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[edit] A form of Gun Fu/ Gun Kata

Would the game GunZ use any of these?

No. Closest you'll get is a gun in each hand. Think more Akimbo than Gun Kata. TerminusEst13 20:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page revision...

Many of these new page edits are screwing up the page. Pointless things are added in, and are full of grammar and spelling mistakes. Remember, spell/grammar check is your friend - and check your facts before submitting.--Kawufix

I revised the main/first section of the article. I don't feel like it's great but it's definitely better than what there was previously - Ikasu
"Dagger Style - Dagger Hat (With dagger)(JUMP > DASH> STAB> DASH> STAB> repeat) This Technique was first created by Cytose in a death match. When someone is standing still or walking, jump and dash just as you get to them. This will launch you above them and you can continually stab their head like a wasp. It takes some skill luck and more skill. When directly above someone like this its hard for them to shoot you, but you can stab them till they die. Staying in the air dashing and stabing above them is key for this to work. If you have any tips, or complaints let me know. Check for me on server 2 in gunz whisper Cytose, thats me. Have fun." <- which is what I'm talking about. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia article... --Kawufix
There is no Ghost Style or Evasive Style, or Hybrid Style if you're about to put that in. They are all "branches" of K-Style - K-Style by itself is all of those styles together. So, don't put any of those in, please. Dagger Style does not have its own techniques, as there is no slash cancelling, and any techniques done with a dagger can be done by a sword or kodachis.--Kawufix 19:48, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
GunZ, not GUNZ.--Kawufix 21:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I made general grammatical fixings to the page, and added "All Kills". Also, someone screwed up the page again. OdinReborn 18:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn

[edit] "Cerb3rus" and "Hurricane"

I deleted the "most commonly used by Cerb3rus and the members of Cerb's Cult" part of Cerb3rus, since it isn't necessarily true (many users use it) and Hurricane, since it isn't really a technique. EDIT: Wait, isn't "Spiking" and "Cerb3rus" exactly the same thing, but with a block cancel in Cerb3rus? RE-EDIT: Cerberus is "Sword Instant-Kill", not "Spiking". Either way, it's not different.--Kawufix

[edit] Engrish

"GunZ is played from a 3rd-Person view, with no clear way of changing this announced."

What?

Fixed. "GunZ is played in third person, and no change of this has been annouced. Though the International Edition is in beta stages, the Korean version has long since been more or less complete."--ZanshinJ

[edit] Removed Clan section

Having a clan section will result in clans that think they should be listed being added and other defaced/removed The only protection against this would be a total removal of clans/players section. KANKERSPEL

I agree with this. Rubikfreak 22:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Hm.....yeah i suppose.......... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.103.239.172 (talk) 09:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Added Sword Techs Section

Added 4 sword techs and changed flash step and other misc. --Sakraycore 02:21, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

There was nothing wrong with flashstep. Those are -- or were -- the official, agreed-upon existing abilities. Also, unblockables should probably be listed as a glitch, rather than a technique, because it's actually somewhat likely it will be fixed. --nothingxs 04:48, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

Flash step was actually quick slash before I changed it around(it didn't have the dash at the end, the very thing that makes it a movement technique) --69.192.6.130 16:11, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Swapshooting / Streaming

This can be done while standing. Who keeps insisting to make it 'while moving'? There was already a "can also be done while moving" clause added to the thing. =_= -- nothingxs 20:15, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

û== New Steps ==

How about let's add three new steps? Combined "Steps" (Credit goes to Ultima MoG for telling me! :P) : Adv. Light Step- [Half Half Step -> Light Step] -Allows you to continue Light Step

Adv. Flash Step- [Flash Step -> Half Half Step -> Repeat] -Allows you to continue Flash Step

Stylish Step- [Flash Step -> Half Half Step -> Any Technique] (Example: Flash Step -> Half Half Step -> Slashshot) -For Style!! No, really beats me.

Highly unnecessary, considering that pretty much all of this is really just "mix and match". Stylish Step is also the stupid invention of someone with too much time on his hands. --nothingxs 08:14, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Steps should be core moves, not advanced combos.-guobin2

[edit] Pay For Items?

Reading through the manual it seems you will have to pay for some items later, can anyone shed some light on this?

Once the system is implemented, it would make sense to include something on the subject. It's not really worth it for now, though. -- nothingxs 08:14, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Paying for items?

Well I dont think i'll give the anwser but... >>>Items<<< what kind of items >>>Money(paying)<<< what REAl money or bounty this makes no sense.

[edit] Glitches

they're information for the good of the community. stop hiding them.

Glitches are supposed to be there, I think --Joshua Tapar

[edit] Lack of Honor

There are a precious few Gunz players who are tired of every player out there constantly using the Butterfly technique instead of having an actual swordfight. This is particularly annoying when one is playing bow rules, as it often results in one person endlessly jumping and slashing in circles around a player who cannot or will not use Butterfly. While the Buttefly technique remains one of the most effective styles of melee combat, it is a rather underhanded tactic. It is likely that the original game design did not include such a tactic and that it developed from loopholes in the game's coding. Although widely used and in credibly effective, the Butterfly technique requires little strategys, though many will inevitably argue otherwise. I have found that the Butterfly technique robs the game of some of its entertainment value. In an effort to curb the rampant use of Butterfly, the user cidbahamut has made efforts to introduce the concept of Gopher Style, a more ground based style of fighting. Although Gopher Style is not effective against Buttefly, it is much more enjoyable. The number of users who have interacted with and agreed with the user cidbahamut is extremely small, but many have found Gopher Style to be preferable to jumping around endlessly with Butterfly.

Cidbahamut lives on server 3 of the international version beta.

Butterfly does not make you invincible or anything unfair to others, so there isn't anything wrong with people using it. It's just a very good technique that makes you hard to hit and allows you to constantly attack and guard. Plus, it's fun...just like flying :) People who complain about butterfly probably just aren't skilled enough or too ignorant figure out how to use it. If you don't use butterfly, that's fine, but don't complain about it. CMyst 02:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Butterfly is a perfectly legitimate sword technique. Don't assume the person butterflying does not enjoy it, or at least don't preach about your self-proclaimed "Gopher-Style." This is a competitive online game, there is no such thing as honor- the only true concept is the concept of winning.
Some people cannot use butterfly simply because of the fact they find it pyhsically impossible, He isn't being ignorant, Your being ignorant of the fact not everyone wants to butterfly.

-gantzgraf-

This entire argument is stupid. You are essentially trying to bring the concept of 'honor' into an online, competitive game. In a competitive game, the goal is to win. There's no such thing as an "underhanded tactic" as long as the game itself allows for it. While the game did not originally intend to have the butterfly feature in the Korean beta, the tactic became so popular that the game was eventually changed to adapt the 'cancelling' system, thus making it a completely legitimate tactic.
Arguing that the butterfly is 'dishonorable' or that people are ignorant because they aren't accomodating people who find it physically impossible to do is -- you guessed it -- ignorant. People will do whatever they want to, regardless of whatever you think. And people, believe it or not, want to win. I suggest that you pick up and play a different game if you find certain things in GunZ to be physically impossible, because GunZ is not the game for you. If you still want to play, then take what you have and develop something around it. No one is forcing you to butterfly. You can fight just fine without it. You will not have the upper hand since it is one of those "must-know" skills of GunZ (butterflying forward is a basic, simple and helpful technique in melee combat, and also one of the best ones -- and you usually can learn it first because it teaches good cancelling timing and prepares your muscle memory for different techniques). However, you cannot blame OTHERS for YOUR faults. Instead of complaining about what others do, improve yourself and beat them. Practice makes perfect. --nothingxs
Whether we want to believe it or not, Butterflying is the ONLY way to EFFECTIVELY melee in GunZ. This is only strengthened by the fact of various accepted glitchs. Do I approve of Butterflying? No. Do I use Butterflying? No. Do I hate Butterfliers for Butterflying? No. There is NO possible way any DECENT (Decent being people who can butterfly continuously, no matter if it's fast or slow, just if it's continuous) butterflier is going to lose to someone who actually slashs and blocks etc. There are just too many accepted glitchs that hinder the people who actually don't want to or can't Butterfly. On a side note, I personally believe that it is no longer to play this game unless you can at least SlashShoot or Half-Step. The game needs to be changed to reflect this, people who actually want to play this game aren't going to get anywhere fast unless they can learn these things. Also, people need to stop being so ignorant and idiotic in thinking that K-Style is the ONLY way to play, there are many other methods of playing, and if it works, it works...Perhaps I said that wrong...Anyways, saying that "Anyone who goes against Butterflying is just saying that because they are too ignorant or can't do it" is just completely false. I can butterfly fine, but I don't use it, and I still do very well in games. --OdinReborn
Id like to know how to butterfly but arguably i also like turtling, a nice ground sword to sword fight rather than head aching dizzy spinning, mouse and keyboard bashing defense of the BF. Although id still like to know how to do it effectively cus it look so pro xD.. if anyone would like to teach names Janix06 intern beta~ ^^'
Guys guys calm down. Butterflying is not the only way to effectively melee in GunZ. You can also lots of other melee style which is very effective too but since it's not popular as much as butterfly. Butterflying is very easy when you keep on practicing it. --User:Joshua Tapar
butterfly is fun to watch, but i guess im a "pro turtle" and i always come up on top in sword only. always. when a player is using butterfly against you just block and run into them. this causes a stun and you can get 2 or 3 hits in, then flip them, charge and 2 or 3 more hits. simple and effective. the key is to know when to lure with wild swings and then blocking at the last minute if the butterfly is pro. also, while this needs not be said, lure a butterfly near walls and the entire technique will start to fall apart. your truly - SpankyMuch
Butterfly is not "cheap" - it takes skill to learn it. If you claim that you beat everyone using it by turtling, you obviously haven't met any decent gladiators - no nub spams butterfly around someone, unless they know exactly what they're doing. If you can manage to lure a butterflier near a wall, saying that you don't butterfly, all they have to do is dash away without a slash, and then keep butterflying. Also, no technique in Gunz is "button mashing" - all require precise key presses. You can't just slam your hand on the keyboard and hope to execute a technique, like in fighting games. Without butterfly or the other K-Style techniques, Gunz would be as good as dead. Also, there are but 2 styles - D-Style and K-Style. E-Style/made-up styles are but a branch of either of them, and H-Style does not carry its own techniques (K-Stylers can do whatever a H-Styler can). This topic was made about 9 months ago, too - any style discussions are about dead. --Kawufix 02:21, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Butterfly is a very enjoyable technique and it is a lot more fun fighting another person who butterflys. Butterfly is a very easy technique to learn but is very hard to master. gopher style is soo incredibly dumb its redicules butterflying is something that drags a fight out or speeds it up gopher style sounds noobish and turtlish64.251.53.81 14:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Turtling is not "noobish". Whatever you can do to win, do it. --Kawufix 19:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
"Whatever you can do to win, do it." This is the reason why E-Style has a bad name; just look at the E-Style guide Tsuteto made, it's oh-so-accurate -rolls eyes- Anyways, back to the point. It's not dishonorable to Butterfly. OdinReborn 18:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn

<(' '<) All swords styles are blockable, to block butterfly, simply block upwards.

^^That's not true at all 'to block butterfly, simply block upwards'. If that was true, noone would be using Butterfly because it would have a 100% chance to fail if you "simply blocked upwards" Fact of the matter is, there is NO other way to melee in GunZ besides Butterflying (With swords, daggers are a different story) Meaning, you can't slash on the ground or slash in the air (without blocking) and even hope to win against a decent Butterflier. --OdinReborn

Dude who cares about honour its just all you kill me and i kill you in this game. Butterfly is fine by my word. Skullprince5

Ok... Sure the "Butterfly Technique" and other techniques were made with the loop holes and glitches in the game (such as those cancelling moves) but isn't that what makes Gunz so fun and unpredictable? If you ask me, the only thing wrong with the Butterfly technique is the discrimination that comes with it. If you can't "BF" then you're considered a n00b. Turtling and other styles of playing are just fine. Just because your invinsible BF was defeated by a "n00b move" then you shouldn't go flaming the other guy... Just my opinion, and by the way PLEASE, PLEASE don't go around saying BF is the best. It's just really effective. ~WhatBeDevoid

The "honor" discussion ended ages ago. K-Style is legit even if it cancels, because it's included in the 2005 Gunz trailer, and there's nothing dishonorable about it - it takes skill or at least practice to learn, so anyone who cannot do not can't complain if they didn't practice it to use it against other butterfliers. --Kawufix 14:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the only reason people are still touchy about the BF is because they are easily pawned by BFers. People please don't go ranting around saying BF isn't legal or isn't part of the game. I have to agree with Kawufix on this one, just learn it. I used to be against BF mainly because I couldn't do it. Now, although my BF sucks and it's pretty slow I'm beginning to see why it's one of the most popular styles of Gunz Whatbedevoid 07:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

What I mean is, just stop discussion of "honor" completely. The argument was dead several months ago, and there's no point in continuing it. --Kawufix 20:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandals:

Damn Vandals: Stop deleting stuff by going to edit and highlighting a section of the text and pressing delete and pressing save page, or your ip will be temporarily banned. Stop sometime soon!

[edit] Suggestion for "Maiet Entertainment" Link in summary table

[edit] Addition of Locust Plague Section?

I believe a small snippet regarding the Locust Plague that is still currently affecting the Internation Version of Gunz should be added (mainly someone who is educated on it). The hacking section of this article was removed for obvious reasons, but an explanation of this hack and its profound effects should be relatively harmless as it is already actively talked about on the Internation Edition's official forums. Additionally, the "Plague"'s first version has been already rendered unusable by Maiet, I believe. Unfortunately, a more powerful version of the Locust Plague seems to be under development by its creator 1. MidnightWolf 22:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Downtime?

There was some schedueled downtime early january. during that period to now, they have made us revert back to an older version and/or use the patch. maybe this is for me, i dont know, but after i patch it (using the patch from their official site) it displays a loading screen for an infinite amount of time. firewall shows that it is connected and waiting for info, yet task manager implies that it is not responding. would someone like to tell me what's going on? i havent blocked acess using the firewall. 6 Febuary 2006

it's wierd, but all i know is that you must go to the gunz forums and just look around in the garrison for the link to download another patch. whilst looking, you'll find the answer to your question. i would tell you, but i can't remember what it was hahaha OmniAngel 12:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
They were in the process of moving the actual servers. Instead of using the GunZ launcher to update, download the full International installer from the website. Use it, then run the launcher. Any update needed will be downloaded sort of like P2P, meaning you get the newer files from other players. When you see the splash screen, if you see Feb 6, 2006, you're updated as of this post.  :) CardinalFangZERO 07:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
i did get it torrenting once, but only once. every time i try after that, stuck at loading screen. with or without the manual patch to it, there is no difference. i'm getting frustrated; everyone else i know can torrent it, and maeit dosent have the decency to upload the whole fils on-site and pay for bandwidth. Thx for replying, tho 13 febuary 2006
There seems to be another server blackout. I can't honestly verify that it is blacked out for everyone though as there are no forums to go to...Can someone verify this and maybe offer an explanation for the downtime? Thanks. Gometro33 08:20, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inappropriate tone fixed

And tags removed. This article's been pretty desolate since I left it. --Antoshi~! T | C 20:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

That might actually be a good thing. --nothingxs

[edit] MB Size?

nowhere is it mentioned on how big the program you have to download is, and i think its pretty important to know how big the program is if you are putting it in your CPU

BIG Tuna 02:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


Whoops, LOL. N/M!!

BIG Tuna 02:29, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reload Shot and Cancelling

I made a few small changes to the description of the reload shot because I've come to the conclusion that it is the shooting animation that causes the delay, which is cancelled by the reload. This qualifies as a new cancel, but compared to the cancels already listed it currently has very few uses. I'm not sure if it's worth adding it to the list of cancels or not.

There also appears to be some sort of cancel at the apex of a jump. This allows one to nearly perform two butterflies in a single jump ( JUMP -> SLASH -> BLOCK -> AFTER APEX OF JUMP, DASH -> SLASH -> BLOCK ). I haven't done much experimenting yet, so I'm not sure about the validity of mechanics. Maybe someone here can figure out and explain the details. --Lancer2D 06:29, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

What your saying here is true, it is a reload cancel and probably should be noted as such. The cancel at the apex of a jump is merely timing to tell the truth, using it and a "Gear Tap" you are able to perform 2 shots and 3 dashes in a jump. ( DASH -> JUMP -> SLASH(HOLD) -> SWITCH TO GUN -> SHOOT -> SWITCH TO SWORD -> DASH -> SLASH(HOLD) -> SWITCH TO GUN -> DASH -> SHOOT -> SWITCH TO SWORD ) is the moves to the above example. --Buga 05:58, 02 July 2006 (UTC)
The very apex of a jump is the point where there is actually no animation, like in Super-dash - it's the ending of the jump animation, and the start of the fall animation. A cancel is one technique that ends another technique quicker - the apex of a jump can't be a cancel, since you're only doing one thing.--Kawufix 20:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Network Issues

Somebody should say something about the huge problems this game has with NAT traversal, as well as possible fixes. I believe the problem comes from the game launcher's habit of torrenting every single time you run it.

Add signature next time, and the torrenting has nothing to do with it. Agent Errors have been around since the beginning of Gunz (or somewhere near that), and especially before the torrented patches.--Kawufix 20:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Advanced Butterfly Step

Can you guys vote if we can keep my technique?


Oh yeah and guys? If you get annoyed by the butterfly step or you think it is a lack of honor or you think that glitches are not supposed to be hidden? Well your wrong! Because these things are the foundation of the game! They did this to improve gameplay. If you think it's not fair, well train harder! And these things are from K-style. If you dont like it, make your own style. But these things are from people and if you think that its not fair and you think its stupid, well it doesnt matter. For me the glitches in this game are a positive, an advantage for people and you too can find advantage. That's the whole point.

The "Advanced Butterfly Step" has no benefit whatsoever. It's even worse than the Flash Step, which only has a slight benefit. Delete it, please --Dabigkid 22:27, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
It's actually a Stylish Step, its not your own move, get over it. P.S. Added the Double Butterfly for enjoyment. --Buga 15:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah ok whatever. But what's a "Stylish Step"?

Jump » Dash » Slash » Switch to Gun » Switch to Sword » Jump » Dash » Slash » Block ----It's extremely useless. The block cancels the slash, so why would you need a switch to do so? It's by no means faster. Anyway, the move that replaced it, the double butterfly, is an actual move that has its uses. --Dabigkid 16:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
There *is* an "advanced" butterfly, but it's Jump > Slash > Block > Dash > Slash > Block (which I'm editing in now). Flash step is a very useful movement technique - in the time it takes to do one dash, you can do 1.5 dashes. This is stylish step - a flash step + anything on the second dash (a block, usually). It's pretty much useless, and you can't go any faster with it.--Kawufix 16:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, I know flash step is useful (trust me, I d-style and I dagger flash all the time), but when compared to light step, it isn't much different. Flash step's dashes are by no means faster than light step's. The only difference is that flash step cancels the sword slash so if you dash a little later into the jump, you can move onto another move quicker. The Wikipedia article states that, though :) --Dabigkid 06:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
You can spam flash step faster than light step, definitely, but I'll go fix it if it says that it makes the dashes faster than if you used light step, since it doesn't. (Dagger Flash has the same principle and basic effect as the Light Step [without the silent dash], but since the dagger stab cancels differently, you can't do flash step with it :( )--Kawufix 04:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks guys! Joshua Tapar

[edit] Wind Step / Mos Step

It doesn't have a switch back to sword - otherwise, it wouldn't be a step.--Kawufix 16:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Agent Error

Yeah but dudes how come I downloaded GunZ in my friend's computer and I can log in and everything except it keeps on saying "Agent Error: Not Available" and it "seems" that everyone lags except me.

Moved into a new section, and put your signature (click the button at the top, or type "--~ ~ ~ ~" without spaces or quotes). I don't know if this will work for you, but here's a set of tips:
Q. My ping from others is always 999/I can talk with others, but I cannot see their movements/I keep getting agent errors!
If you cannot communicate with another player, his ping will display as 999 (use TAB to see the status). If you see this problem but you are able to interact with other players, then your network is fine. But if you cannot see other players' movements, it means that there is a problem with interacting with other players. Many people call this situation "999 ping problem". Originally, GunZ supported players under NAT/Firewall/IP Sharing Router network, but unfortunately it is not the case for International Edition, because doing so requires high-end hosting servers [which IGunz currently lacks]. Currently we plan to implement the support by official release date. Until then, the users of NAT or firewalls may have problems with playing GunZ properly. If you're behind a firewall, please contact with your network administrator or ISP to resolve this problem.
If you're using IP sharing router, however, there is a way to resolve the situation. GunZ supports port forwarding, and you can set the feature with your IP sharing router. Most IP sharing router support port forwarding (to learn how to set up Port Forwarding, please refer your router manual, or visit http://www.portforward.com). After making changes, press "option" in game and check network configuration. Enter port number from the router into the port number option box. (This tip may come in handy in improving network performance even after the support for NAT/Firewall/IP Sharing Router becomes available.)
  • Check to see if you have a firewall enabled, this may be the default Windows XP firewall or an external item like a router, if so check to see if this program or hardware allows the same port as Gunz wants to use to pass through.
  • If you do not use a router or firewall and the problem is appearing from using the modem directly, some company stocked modems feature built in firewalls (like most Microsoft cable modems do), these can only be edited by the ISP, a program they gave you or on there special website with management tools (not many have this problem though).
  • Try changing the port that Gunz uses by going into the Gunz menu by editing the number; some people have had good luck with this method for unknown reasons- if it doesn't work, maybe your PC hates ports 7700~7800.
  • If you use a router or a firewall that supports the same sort of features, make sure ports 7700~7800 are open as well as any other port you change to in the Gunz menu.
  • If your internet speed is slow, your max players per game is limited by quite a bit, some 512/128 internet users may find they're fine with 8 players, but lag to 999 for everyone if in a 16 player game.
  • Sometimes, all you need to do is re-login into the game (not waiting room, game) ** If this is your first time getting 999 pings. --Kawufix 00:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moving "Quest" and "Clan War" information.

I suggest moving the information on Clan War and Quest game modes from "Planned for Release" to "Released" (with a note that they are not available in the International edition). My reasoning is that they are present in 4 versions of the game. Loephphler 01:57, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Maybe change the header to "Planned for release for International Edition"?--Kawufix 02:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Also TDM +Extreme is released as well, and Duel Mode and Survival are next on the list. Kawufix has a good Idea though --Buga 07:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quest mode monsters, questmode items, and premium items.

I know personally that there is at least 6 types of monsters released in the Japanese version of Gunz. There are the dagger goblins, then gun goblins, healer goblins, armored club goblins, the large "slow down" goblins, and a very small pink monster that can only be destroyed with grenades, I believe its name is pampola or something similar.

At the moment you "can" buy some quest mode items in game. The only ones you can buy in game are 3 different scrolls/maps: one that can only be used at level if every one in your questmode game is level 13+, one if everyone is level 25+, and one if everyone is some where in the level 40 range. You also can gain some items through quest mode: 3 different types of chicken wings, skulls, dolls, and I believe meal plates/ candy canes can also be gained through questmode. All of these items change the quest mode slightly and can ONLY be used at certain levels.

Also in J-Gunz, K-gunz, and I belive In-gunz(India) you can purchase items with real money. These Items range from hats, gloves, rings, shoes, elements, melee weapons (swords/daggers/other), guns(all types), pants, and shirts. These Items cost around $5 (I think) and the process is only in that versions language.

  User:Apack|Apack]] 07:56, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Korean and Japanese GunZ are the only versions with premium items currently. India and Brazil GunZ will get them when they leave the beta stage. Loephphler 19:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
The items range between .30cents American to $5 American, approx. Also there are many more quest monsters there Are Daggers, Guns, Metals, Healing, Shamans, Pamploa, Goblin Captain are the ones currently existing, with almost 20 more planned, the last quest page is 41. The Meal Plates and Candy Canes were Events, where you collected 20 Chicken Wings, 20 Chicken Thighs, and 20 Chicken Drumsticks, There have been many more, such as the Biker Helms, Fire elements, etc. --Buga 07:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PvP and PvE

Should there be mention of the game being exclusively PvP only despite having RPG elements which would suggest to a person who hasn't played the game that there is some form of PvE?

Add signature (click the button). There is, but in quest mode, which hasn't been enabled in IGunz yet. The story is misleading, since it wasn't meant for this "version" of Gunz - probably only for the earlier incarnations of it. --Kawufix 14:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

It's seems they must be verified here first. I propose adding http://www.gunzfactor.com/ to the article. It is currently the largest GunZ fansite and holds a lot of information about the game.

Add signature next time (click the button). GunzFactor should be added to the link-set - after all, it's basically the official forum now, since they haven't bothered to fix the real forum. --Kawufix 14:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I Agree. they also have a "GunZ-peida" - here. --Cheklevara 06:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
This has been around for a lot longer - that's pretty recent. It needs a bunch of cleanup in almost every article, but I can't be bothered to. x_x --Kawufix 20:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I think there should be a www.gunzfactor.com/wiki. It is a wikipedia of gunz. --KangKnight 12:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
^....what? --Kawufix 21:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Alright, adding it now. --Kawufix 19:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


full link : http://www.gunzfactor.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page


My name is razorblitz07 and I propose adding my GunZ: The Duel fansite to the external links section. GunZ Factor may be the largest fansite for GunZ: The Duel but it isn't the only fansite. Don't be so obnoxious about one fansite. Let others post their hand-made fansites. Here's my GunZ Fansite. Please do not delete it!

Razorblitz07, Site Webmaster of GunZ Unlimited- A GunZ: The Duel Fansite

I don't want Gunz Unlimited to be added - if we added every Gunz fansite and community, it would be a gigantic stack of links, like before. GunzFactor is the current "official" forum for most if not all IGunz players (ijji and international), and has a large stock of information about stuff. Short of a few things like strategy guides (which could be added to strategywiki), GunzFactor has all GunzUnlimited has, and nearly a 100x larger userbase. --Kawufix 03:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
And who exactly do you think you are? There's no rule about how many links a user can put on a wiki page. GunZ Factor is not the only fansite for GunZ. There are only 2 good GunZ fansites out there, GZF and GZU. If MAIET and ijji would only post up an updated Fansites section on to their GunZ websites, I wouldn't be doing this. Another thing, GunZ Unlimited and GunZ Factor are two different fansites. Don't be saying that GZF has pretty much everything that GZU has because trust me, you're wrong. GunZ Unlimited has a lot more features than GunZ Factor. GunZ Factor has vBulletin and that's pretty much it. I'll have the external links blocked off if I have to because it is not fair to only have GunZ Factor on the list. There are more fansites out there. Let's explorer them all shall we.

--Razorblitz07 09:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm reverting the page for now. The links are for important links - anyone can make a fansite, but it has to be significant. --Kawufix 12:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
and now you're making an ad-hominem fallacy. GunZ Unlimited is literally the 2nd best GunZ fansite right underneath GunZ Factor. Don't you dare say GZU isn't a "significant" enough fansite because it is and deserves its place in the external links section. Don't be obnoxious and start deciding which fansite is the most important. Search "Gunz the duel fansites" on google and post up the top 5 websites on to here. --Razorblitz07 11:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Obviously GunzUnlimited is the top 5 in Google, since it has "Gunz the Duel Fansite" in the title, along with Gunz The Duel and fansite in its meta keywords. But, registered users for it is less than 600. It is not significant - GunzFactor would not be listed there last year if the comment wasn't there, when it was not active, and it was not the "official" Gunz forum, like it is now. --Kawufix 16:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
GZU is on 582 buddy. Say that we're under 600 tomorrow and you'll be wrong. By next year, GZU will be be at the top competing strongly against GZF. A lot of people go for GZU. Don't think that everyone likes GZF. A lot of people are coming over to GZU because GZU offers more help and respect than GZF and there's less spam and advertisement. Think strongly about which fansites are the most "significant" because you will regret yourself in the next few months. --Razorblitz07 9:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
1. I'm right. 2. I doubt it. 3. Not really. 4. True, but they don't go to GZU. 5. Same as official forums - you're probably not going to get help on GZF, since the majority of people are idiots. But, if GZU grows, it'll become the same. 6. GZF is a significant website - MAIET puts all of their announcements on there, and Ijji puts a few. They have their own guides (although outdated) which are useful and specific. There are 22,388 active members and 204 active users browsing GZF today. However, GZU is not supported by MAIET, does not have any significant guides not found elsewhere, and there is 1 non-registered user on the site as of right now, which is probably me. I'm removing the link again, unless you can say why the link is important right now, not in a year. --Kawufix 16:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
ahem, GZF only has MAIET's attention because they were the first fansite made for GunZ that actually had guides. ijji follows up as well. I make sure that GZU doesn't follow up on GZF and so I make sure my staff is well prepared for incomming members. If only MAIET had the time to poast up GZU on to their website, GZU would be famous but no. Ijji hasn't even posted up a faasite section for their GunZ site either. Ok, why is GZU significant? As the webmaster, I am very active in the forums unlike Citizen of GunZ Factor. I update the guides as much as I can. We have underbanners that members can use. We also have the background music that is played on GunZ on our site. GZU has a lot of things that GZF doesn't have. What you are trying to say, in my opinion, is that GunZ Factor rules all and that it is the best. That is far from true. GunZ Factor has 3 things that makes it "the best": vBulletin forums, MAIET, and ijji. That's it. Besides that, they are not that good. Ok, and they have a lot more media that GZU has but trust me, I'm gettin there. Don't start sayin that GunZ Unlimited is not important because it is. I respect all GunZ Fansites. What you are doing is discriminating. Do I think GunZ Factor should be posted up? Absolutely. I highly respect GZF but I also want my website to have some pride too. Case closed. --Razorblitz07 8:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Not really. Many fansites were made before GunzFactor, and nearly all of them had guides. The reason why GZF became popular was because quite a few people already knew about it, so they posted there instead when the official forums went down. It just happened that because of the influx of problems and errors that came with new patches, GunzFactor also had many fixes and downloads for these, or at least linked to them. The owner of a fansite doesn't make it significant, but the content, and in forums, the users. If you applied what you said to anything else, you could say that the entire Gunz community is insignificant without Guntrix, which is obviously not so. Signature banners, background music, and well-updated guides don't make for a better fansite. I'm not saying that GZF is the best, but it is definitely significant. Before GZF had vBulletin forums, they still had quite a large fanbase, although they updated because Lil Chris decided to brute force Citizen's account. MAIET and ijji making their announcements there is probably the most important part - you could ignore every guide, detail or even community, and it'd still be there since it's important to Gunz. --Kawufix 21:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


i'm not going to argue anymore as there is no point. I have explored every single GunZ fansite on google and on gunzonline and I can say that none of them have any good guides. Every guide that any GunZ fansite could have comes from GunZ Factor. No GunZ fansite has their own guide...actually I've seen a few that have their own guides and are pretty impressive but nevertheless GunZ Unlimited has its own guides and features and has gone from free webhoting to professional, making it one of the best. You obviously have no knowledge on what makes a website significant. A fansite is significant if it has everything a person would want in a game. Both GunZ Factor and GunZ Unlimited has that. GZU has some features that GZF doesn't have and vice versa. Exactly, how much experience do you have in being a webmaster? Citizen and I both have solid webmaster experience and we both know what makes a good website. My site is at the top, period...right underneath GunZ Factor. Yes, I've seen a few sites that were made before GZF but they were not that good. If you want to continue blabbering out what you think is factual, then feel free to do so. I disagree with what you are saying and I am pretty sure many others do too. You do not decide what fansite is important or not. Don't try to persuade everyone to go on GunZ Factor. I want to post up GZU because it is a very important fansite in the GunZ Community and you are intervening that. --razorblitz07 3:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Significant means important to the game. Without GunzFactor, simply, the Gunz community and Gunz itself would probably not exist like it does today. --Kawufix 20:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Don't know why I want to keep on arguing becuase it is poitnless to argue with a person like yourself. Yes, GunZ Factor is significant, however, don't be saying that GunZ Unlimited isn't either. Like I said MAIET and ijji posting on the GZF Forums is the only reason why GZF is popular. If GZF didn't exist, GZU would be in its place. What you are doing is discriminating against GZU. It is unfair how you only post up GZF when are other GunZ fansites out there. GZF doesn't have everything. There may be a fansite out there that has information GZF doesn't yet have. I will report you for doing this. As many people know, wikipedia is the main source of information and that is where my site first got popular and you are destroying that. WHo do you think you are, anyway? You have no right to intervene in the promotion of GunZ fansites. You are only doing it for GZF, which is not fair at all. --razorblitz07 2:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
GunzFactor was popular before MAIET and ijji went there, and yes, it is one of the primary reasons why it's important. If GZF weren't there, GZU would be in its place, but that is insignificant, since GZF is there - it is also no guarantee that GZU would be in its place, as if it were not there, MAIET may have actually tried to put up the official forums. I only post up GZF because other fansites are non-important, since they are NOT essential to the current state of Gunz. Does any site really have any *important* information that GZF doesn't have? Even GZU took stuff from them, and trying to surpass them, they made completely useless guides. Why report? I haven't broken any Wikipedia rules, and I've only tried to be blunt, but not insulting. Wikipedia is not for the promotion of websites, and I'm not promoting GZF. (as a note, I do not regularly post or even browse GZF.) --Kawufix 02:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


1. You just completely insulted my site and its members. 2. You are insulting every single GunZ fansite out there besides GZU and GZF. Ok, I understand you, dude. But here's the thing: STOP thinking about yourself. Have you surveyed the whole GunZ community to see what they like? I don't think so. Many people try and go to my site because of the fact that GZF never updates itself and there's spam every where in the GZF forums. The GZF also has no respect for anyone...ok, maybe a few are actually caring. My site being useless? I don't think so. Every guide on my site is useful to GunZ and any player can use it to their own advantage. Everything on my site is unique in its own way. Do I want to be like GZF? I am very impressed by what GZF has done but no, I try not to copy them. I try and expand on what they do. Look at my main page of GZU...looks like GZF, huh? Well, I've expanded it a whole lot and made it look even better (and plus I use a CMS system). Dude, every GunZ Fansite is good. I know what you mean by important. GunZ Factor IS the most important fansite for GunZ. However, it's gettin old. I made GunZ Unlimited so that there would be another source to look at other than GZF. I got nothin else to say, man. I've said all I could say and all you are doing is refuting it. --Razorblitz07 02:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The only problem is, the majority of Gunz fansite-browsing community is in GZF. The majority of official forum idiots joined, which is a result of too many people. For the usefulness of guides part: "What is 'Gunz'?" is copy/paste, "The Basics" is but normal Gunz tactics, "Tutorial" is self-explanatory stuff and copy/paste from wiki, "Game Tactics" only covers game modes (and has some irrelevant/incorrect information), "Keyboard Controls" is copy/paste from website, "Alt Codes" is copy paste from [[1]], "Multi-Line Macros" just shows an annoying bug in Gunz, "Weapons" are copy/paste from GZF and is incorrect in many parts, "Clothes"/"Items" may not be copy/paste but GZF has the same information, "Maps" is only really useful for the list of maps, since the information is inaccurate, "Vocabulary" may be the only useful page on the site, but it has a lot of false information as well, "Quest Mode" has self-explanatory information and is not very useful, "General Gameplay Questions" is incorrect, "Experience Statistics" is obvious copy/paste of GZF, "Aiming" is reworded copy/paste of GZF, "Aiming 2" is useless guide (practice on random stuff), and "Hacks & Glitches"'s hack part is incomplete and the glitches part is covered by the wiki. The claim that the guides expand or try not to copy GZF is false. Although there is some useful information, all of the incorrect information makes it useless too. And yes, I've been refuting what you're saying, since I don't think GZU belongs on the link page. --Kawufix 23:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I'm going into this a few days late but I just wanted to add my few cents. In response to Razorblitz07: You say that he's "only thinking about himself," but all you're trying to do is promote your site! Stop being dense and start realizing that your site is not signifigant enough to be put on the Wikipedia. Barely anyone visits your site. I'm looking at it right now and it has only 3 threads posted in for the entire day so far. Also, I back Kawufix up by saying that all of the information on that website will never replace GunZFactor, seeing as all of it can be found somewhere on GunZFactor, and most of your "advice" is arguably bad. --Dabigkid 19:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Graphic Changes

Shouldn't we list how to change the way to make smoke-gernades' effect dissapeer? [11 yr old who doesn't know how to edit in wikipedia.]

Add signature (click the signature button) next time. You probably shouldn't add it in though - it might be self-explanatory (or something like an exploit), like how the smoke behind a rocket disappears when you set effects to low. --Kawufix 19:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Excellent Job

I am a player of Gunz the Duel and I use the k-style techniques described on this wiki. I just want to say that anyone that worked on this did a very nice job. The techiniques described here are fantastic! Keep up the good work! Edit: Oops... forgot signature. Thanks, Kawufix!!! Rubikfreak 19:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

(add signature D:) This wiki has been here for over a year, but at that time, it was a piece of crap. Luckily, there's a ton of people who work on this wiki a lot, so it's improved quite a bit. :D --Kawufix 22:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I am the IP address who keeps editing certain parts of the article (Weapons section usually). Hopefully my edits are appreciated and not reverted >_> --MK0 03:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, as long as you're not vandalizing or causing any other sort of trouble, you're doing great! :) Rubikfreak 01:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infinite Wall Jump?

In tight spaces like parts of the alley in town or hallways in mansion, you can do a wall jump from wall to wall infinitely. It's old, but it hasn't been added here yet, and wall climbing is nearly never called Infinite Wall Jump. Add it as a new technique? --Kawufix 01:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal to move Korean-Style Techniques section to Wikibooks

As per tag. Anyone? --Antoshi~! T | C 18:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Sure. But, wait for more users to read this first. --Kawufix 20:18, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Still considering this, especially with the new tag. --Antoshi~! T | C 03:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

The techniques should be removed in this GunZ article. It states that this shouldn't be an instruction manual (Which is entirely true) and as such, we must remove the Korean-Style technique moves etc etc etc in this article. You can describe what it is, but you don't show the moves. I'm going to remove them once, and see how it goes. OdinReborn 17:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn

You should copy them to wikibooks before you move them, as in the topic above <_< --Kawufix 20:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Uhh... I have no idea how Wikibooks works, so I'm reverting the page for now - discuss further in the other topic. --Kawufix 20:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Merging this with the other topic, actually. --Kawufix 20:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I've no idea what Wikibooks is, i'm just here for editing and such. Either way, showing and telling the moves of the game I believe is against Wikipedia's...policy...thing (I really have no idea) Look up any other game on here and none of them tell how to do certain moves. They may explain WHAT you can do, but they don't tell how. This isn't meant to be a dictionary, it's meant to be an encyclopedia.OdinReborn 14:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn
Yeah. There was a tag here before that said that the how-tos should be moved to wikibooks, but unfortunately someone deleted it <_< Any regular editor around these parts know how to move stuff to Wikibooks, or knows a way to contact someone who does? --Kawufix 20:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kill Auras?

Anyone got screenshots of the "auras" over peoples' heads? Headshot and All Kill are accurate, but the rest aren't, or at least aren't very descriptive. Not that you'd need anything besides the color to tell you what you got, though. --Kawufix 03:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

It's hard because for example, the "Purple Aura" isn't a clear descriptive graphic. OdinReborn 15:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn

Yeah :\ I never actually looked carefully at any of the "auras", so until now, I didn't even notice that Excellent was a set of wings. <_< --Kawufix 18:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Heh, you either don't play a lot, not observant, or your graphic's are on low XD Heh, just playing. But yea, I think "Arch-like" is the best it's going to get -_-;; OdinReborn 14:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn

Kay, done. --Antoshi~! T | C 03:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E-Style and D-Style additions

I believe that E-Style and D-Style techniques should be added to GunZ the Duel wikipedia. This is because K-Style isn't the only way to play, and it pushes into that "It's the only way to play" territory. I say either show it all or show none of it at all. Way way way back when, I added an E-Style thing, but it got deleted quickly. Can someone provide reasoning as to why E-Style and D-Style aren't mentioned at all? (The actual techniques) OdinReborn 16:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn

Ain't no E-Style techniques - all it is, is a style. K-Style is not a style, but a set of moves that you can define. E-Style gets into the tactics part, which is a bit fuzzy. D-Style doesn't have any of its own techniques either, so the only thing you could add is any tactics you may use while using a dagger. (well, besides minor things and glitches like quick-hang, instafall, or corner wall run) --Kawufix 18:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

There are E-Style techniques, they just don't rely on glitchs etc XD Me being one of the only people who still practices E-Style/Hybrid. And D-Style does have it's own moves, they don't rely on glitchs though (I think) such as Yo-yo, Gatling, Footstab, Evade etc. OdinReborn 14:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn

Yoyo is a glitch, and it can be done with any weapon, including swords. When you try to dash at the apex of the jump in between animations, you do a silent dash. Gatling is dash cancelling, and Footstab is basically just like ground slashing with a sword. Evade... <_< --Kawufix 17:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits by 72.89.220.10

1. All Kill only occurs when a player has killed everyone on the other team, or everyone but one person. If you do 105+ damage to everyone on the other team, meaning that you do the majority, you will NOT get all kill if you kill nobody.

2. Butterfly and butterfly step ARE THE SAME THING. Nobody does butterfly without a dash, and I explicitly noted that it could be done without it though.

3. "Butterfly Stepshot" is a combo of butterfly and a standstill slashshot.

4. "Butterfly Shot/Buttershot" is JUMP > SLASH > BLOCK > [DASH] > SLASH > SWITCH > SHOOT > [DASH], where [] is optional dashes. Double butterfly then a slashshot is simply impossible, since you will hit the ground by the end of the second slashblock.

5. Stop adding non-encyclopedic information, and use comments correctly - <!-.- is the beginning of a comment, and -.-> signifies the end (remove the periods).

Just so you know why I reverted you again. --Kawufix 02:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kawufix

Ok Kawufix I agree with you for most.. you don't have to include that last part for All kill it's pretty obvious if you kill nobody you would not get an all kill..., Secondly Butterfly Stepshot IS a combo of butterfly step and a motionless slash shot however it is still a move either way. Also this is "tips and tricks" as stated if this was so non-encyclopedic you'd have to delete the whole Korean style page.. If you think otherwise about that then where do you stand on what I add...

72.89.220.110 05:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC) DAonlyRaZoR . . . but to you, "72.89.220.10"

Register for Wikipedia officially in case your IP changes, and rather than making a new section, reply to the old section. If you look above, the entire Korean Style section will be moved to Wikibooks sometime soon, anyway. What your edit was meant that if you heavily damaged the other team (implies that you don't actually kill them), you'd get All Kill. Butterfly is never called Butterfly Step, and butterfly is never done without a dash, since it's completely useless - you don't have the slash-block frequency as a double butterfly, so anyone can just shoot you easily, and you can't stun anyone from the slow speed (regular butterfly is faster since the dash keeps you low to the ground, so it's more repeatable). Butterfly Stepshot does not exist - it's not a single technique, and it's only a combo of butterfly/slashshot, and because butterfly isn't called butterfly step. The reason why steps like Stylish Step are counted as steps are that: the second dash is silent from the slash cancel, and you cannot take apart any of the steps, otherwise you could not complete the rest, or the technique would be broken. In your butterfly stepshot, you can take out the entire first part and still be able to do the last 4 steps. Buttershot/Butterfly Slashshot does exist, which is what I named above. Combos do not count as techniques - you could stick a flash step and a slashshot together and call it flashshot, but that's not a single technique. Also, Double Butterfly shot is impossible, since as I said above, you'd hit the ground before you could do the slashshot - if you jumped, then it'd just be a combo of Double Butterfly and a Slashshot. --Kawufix 17:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Movement in progress

I see this wasn't going to get done, so I went and did it myself. Through some research, I found out that video game strategy wiki's belong in StrategyWiki, not Wikibooks. So, I went ahead and moved the K-Style Techniques section over there. If anyone else wants to contribute and make the article less of a stub, the link is here. --Antoshi~! T | C 18:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think we should add D-Style techniques to it as well. Looking this over, people may only think K-Style is ftw, when there are several styles that are equally valid. TerminusEst13 20:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Since it's now in StrategyWiki, now you can probably add some stuff as to how the techniques are used, rather than just telling what they do. Continue the discussion at the StrategyWiki talk page, or the K-Style one. --Kawufix 20:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Factual Accuracy?

I don't see a lot off from Ijji Gunz, since most of the page has been updated and sections have been changed to make the article accurate. The article might need new sections on clans or on new systems in the game, but otherwise for past information it's about fine. --Kawufix 22:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Alright, edited a bit. Keep editing if you find anything else inaccurate :D --Kawufix 22:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kill system

You can get Fantastic on your first kill. I'm not positive for Unbelievable, though, so I'll leave that edit in. As long as you hit the head, you can get a headshot. --Kawufix 15:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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