Talk:GTA clone

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the GTA clone article.
Please sign and date your posts using four tildes (~~~~). New discussion topics go at the bottom of the page; click here to start a new topic. New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Frequently asked questions. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject.	Talk page guidelines Be polite Assume good faith No personal attacks Don't bite the newcomers!

	This article is part of WikiProject Computer and video games, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to video games on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.	CVG Portal
Start	This article has been rated as start-Class on the assessment scale.
CVG To-do: edit  Gaming Collaboration of the week: X-Men vs. Street Fighter Expand: New CVG Articles, List of Nintendo trademarks, Normality, Pac-Man World 2, Operation Flashpoint: Elite, Call of Juarez, Galactic Civilizations II: Dark Avatar, Ford Street Racing, Betrayal at Krondor CVG Peer Review: Super Transformation, Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games, Yoshi, Turok: Dinosaur Hunter, Black Isle's Torn, Rise of Nations, Kirby (Nintendo), PlayStation 3, Mega Man Zero 4, Luigi Cleanup: Shiny Entertainment, Age of Mythology, Serious Sam II, Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Ted Price, Betrayal at Krondor, Little Fighter 2 Merge: Current Events (Update needed!) / Deletions / Essential articles / Workshop / Magazines Assess and Prioritise articles (Log)

Uh, Driver didn't do anything like GTA until GTA III. Sure, it was criminal shit, and you could get out of your car in a limited amount in the second, but it is otherwise totally unrelated. Don't give credit where credit is undeserved, aka Driver. All the games in the series suck anyway. You can't even jump. Dudewhiterussian 21:03, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

You're wrong on a number of factors. Driver (1 & 2) pioneered the "3-D free roam driving" genre before GTAIII came out. Then, gaming critics lambasted Driver 3 and especially Parallel Lines for being too much like GTA, i.e., adding more on-foot, shooting, and in the case of PL, more of the "gangster" cliches, some of which GTA had even used. So yes, Driver did in fact borrow many elements from GTA even though the Driver series did the 3D-free roam stuff first. And for the record, you could jump in Driv3r. -albrozdude 03:10, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saints Row

Saints Row was in development before SA was released, and even before many details were released. Remember when Tokyo and Sin City were possible settings? Neither of those seem big on a street gang. The only design decision really influenced by San Andreas was the changing of the Saints color. Saints Row does not borrow the street gang theme from San Andreas, simple as that.

Nonetheless, many videogame publications have noted the similarity in game structure between the Grand Theft Auto series in general and Saint's Row. This article isn't about naming GTA Clones for criticism's sake, it's for reporting games that have been called GTA clones for encyclopedic sake. -albrozdude 02:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

"A number of games jumped onto the "street gang" theme popularized by Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, and attempted to emulate the success of that game by employing the "gangsta" GTA 3 nor VC were street gang themed. While it is fine to add it in as a GTA clone (it is the same genre, and it is a valid concern) for encyclopedic purposes, it is wrong and POV to declare that it "attempted to emulate the success of that game by employing the gangsta image" when it was being developed before the release or even concrete facts of SA were made made public. Now that it has been moved, I digress. Currently, it is fine. It was not before.

Sorry, I realize your concern now. When the reviews came out for Saint's Row it appeared that the game took other pieces from GTA, so I changed the entry here. For being such a "clone" of GTA, I'm surprised the reviewers liked it. I wish I had 360 so I could play it. -albrozdude 03:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Urban Chaos

Someone should add a mention of the game "Urban Chaos" (I'm talking about the old one, not the new first person shooter) which was a free-roam game on the PC/PS1. It was actually released before GTA3, in 1999, but failed due to little or no publicity. Despite this technicality it could still count as a clone.