User talk:H Padleckas

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[edit] Hydantoin

You wouldn't happen to know where I could find out exactly how it's used in industry, or a manufacturing process used in the 21st century? I still have no idea what chemicals the 1911 Britannica is talking about.Rmky87 04:40, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Phosphoric acids and Phosphates

As I mentioned, please feel free to make any improvements to phosphoric acid that you can! As for your (excellent) generic article, I should point out that the WikiStylePolice would put it at Phosphoric acids and phosphates... Physchim62 17:09, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

It took me a while to get to it, but I have improved the Phosphoric acid article pretty much to my satisfaction. H Padleckas 21:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Triazine pictures

Hi Henry, where (or how) did you find those nice triazine pictures in 1,3,5-Triazine. I had been looking for a better pictures for the article, but failed to find any. What is the trick? (Or did you make them yourself quickly)? Wim van Dorst 08:40, 29 October 2005 (UTC).

I make practically all the diagrams and pictures myself that I upload and use in WikiCommons, Wikipedia, Wikibooks, and any other Wikimedia, including Image:Triazine isomers.PNG. Also, sometimes I do insert into articles images made by other people which have already been uploaded into Wikimedia. I can make all kinds of chemical structures, so if you need something like a chemical structure, let me know. I can try to make it for you. To get an example of the chemical structure and reaction images I've made, look under my User contributions in WikiCommons, where I probably have 70 or more of my images uploaded. I can't make pictures of everything, for example 3D structures are difficult for me, especially if they involve shading of color, but I can try.
I wrote a couple of chapters on Algebra in Wikibooks where I made all the graphs; see Wikibooks:Algebra:Function graphing and Wikibooks:Algebra:Systems of Simultaneous Equations. I wrote a couple of chapters on geometry in Wikibooks where I made the 2D diagrams; see Wikibooks:Triangle and Wikibooks:Right Triangles and Pythagorean Theorem (Those were some of my earliest and more primitive diagrams in Wikimedia. Since then I've gained more experience and my diagrams might come out slightly better now). I also wrote the chapter Wikibooks:Modern Physics:Coulomb's Law and the Electric Field and made the diagram in there. I also made the following math graphs/diagrams in Wikibooks (or WikiCommons): Image:3D Cartesian coordinates.PNG, Wikibooks:Image:Polar coordinates.PNG, Wikibooks:Image:Point in Polar coordinates.PNG, and Wikibooks:Image:Region on complex plane.PNG. I have also taken pictures from other parts of Wikimedia and improved them. I know some tricks to do it and I am quite good at certain aspects of those modications. For example, I've twice taken map images from one language and relabeled the names in another language; see map in Curonian Spit and map of Russia in lt:Vaizdas:Rusijos zemelapis.PNG. I have improved the crystal structure diagram in Sodium chloride and Ionic crystal (look at an enlarged version to see the differences better), one of the diagrams on Mendel's genetics laws (slightly), made small improvements in some chemical reaction images, reversed the colors and made other slight improvements to the original titration image to make the acid titration image used in Hydrochloric acid, improved the diagram in the Ellipse article, improved the Image:Menthols.PNG pic, modified the apple-slicing function and used it to make the inverse fruit function and composite fruit function in Wikibooks:Algebra:Functions, and so on. I made the polymerization reaction mechanism images in Polycarbonate. I can make slight modifications to photo images too, like taking out certain things in a rather even-colored background. Someday, I hope to make chemical reaction images showing polymerization of isoprene, of 1,3-butadiene, and of styrene maybe. If you think I can help you with something, let me know. H Padleckas 20:05, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I've made the polymerization of styrene pic I mentioned above and uploaded it into the Polystyrene article. H Padleckas 13:46, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, Wim.  :-) I started working on the "Polymerization of 1,3-Butadiene" pic.
H Padleckas 05:49, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
I've finished the "Polymerization of 1,3-Butadiene" picture and I expanded the Polybutadiene article from a two-sentence stub as well. The picture is in this article. I have yet to start a "Polymerization of Isoprene" picture and I probably will not for quite a while. However, I'm working offline on improving the diagram in the Condenser (steam turbine) article. When I eventually finish it, I plan to upload it into Wikipedia to replace the existing diagram. It will be the same as the existing diagram with a few modifications. H Padleckas 06:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
I've finished modifying and uploaded the diagram in the Condenser (steam turbine) article. H Padleckas 08:39, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki for Engineering

Engineering Wiki is a wiki entirely dedicated to collecting information about Engineering. The Engineering Wiki is in early development stages at the moment. We invite you to help develop this wiki.

Thanks for the invitation to join this Engineering Wiki. I just signed up as a member with the same User name. H Padleckas 23:24, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lithuanian?

Hi, I spotted you on my watch list and I though I could ask you if you would be interested in receiving some news about topics related to Lithuania? Well, your last name looks like you have your roots somewhere there and since you edited Lithuanian cuisine... (I will be horribly embarassed if I am mistaken) See, I have created this Portal:lithuania and try to contribute to Lithuanian articles and gather as many people as possible for the cause. So, can I count you in? (no commitment required) :) Renata3 04:07, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kaunas

Thanks for your contributions on Lithuania! Besides Laisvės alėja, do you know of any streets or squares of Kaunas that are notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia? I can't find any in the lt:Kategorija:Kaunas but I am sure there is one somewhere. TheGrappler 16:30, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

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The image is ineligible for copyright. I have tagged it as appropriate. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 20:17, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Chess championship/Tournament 1/Double-Elimination/Game 10

You are playing Linuxbeak. I created the page. After so many months, I don't know what to say, but, hey, hope we can wrap this tournament up to start a new one! Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 20:13, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

So... who goes first? Linuxbeak (drop me a line) 18:19, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Are you perchance a Chemical Engineer?

If you are, would you like to list yourself in the Category:Chemical Engineer Wikipedians that I just created? - mbeychok 04:56, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I am a chemical engineer. I will go look at your list now. I have previously joined Engineering Wiki. H Padleckas 06:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jagiello

Would you care to visit at Talk:Wladyslaw_II_Jagiellon_of_Poland#Survey. The simple "Jagiello" - for that there is now a formal listing going on to sign support or opposition. ObRoy 21:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Polish medieval monarchs naming

Hi. I have proposed to move the following monarchs from their current, generally Polish-spelled names (with diacriticals) to the systematical English name, citing my general ground that English should be used, not Polish. Would you share your opinion at Talk:Bolesław I the Brave , Talk:Bolesław II the Bold, Talk:Mieszko II Lambert, Talk:Władysław III Spindleshanks, Talk:Jan I Olbracht and Talk:Kazimierz III the Great. Marrtel 19:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Round-bottom flask

Hi, thanks for starting the round-bottom flask article. Never noticed that such a basic thing as a round-bottom flask was missing from Wikipedia, while articles on retort do exist for some time already. --Dirk Beetstra T C 07:49, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Simple chem distillation.PNG

I award you the distillation apparatus of public usefullness Image:Simple chem distillation.PNG (See edit summary for explanation)! 68.39.174.238 15:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll take that to mean I've done something good. Last time I checked, this distillation diagram was being used in Distillation articles in the English, German, Spanish, French, Polish, Lithuanian, Simple English, Catalan, Czech?, Danish, Finnish, and one Cyrillic alphabet language Wikipedias, as well as the Round-bottom flask article in the English and Chinese? Wikipedias, and a Spanish Wikipedia article for "Distillation apparatus". H Padleckas 17:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lab glassware article

Henry,

Good to hear from you! Yes, that article would make an excellent replacement on the list (I suggested the MP test, so I can likewise remove it). I think we chose to exclude it from the list before because it was just a short list, nothing more - and now it's a very nice article! We need more of these broader articles, which are usually harder to write. Your pictures of the ground glass joints are wonderful! Would you mind if I rewrite the sections on cleaning solutions, as several of these methods were banned in all the colleges I've been to. I don't mind us indicating that such things have been common practice, but I don't want to see people trying such things at home! I may try to add a little material and few refs to the article - did you use Vogel or some other source?

Also, I'd like to see the Chem folks have a go at another FAC, and we came up with Antoine Lavoisier - would you be able to help with that? Cheers, Walkerma 16:25, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for complimenting my work on this article. Go ahead and modify the sections on cleaning solutions and add more material and references as you see fit. Someone else wrote those cleaning sections and judging from subtle grammatical style, that person may have been from a foreign country (I should check I suppose), who is not as familiar with local rules. I wrote practically all the lab glassware sections I added from practical exposure or experience and I only looked up a couple details on the net. I did not use Vogel as a source (to my knowledge anyway; is it a book?). Someday, I was thinking of mentioning a few words about clamps, etc. to hold assembled glass set-ups in use (in the "Use" section), and maybe also mention something about glass vacuum manifolds (cold traps, vacuum "distillations", stopcocks, etc.) towards the end of the article. The melting point test discussion can be included under the Melting point article, maybe. H Padleckas 19:18, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
A day or two ago, I added Organic Chemistry, Chemical engineering, and Polymers as interests of mine in the participant list in Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals#Participants.
I have degrees in chemistry and chemical engineering. Speaking of broader articles which you said we need more of and chemical engineering, within the past week, I wrote a major expansion of the article "Valve", from a stubby article with a list of valves to a much more developed article, in which I wrote the sections from "Application" to "Other considerations", inclusive. Earlier this spring/summer, I expanded the not as broad article "Shell and tube heat exchanger" adding 3 diagrams. Also, several days ago, I wrote the rather "narrow subject" article "Plug valve" and offline I am expanding "Check valve" and starting to write a new article "Metering pump". I already inserted a paragraph on glass stopcocks in "Stopcock" (related to lab glassware). Metering pumps are often very similar to high pressure chromatography pumps. It would take a lot of work for me to make any diagrams for these articles.
Sometime between 5 to 10 years ago, I read many of the writings of Antoine Lavoisier.
I could see that in his day he was a walking chemistry encyclopedia. I'm afraid it's been so long that I would probably be of little use in making contributions to his article. I might review the article though some time anyway. H Padleckas 01:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Vogel a British book, it is to the lab what Jerry March is to the lecture hall - take a look at the Amazon entry. My background is pure chemistry, but I worked for 12 years in the fine chemicals industry, so some of your topics seem familiar! In fact I've even taught a class a couple of times on chemical manufacturing, and you might have enjoyed this old lecture of mine, that shows you the type of thing I used to do. I'll try to work on the glassware article this weekend, but Version 0.5 keeps me very busy these days! Cheers, Walkerma 03:18, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello. I created a baby stub for the article benzethonium chloride.

Free free to jump into the contributions with this benzethonium chloride stub. Good Luck. BenzethoniumChloride 06:45, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Phosphorus chlorides

Hi Henry, you might want to give your comments on this proposal. Hope you're doing well! Walkerma 04:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re your new Continuous distillation article stub

See my slight changes in the article and, most of all, see my comments on the article's talk page. I think your sketch is excellent. If you wish, I will try to make the changes I suggested but I will wait until you okay them ... because you might want to do them yourself. I also changed the stub to a more appropriate one. - mbeychok 21:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] See my response to you at Talk:Continuous distillation

I agree with your latest comments (including your thought about not including a feed heater). - mbeychok 18:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I have responded to your comments/queries on my talk page

Thanks for contacting me and I have responded, on my talk page, to your comments and queries there. Regards, - mbeychok 02:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I am really impressed by the gallery of your images!! You have quite a talent for that sort of drawing. I don't want to push my luck, but it would be really useful in some of the distillation articles to have an image of a kettle-type reboiler with an overflow weir at the end for the exit product liquid and a vapor outlet for the reboiled vapor returned to the distillation column ... as well as the liquid inlet from the bottom of the distillation column ... with the overall image being about half the size of your shell and tube exchanger images. You need not show the instrument connections or liquid level connections. If I am asking too much, just say so ... I won't be offended. - mbeychok 04:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
It will be a bit before I can get to this. H Padleckas 16:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
No problem, I can wait. When you do get to it, Perry's Chemical Engineers' Handbook has some good drawings of a kettle reboiler: (1) Sketch K in Figure 11-1 on page 11-4 and (2)the bottom drawing on page 11-7. The instrument connections and the liquid level nozzles are'nt really needed ... just steam inlet, steam outlet, tower bottoms liquid inlet, liquid product outlet, and vapor return to the tower. Once again, thanks. - mbeychok 16:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What drawing program do you use?

What drawing program do you use to make your sketches? Is it Microsoft's Paint porgram? Or what? Thanks in advance, - mbeychok 06:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Buchner flask

Hi!

I was editing this article, when I got an edit conflict warning and realized you were still working on it. I intended to edit it to move the pictures all to the right because the current placement causes the references section to be indented. Also, I intended to shrink the images because both images are not complicated, and making them too big will cause them to overshadow the text.

Basically, I intended to add these two lines at the top of the page:

[[Image:Buchner Flask.PNG|thumb|140px|right|Cross section of a Büchner flask]] [[Image:Embudo Büchner.jpeg|thumb|140px|right|A porcelain Büchner funnel connected to a flask with an elastomer adapter. The sidearm of the flask is connected to a [[vacuum]]. Before use, the flask should be clamped to prevent tipping.]]

While you're tweaking the page, maybe you can consider my suggestions? -- Rifleman 82 18:47, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead and fix it. I wanted the hose barb to be visible. H Padleckas 18:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] See the Barnstar awarded you on your User page

Henry, you richly deserve the Barnstar. If you would rather put it on this Talk page, please feel free to do so. Or perhaps on both pages? Regards, - mbeychok 06:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kettle Reboiler and Tray Distillation Tower

I have uploaded the revised Image:Kettle reboiler.PNG mini-pic into WikiCommons and inserted it into Reboiler and added a little more explanation. Your Image:Kettle Reboiler.png remains so far so it can be seen in your image gallery. I have also uploaded Image:Tray Distillation Tower.PNG and inserted it into Fractionating column. You can insert it into any article you see fit. H Padleckas 08:02, 5 November 2006 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mbeychok"

Thanks, Henry, for your usual excellent work in improving my kettle reboiler drawing. I have also inserted your Image:Tray Distillation Tower.PNG into the Continuous distillation article, which I think is now rounding into quite a good article. mbeychok 21:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notification of response to your postings on my talk page

Henry, see my responses that I just posted on my talk page. mbeychok 16:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] See my comment on your draft User:H Padleckas/Temp (Vapor-Liquid Equilibrium)

Just want to let you know that I left a brief comment on the Discussion page of your draft User:H Padleckas/Temp (Vapor-Liquid Equilibrium). Regards, mbeychok 04:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] unblock

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Your block expired before your request was dealt with. Martinp23 01:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Response to your latest comment on User talk:mbeychok

Henry, see my response and thanks on my Talk page. mbeychok 00:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Continuous distillation

The last couple of days some strong words have fallen between some chemists and some chemical engineers. As such, nothing that was related to you. The whole thing was frustration build up, which, from my point of view, was that articles were written (or rewritten) in a style which was too difficult for many people to understand (for some, IMHO, the level substantially increased, resulting in chemical engineering subjects being incomprehensible for even chemists). This is still continued in an off-wikipedia discussion, but now what I wanted to ask you. You have been drawing some brilliant pictures for chemical and chemical engineering articles, one of those on the talk page of distillation. I originally requested that picture, for the use in a simple explanation of continuous distillation, but at that point the discussion already got heated, and I decided to back off, and go back to my [mediawiki hacking], and work on chemicals (and do real-life chemistry). I am sorry, I never thanked you for that picture, it is indeed very close to what I wanted to see (and I realise, I can probably not explain what I want as a next step), so, thanks for that picture! The abovementioned discussion has led, that I did a major, total rewrite on continuous distillation (mainly to prove a point: even difficult subjects can be written in a simple way), I have totally re-sorted the article, moved things around, reinstated old parts, and have it now in a level where I think it is a) readable for a wider public (high-school student might be able to get to at least 50% of it, chemists should be able to grasp all but the very last section) and b) still contains all the information that was in the original document. The article can be found in my sandbox. My real question (well, actually, two) to you are: can you check the article, and have a look if it is indeed still consistent and factual correct (I start low, and try to build up the level slowly, I know that results in necessary info to be omitted in the early stages), and b) have a thorough look at image 2, and the accompanying description. The picture is as such sufficient, but if you can improve the picture, with the description in mind, making it more clear that this is a 'laboratory setup being run continuously' that would be great. Hope to hear from you soon, and please, don't be afraid to tell me the rewrite is completely rubbish (I am, in fact, just a chemist), though I hope that you can then also tell me where I go wrong. Also feel free to improve text whereever you can. Cheers! --Dirk Beetstra T C 23:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

(copied here from user talk:beetstra, I think we can keep the discussion in one place) - Thank you for requesting my review/consultation on the Continuous distillation article and for complimenting my drawings. Just in case you did not know, I am both a chemist and a chemical engineer. I have BS and MS degrees in both. I have taken a look at your sandbox rewrite of the Continuous distillation article. I understand your point about including some explanation for a non-technical reader. I would like to edit it to improve the explanations using appropriate chemical engineering terminology, but adding short explanations for the non-technical person where practical. We also have different styles about how to explain things. I think if I spend some time editing this sandbox version, we can reach a version acceptable to most of us. Unfortunately, I'm very busy these days with other things and it will likely take me a while to get to it. I hope you are willing to wait a bit. After all, there are no deadlines in Wikipedia. H Padleckas 04:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome. I did know you were both a chemics and a chemical engineer; I see you work on quite some articles in both areas, and therefore, it is not a coincidence that I asked you, especially since you were also involved in drawing the pictures earlier on when the discussion started. My background is chemical, but I have done a 'polytechnic' and a university in the Netherlands which were both 'mixed'. This results in that the first two years of the education on each had a great deal of general chemistry, and we 'chemists' had to study (albeit at that point probably simple) chemical engineering subjects. And I believe, that has done good for my understanding of chemical subjects, understanding scale-up problems when you go from 100 mg to 10 g (I can understand the effect of going another 2 orders of magnitude up, let alone going 5-10 orders of magnitude up). But I am wandering of the path ..
I understand there are differences in ways of explaining, and as such that is OK. I just think that on the borderline of chemistry and chemical engineering (or on whichever borderline), the article should be written from only one point of view. There was a bit of a quarrel earlier on with distillation, where the first things on continuous vs. batch started, and lately it was theoretical plate, where everything went wrong, and some frustrations were expressed. Hence, I am against splitting those articles into two seperate articles (e.g. 'laboratory continuous distillation' and 'industrial continuous distillation'), the principle of the two is the same, and with the current trend of minituralisation the continuous distillation may come into the lab, with very small bubble cap columns. So I am glad to see we have now cooperation between the two fields on that subject, and I hope that continues on other ones as well.
I suggested on that talk page now that we could consider removing the simple, binary system again, that section is a bit difficult at the moment, and the article does not really get that much more difficult when removing the section. It now flows naturally into the more specific parts. But I'd rather wait until you have a go on that section, see if you can rephrase it into something better (it would be nice if batch distillation would get a similar section, with a similar picture, but maybe it does not have to come up in either of them). I can fully understand you are busy, and indeed, there hardly are deadlines on Wikipedia (except when fighting spam and vandalism .. then the only time to act is now). Hope to see you soon! Cheers! --Dirk Beetstra T C 12:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
  • * Hi HP!

I noticed on Dirk Beetstra's page,that you intend to do some work on Continuous Distillation. My background is a bit similar to yours, but I am retired and have a bit more time on my hands. So far I have only poked my fingers into the Organic chemistry page, which still requires some work.

However, Wiki has highlighted Distillation as being a subject of actuality, a subject in which I am also intersted, and on reading the article on distillation I noticed that, though the statements seem accurate enough the artcle is too extensive: it should really be a portal, with lots of things removed elsewhere and just being referred to it on the Distillation page. Since my reading the article this might have been done to an extent, I don't know.

I agree with Dirk's view that the Continuous distillation article also needs a major overhaul, and as you do seem very busy, I shall have a bash at it in the near future. It might make your job a bit easier when you'll find the time (or might make it more difficult) We'll see. All the best LouisBB 14:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image for a 3-necked continuous distillationflask for Beetstra

Hi, Henry, we haven't communicated in a fee days. I hope all is well with you. In regard to that 3-necked flask for Beetstra to use somehow to explain continuous distillation is, in my opinion, probably useless. It would be an "imaginary" piece of labware because there is probably no such device in existence. I am sure that you realize that. In any event, the draft that Beetsra and I collaborated on has now been moved into the main namespace ... and there are new problems to worry about.

I finished the merged Hydrodesulfurizer article and moved it into the main namespace as well. Sometimes it seems as if there is a never-ending stream of new articles that are needed. I think that I will next get started on a very schematic flow diagram of an entire modern-day refinery with even less detail than the flow diagram I made of a hydrodesulfurizer ... otherwise it will never fit on a Wikipedia page. Best wishes for the upcoming holiday season! - mbeychok 01:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)