Talk:Ha Seung-Jin

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He's actually closer to 7'4 and 320 lbs. (7'2 barefoot.)

Well people are usually measured without shoes.

--So I guess that'd make Shaq really 6'11--71.222.48.14 06:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inappropriate assertion of vandalism by Brianfast made by Downwards

Brianfast wrote the following which was deleted as "vandalism" by Downwards

"Ha returned to the Blazer's summer league and had gained pounds and was out of shape. He didn't play well in the tournament and he got in a fight with Nedzad Sinanovic in training camp."

"Ha played in just 27 games during the 2005-06 NBA season. He scored 44 points during the whole season; making him one of the most unproductive players ever. Ha is widely considered the worst player in the NBA."

Whatever the pros and cons of including this material in this article, this was a good faith edit and not vandalism. It is supported by verifiable sources.
From the Oregonian:

Oregonian article: Sinanovic fight/Ha out of shape (from Google's cache)

Alternate link quoting Oregonian article above

From the NBA's web site:

Ha Seung-Jin's stats

--A. B. 07:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Non-neutral point-of-views are not allowed. Read the rules/guidelines. Cheers. --Downwards 22:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Read the rules/guidelines"

Downwards, thanks for suggesting this—here they are:

from Wikipedia:Vandalism#What vandalism is not (official policy):

"NPOV violations The neutral point of view is a difficult policy for many of us to understand, and even Wikipedia veterans occasionally accidentally introduce material which is non-ideal from an NPOV perspective. Indeed, we are all blinded by our beliefs to a greater or lesser extent. While regrettable, this is not vandalism."

"Mistakes Sometimes, users will insert content into an article that is not necessarily accurate, in the belief that it is. By doing so in good faith, they are trying to contribute to the encyclopedia and improve it. If you believe that there is inaccurate information in an article, ensure that it is, and/or discuss its factuality with the user who has submitted it."

from Wikipedia:Ownership of articles#Control of Wikipedia articles (official policy):

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from Wikipedia:Assume good faith (official policy):

"So, when you can reasonably assume that something is a well-intentioned error, correct it without just reverting it or labeling it as vandalism. When you disagree with someone, remember that they probably believe that they are helping the project. Consider using talk pages to explain yourself, and give others the opportunity to do the same. This can avoid misunderstandings and prevent problems from escalating. Especially, remember to be patient with newcomers, who will be unfamiliar with Wikipedias culture and rules."

As you would say, Cheers. --A. B. 23:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)