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This article was nominated for deletion on 19 May 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

Contents 1 Copyright on Transcript? 2 No date? 3 Why delete? 4 Non-notable websites 5 Did he get the job? 6 Goma Wikipedia article mentioned on CNN 7 French accent not racist 8 Year of birth 9 Latest rumour 10 Is article correct? 11 French accent? 12 YouTube Links 13 User:Dmcdevit's removal of primary source reference

[edit] Copyright on Transcript?

I just posted a transcript of the interview lifted from the Daily Mail site, but I'm not 100% sure it is not copyrighted. After all, the Daily Mail didn't write the text, though they did sort of type it out. If this is a possible CopyVio, someone please do their own transcription of the video, which will be remarkably similar to the Daily Mail's but unquestionably OK for Wikipedia. BeteNoir 19:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

• I'm not sure a transcript is appropriate here. The better place for that sort of thing may be Wikisource. -- MisterHand 19:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
• If you listened to the [|interview] available at BBC News, you could transcribe it yourself - does that violate copyright? Personally, I think a transcript should remain in the article. Asides being hillarious, it is what happened.
• It's not the Daily Mail's interlectual property... Alexbuirds 20:02, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
• I added "You got an interview that's all." because that's what he said. Hugo be 11:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
• Is the entire article a copyright vio or just the transcription? Amnewsboy 02:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
  • The only thing in question is the transcription. -- MisterHand 13:42, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No date?

Possible for anyone to add a date of when the original interview aired? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.4.35.25 (talk • contribs).

• Well, I just checked several stories and none of them listed the date of the actual interview. I'm sure it's out there somewhere, and it should be in the article. -- MisterHand 17:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I would speculate that it would be either the day of the Apple v. Apple verdict (last Wednesday) or the day after. Amnewsboy 14:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Good news, the date's been added by someone now. --Tim 17:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why delete?

I don't understand, what's the purpose in deleting such an article ? it's a great and funny...

Keep: It may well be great and funny, but that doesn't make it encyclopedic or notable, and I can understand it being a candidate for deletion. However, I think that a major mistake by a major broadcaster is important to record. There may be an article someone can suggest we should roll it into, but for now I say keep it. Ringbark 20:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for your comments. The best place to discuss the proposal to delete is here: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Guy_Goma -- MisterHand 22:40, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep - its too funny to go

[edit] Non-notable websites

The following websites have been removed per Wikipedia is not a web directory as non-notable:

• guygoma.net -- no Alexa ranking
• guygoma.com -- Alexa traffic rank of 3,497,811 -- MisterHand 12:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Oppose deletion of these websites. Nobody knows what Alexa means anyway, except computer experts. In any case, these sites just went up a day or two ago, didn't you know? Badagnani 12:34, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Please read the external link guidelines WP:EL. Wikipedia is not a web directory, and it is not the place for you to advertise blogs and/or fansites. -- MisterHand 13:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Guy Goma.com claims to be official, and then says if you're Guy Goma please get in touch! In no way is it an authorative website and in no way should it adorn an encyclopedia article. We'd do just as well to link to a Google/Google News search and be done with all sites. --kingboyk 13:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm taking this off my watchlist as I'm not willing to edit war over something so trivial, and Badagnani seems quite adamant. However, the fact remains that these are cashin sites (a person becomes famous, net entrepreneurs rush to register his name dot com at 5 bucks a throw - happens all the time), and imho they are not authorative or enyclopedic. --kingboyk 10:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

It's unfortunate that we lost a good editor on this article over this, and I hope we can work things out soon. -- MisterHand 13:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment: neither pass Wikipedia:External links. SaltyWater 10:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree, and I don't think the online petition passes either. I've invited the editor who added them back to the article, so hopefully we can work this out to everybody's satisfaction. -- MisterHand 13:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Read the "top story" on the Guy Goma site and tell me that this type of news is not valuable. Guy Goma appears to be communicating through this site now. Badagnani 19:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

While this issue appears to have been resolved a while back, I wonder if some people here may be confused about the EL policy. The EL policy makes it clear that EL's about a person should link to an official site, if one exists. Therefore, it doesn't matter how notable or not-notable the site is, if it's an official site it should be linked --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nil Einne (talk • contribs).

[edit] Did he get the job?

Does any one know if he got the job as data support cleanser at the BBC?--Muchosucko 13:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Check the news. Last I heard he was too busy to take the job, and then the Immigration service have reportedly said he is an illegal immigrant. --kingboyk 13:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

No he didn't get the job- check your local news for latest information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.108.202.241 (talk • contribs).

It's also mentioned in the article now. -- MisterHand 20:31, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Goma Wikipedia article mentioned on CNN

CNN has just reported that Guy Goma has his own Wikipedia entry --Ancheta Wis 21:32, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Holy kamoly -- good job, people. As with many Wikipedia articles, I think our entry is the finest and most comprehensive English-language article anywhere on the Internet about this subject. Was this on CNN TV or website?Badagnani 21:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Excellent! And to think that this article was put up for AFD shortly after creation! -- MisterHand 12:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

It's getting interesting: GuyGoma.com says he's going to report on the World Cup for Zoo magazine. Not much to go on yet, though. Badagnani 12:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] French accent not racist

Don't understand why it's racist to say that a man has a thick, French accent. He had a thick, French accent. If he was from Scotland, he probably would have had a Scottish accent! Davidcohen75 04:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with this assessment. It was yet another thing that made viewers (as well as the host of the program, and probably the entire crew) curious as to why this supposedly British Internet expert was speaking in this foreign accent. Badagnani 05:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Year of birth

Do we or do we not know his year of birth? The article says born in 1969 right in the opening. Either he should be in the category 1969 births or that little fact should be taken out.--Thomas.macmillan 01:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Please read it again. It says born "c. 1969." This is common when we know someone's age from a media account, but not the exact birthdate. It obviously should not be taken out because it's as specific as we can get, but it should not be misrepresented as the actual birthdate unless we have that. Badagnani 02:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Latest rumour

I don't want to edit the mainpage as I don't feel comfortable with it yet, but I'd love to see the latest rumour about the potential film about him being added. Edit: Sorry, I saw it was added, however it should've been placed under the "aftermath" in my opinion.

[edit] Is article correct?

The info I've seen including I believe from Guy Goma himself suggests wasn't in fact quite sure what was going on even after being introduced and indeed thought it may have been a joke. While he was clearly very shocked when introduced, his answer to the first question suggests he still thought it was part of a job interview since it appears he is answering as to whether he is shocked with what is happening to him rather then about the verdict... Yet the article appears to be suggesting he realised what was going on and that he was on live TV Nil Einne 20:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] French accent?

I assume he speaks French as one of or his main native languages and I don't know much about French accents or most African accents. But is his accent really most accurately described as a French one? Or would it be more accurately described as a Congonese (is that the right word?) accent? Nil Einne 20:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] YouTube Links

Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in the United States (Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry). Also, linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work sheds a bad light on us. - WP:C#Linking_to_copyrighted_works

Sites which fail to provide licensing information or to respond to requests for licensing information should not be used. There are currently a large number of links to YouTube [1] and similar sites in violation of this principle. If a linked clip has no licensing information it should be removed or reverted. (Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in the United States.) - WP:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided

I'll be reverting those YouTube links, again, based on the above principles. Feel free to contact me on my talk page if you have any further objection. ---J.S (t|c) 19:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I removed the YouTube link -again- for the above reasons. ---J.S (t|c) 16:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Interesting, but then where was the transcript sourced from. Firstly, I believe it's not the complete one because I'm sure I heard "poor people" in his speech. Surely then using a reference to his actual video would be fair use in this case. After all the video is the issue on which he became famous. So linking it as a fair use reference should be fine i think. Idleguy 18:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't even try arguing with these people. You will never win, even if your reasoning and logic is entirely sound. Badagnani 18:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I have watched the video again and he doesn't say "poor people." Where in the text did you think he said that? Badagnani 18:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

First of all Badagnani, your response is highly insulting. Comment on content, not the contributor.

The publisher, YouTube, did not publish the clip within the guidelines of Fair Use. Wikipedia linking to it does not suddenly bring YouTube into copyright compliance. ---J.S (t|c) 19:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Badagani, he said "poor people" after "development". I quote him "development and poor people..." In the link i gave it is at around 49 - 55 seconds. I think it should be cited as fair use given the extraordinary nature of this article and to avoid such confusions. let people hear it for themselves. Idleguy 19:23, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

It's Badagnani. I'll listen again. In regard to the video, when an outlet has a problem with a link to their content they will issue a cease and desist order first off, which I haven't heard about in this case; the video has been up on YouTube for months. Badagnani 19:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Policy dosn't say "link to copyvio matterial only untill we get a cease and desist notice." ---J.S (t|c) 19:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you're right: it does sound like he says "poor people," not "inform people." It's clearly a "p," not an "f." But the word before it is confusing. It sounds like "better for the development, and too-ing poor people what they want." Maybe he's saying "doing"? Badagnani 19:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The BBC news article has the video, could it not just be noted somewhere (maybe in the link text?) that you can view a copy of the clip at the BBC website? I think we all agree that people should be able to view it, and the BBC have a copy of it available to view on their website, so it would seem natural to me that their site be promoted as the place to view it? Icemotoboy 00:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, I don't believe these people will let you do that. I know, it doesn't make any logical sense since it is the primary source. As far as I know, the BBC hasn't made a cease and desist request to YouTube. Badagnani 00:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to link to the official BBC clip. Badagnani, I'm getting tired of your tone. ---J.S (t|c) 06:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Dmcdevit's removal of primary source reference

User:Dmcdevit's removal of a reference to the primary source in which Goma speaks about his first BBC interview and replacement of this by a "fact" tag is illogical. The quote being referenced is "Twenty minutes after the interview, Goma was given his job interview, which lasted ten minutes," and the mention of the source removed is THE source for this information. Please correct this immediately! Badagnani 21:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I have edited out the copyright infringement that you chose to add once more here. We cannot link to this source because it is a clear copyright infringement. The link you repeatedly added (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG9hZ66TA4E) goes to a recording of a TV show, which owns the copyright to the clip. This is non-negotiable policy, and a blockable offense. The quality, content, and usefulness of the media is not at issue, but Wikipedia cannot knowingly link to ciopyright infringements. Dmcdevit·t 21:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Altho it's not the prefered method... you can refrence the TV interview without actualy linking to a copy of it. I'd use a format like this:

"Interview with Guy Goma and blah blah," Date, [[TV Shows name]], [[Stations/network name]].

---J.S (t|c) 07:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear J. Smith, thank you for rethinking your original removal of the proper citation and substitution of "fact" tag. Yes, please do what you specify above. Badagnani 22:17, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I haven't re-thought the removal of the YouTube link and the original citation was not proper. I don't have the information to fill out the citation, so I am unable. If you have the information, feel free to add a citation. ---J.S (t|c) 23:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I said nothing in my post above about a link. I simply said that you removed a proper citation and substituted a "fact" tag. That was improper and I am glad you have reconsidered this. In fact, my last edit had no link, but simply a description of the program from which the information was quoted. Thus, the onus really is on you to replace this information, as per my last edit which had the information about the program, but no link. Thank you; it will probably take only a few minutes away from your other editing projects, and is much superior to simply deleting a proper citation, then adding a "fact" tag (no good). Badagnani 23:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

<ref>Guy Goma interview on GMTV, which may be found on the [http://www.youtube.com/ YouTube] website.</ref>

1. That is NOT a proper citation. 2. That looks like a link to YouTube to me 3. I didn't remove it. 4. Stop insulting the other editors here. ---J.S (t|c) 23:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

No insult intended, but the removal of a citation and replacement with a "fact" tag, then a reply saying that one is too busy with other editing projects to remove the "fact" tag and implement the proper citation, is not proper. Badagnani 23:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

"I don't have the information to fill out the citation, so I am unable." ← My Words.

I haven't said I was too busy, I've said I don't have the information. Your welcome to fill out the citation, but please use an acceptable citation format and a proper source. ---J.S (t|c) 23:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

The new citation looks fine. I removed the HTML comment however. ---J.S (t|c) 23:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)