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Nobody mentioned the Ultimate Gwen's death...

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[edit] Why is it controversial?

the into says her death was controversial among fans. was it really? i've had this discussion with fans who were reading at the time of her death and thats not the impression i got. sins past was far more controversial. who decided her death should have this subjective reference to it in the opening paragraph?— ChocolateRoses talk

[edit] Ultimate Carnage

Should we post Ultimate Gwen transforming into Carnage? I haven't been able to find any images of that since the Clone Saga began. 70.58.211.220 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.101.86.69 (talk • contribs) 01:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Spider-Man Loves Mary-Jane

Shouldn't someone post more content on Gwen's appearence in "Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane"? I mean, like a summary or something. UnDeRsCoRe 01:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

She's only just shown up. She appeared on the last page three issues ago, then the next two issues were flashback. We'll know more in a month or so. - HKMARKS 01:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I expanded it a while ago. UnDeRsCoRe 20:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why Conway killed off Gwen

Until now, it has been not analysed why Gerry Conway killed off GS in the first place. I just reread my Essential Spider-Man issues and brought in my analysis. I tried to stay factual, but is of course my POV, so feel free to comment.

  • Galvanisation: I think this is self-explanatory. Her death was a 11 on the Richter scale.
  • Blandness: after MJ, Gwen became typecast as the sweet and cute girl. It is boring to write these characters!
  • Character downgrade: the Gwen from issue 31 was spunky, the one of issue 121 a spineless shadow of herself.
  • Saturation: my POV loaded opinion is that Gwen had simply outlived her potential. Every angle of possible conflict had been played.
  • Plot reasons: a conclusion of "saturation". Peter and Gwen were written as being a perfect couple. But a married Peter Parker? Both were hardly twens. In comics, only old people are married.
  • Personal preferences: Conway hates Gwen, it is a well-known fact. Google it up.

Feel free to comment and improve. Onomatopoeia 02:18, 19 December 2005 (UTC) [amended, see below]

I'll take a look at it later. I do think that most of the section is subjective and should be deleted, unless you can provide examples of those opinions held by the creators or a notable section of the fanbase. --Chancemichaels 19:03, 30 March 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels
OK, added some tangible info Onomatopoeia 21:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] House of M

I follow DC more closely than Marvel, so I wanted to get some input on this entry before editing. Do the events of House of M deserve mention here? Specifically, the revelation (further expanded in Son of M #1) that Peter Parker's perfect life included being married to Gwen, that she was the love of his life? Or is that an issue already clear enough from the regular series? Since HoM was such a large event, I thought some mention might be appropriate. ZZ 05:20, 5 February 2006 (UTC) Indeed. In Son of M#1, Peter had confessed to himself that during the House of M universe, he married Gwen, the woman he wanted.

Mention of House of M is appropriate and significantly impacted the 666 Universe (as seen in the Son of M series that followed it, and specifically Spider-Man's actions towards Quicksilver). Netkinetic 01:34, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gwen Stacy in Spider-Man 3

Is there a source for the information on her role in the upcoming film? Otherwise it should be removed until actual facts from the movie are released.

"She meets Peter Parker between classes, and shows interest in him. Later on, Eddie Brock shows interest in her, and they even establish some dates, which are interrupted by Parker/Spiderman. At the same time, Parker's relationship with Mary Jane is shaky, as she considers a job out of town. When the Symbiote takes hold of Parker, causing rash behavior, Parker meets with Stacy. Mary Jane notices them together, and leaves the town, leaving a letter with Aunt May. Brock also notices them, and begins to grow hate towards Parker, leading eventually to his development as Venom when fused with the symbiote."

I'm deleting it, per your suggestion. If true, it needs a source. And really should have a spoiler warning all its own. But since no source is offered, it must be considered either rumor or personal speculation and neither is worthy of inclusion. --Chancemichaels 12:17, 16 April 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels

[edit] Was Gwen Stacy dead before she fell off the bridge

Gwen was Unconscious before she was knocked off the bridge but does that mean the Green Goblin Killed her before he took her to the Bridge? what do you think? User:Dayle14 18.04, 11 May 2006

Its a theory but nothing concrete to back it up.--CyberGhostface 16:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

You're right but I am a bit supicous I mean she never woke up once before she was knocked off from the bridge Dayle14 18.08, 11 May did gwen suffer a heart attack when she was falling because what does it mean that she was killed by the shock of the fall Dayle14

The visual evidence of the panels show that she could be either unconscious or dead. She is not showing any conscious movements, no obvious injuries, however she is still limp and no signs of rigor mortis. So it is a premature conclusion that she was already dead and not just unconscious. However it would fit The Goblins evil humor to taunt and torture Spidey by saying she was already dead or have him rescue a corpse after the fact. but why kill her if by keeping her alive, he could punish and hurt Spidey more by rape and torturing her. regardless if anyone buys into the Gwens children theory. Gwen has never shown any sign of heart trouble, but she has fainted before. and freefall does not kill, especially an unconscious person, it is the sudden stop that does it. Tphile 07:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sins Past and POV

Please do not add POV statements to the article. These include saying its "extremely" controversial, or adding saying that the Mad Goblin article "attempts to" fit Sins Past into the mythos rather than simply fitting it. It will be reverted. Thank you.--CyberGhostface 20:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

It IS highly controversial and the article ATTEMPTS to fit it in (without conclusive success)!!!!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.111.167.130 (talk • contribs).
No...those are only your opinions. And if you post your narrow-minded opinions, they will be reverted. Furthermore, your talk page shows you have a history of vandalism.--CyberGhostface 19:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Check out any Spider-Man message board and tell me it's an "opinion". "Highly controiversial" is an apt adjective. Seems to me that you're trying to soft-peddle the controversy.)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.111.167.130 (talk • contribs).
Then post your ramblings on the messageboards and leave Wikipedia alone. POV is not allowed. Furthermore, your history of vandalism destroys any credibility you may have had.--CyberGhostface 21:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


Definitions of highly on the Web:

to a high degree or extent; favorably or with much respect; "highly successful"; "He spoke highly of her"; "does not think highly of his writing"; "extremely interesting"

There has been extensive debate regarding this story. Therefore, the story is highly controversial.

The only vandal here is you.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.111.167.130 (talk • contribs).

The only vandal here is me? Have you checked your talk page? How does deleting your POV saturated statements compare with you vandalizing the Ipod page?--CyberGhostface 21:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

IPOD?!?! I've never even been to the Ipod page. I don't own an Ipod, nor am I interested in Ipods. Perhaps someone else from this IP address (a public library which has multiple internet stations) did the deed, but it was NOT I!

Maybe you should register an account then so there won't be any confusion.--CyberGhostface 22:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


Wasn't Harry was on LSD in issues 97 - 99 of Amazing Spider-man as well...? .--Humorbot5 23:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes (#96-98), but it was discovered and actually snapped Norman out of his Goblin-mode, all before Gwen came home. The next issue had nothing to do with Harry and #100 kicked off the Six Arms Saga. MJ's flashback scene specifically references (clothing, location, specific shots etc.) a scene at the beginning of #121. -HKMarks 02:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Age of Apocalypse

Is there any information on the Age of Apocalypse version of Gwen? HKMARKS 16:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Beyond a paragraph that I included,not much. - R.G. 18:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] When Gwen appeared

There are two different listings, one in the first paragraph and one in the beginning of the Comic Books section. They list it has being The Amazing Spider-Man #35 and The Amazing Spider-Man #31 respectively, though both have the same month. Can this be verified properly?--Mike 08:49, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Also in question is when she died, as it's listed as comic books 122 and 121.--Mike 08:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
She first appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #31. She died in #121. The Green Goblin died in #122, and that was the second part of a two-part story. - HKMARKS 12:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

HelenKMarks (talk • contribs • count) has proposed the merger of this article into The Night Gwen Stacy Died. Discuss.

[edit] External Links re. Sins Past

Please retain the links to "Deflowering Gwen", "Sins Past and the Cult of Gwen", and "Great Power, Greater Irresponsibility", as they are well-written sources of information and describe different sides of the controversy over "Sins Past" in an intelligent fashion. So these links get deleted, but not the mock-Gwen-autopsy page?!?!

The fact is, Sins Past IS controversial, and a Gwen STacy page NEEDS links to detailed information and debates about it.


Fan sites really don't need to be here. I've read a couple of the ones you've pointed to and they make a lot of assumptions, some of which are erroneous or very biased. But--
I'd like to add a short explanation of the reasons why it was controversial. People thought:
  • it was a retcon that didn't seem to fit into the established timeline (she wasn't in France that long)
  • it was unlikely that it would have gone unmentioned for years (by either MJ or Gwen's uncle and cousins, or hell, even her clone)
  • it seemed out of character for Gwen (a "nice girl" who was in love with Peter)
  • people felt it aged Peter anyway, since Gwen was the same age as him and suddenly had adult children.
Also Straczynski's defence, if I can find the source where I read it:
  • it gave Gwen depth, as she had previously been a fairly one-dimensional character whom people tended to consider sacred.
But, this could easily be very POV, or construed that way. This might have been even more controversial than killing her... but I don't know, put it in or leave it out? -- HKMARKS 22:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC), HKMARKS 04:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

So, again, a link to the mock-autopsy examining the physics of Gwen's death in detail and a link to the "Night Gwen Stacy Died" FAN-MADE FILM stay, but links to essays detailing both sides of the Sins Past debate are out?!?!? That makes no sense. The whole point of the external links is to provide links to more information for people who want to expand their knowledge beyond the Wikipedia article. And since Sins Past is highly controversial, people will want more information about it when they read about it here, especially since Gwen will be prominent in Spider-Man 3, and her entry here will doubtless get more attention.

I added a short analysis of some key points that Sins Past contradicted in ASM #89-122. Tried to keep my biases out of it-- but I think it's important if we're going to say "controversial" to say why. --HKMARKS 03:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gwendolyne vs. Gwendolyn

This page had the name Gwendolyne for a long time, but I'm 99% sure it's Gwendolyn. Spiderfan.org listed it as Gwendolyne, and I have a strong suspicion people a lot of people just ripped it from there, as that seems to be the more popular search result on the 'net. ASM #62 and the Marvel Encyclopedia (v.4, Spider-Man) both list it as Gwendolyn, though (that's the only issue I have on hand with her full name... my Essentials are packed away somewhere). So, I changed it. - HKMARKS 19:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

... and #90 gives her name as Gwendolyne. Don't you love it when canon contradicts itself? --HKMARKS 03:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


The official and correct spelling is "Gwendolyne Stacy", not "Gwendolyn Stacey".—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.111.167.130 (talk • contribs).

But what makes it official or correct if the comics say both and the handbook says Gwendolyn? I'm going to add a note on it to the page. Neither seems to be more correct than the other. Stan Lee was notoriously bad with names. -HKMARKS 20:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


The officially accepted spelling is "Gwendolyne Stacy". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.111.167.130 (talk • contribs).

Like I said, according to whom? -HKMARKS 18:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Issues with Superherobox/supersupportingbox

There are some problems with the SHB's full name/alter ego fields right now due to maintenance on them. Be careful about messing with the name fields. ---HKMarksCANDY IS A FOOD GROUPTALK♦CONTRIBS 00:20, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deadpool

Is Deadpool's Gwen clone really notable? It was a small appearance in a satirical one-shot that has not been referenced since. It does not deserve a section at all. --DrBat 13:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe it's too notable (it wasn't even the real Gwen). But, still...UnDeRsCoRe 14:37, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

At the most, a one-sentence reference could be made to the 'Gwen Stacy's clone' section. --DrBat 15:02, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Another source of confusion

In the prose novel Goblin's Revenge by Dean Wesley Smith, the Chameleon posing as the Green Goblin also kidnaps MJ Watson and takes her to the top of the Brooklyn Bridge.

12:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)~Enda80

What's confusing about that? ...and what are you talking about? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
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