Talk:Group of Thirteen (Canadian universities)

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Contents 1 A solution 2 References 3 Data Exchange 4 Endowments 5 Nomination for Deletion 6 Revamping

[edit] A solution

The designation is notable, but all this article is, really, is a list. The schools themselves are notable and have their own articles, and I don't foresee a huge amount of material going onto this page as specifically relating to G10 as opposed to one or more of its constituent schools. It would therefore seem to be much more reasonable and useful to have [[List of G-10 Universities (Canada}]] and link it to the school articles, and also Category: G-10 universities to solve the problem. MSJapan 05:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

• I see a category as a compliment to this article, not a replacement. As it currently stands, perhaps there isn't a lot of substantive information at the moment, however it is a fairly recent organization. Give it a couple years, and the article may be as detailed as Ivy League. There's no reason to get rid of this page. -- pm_shef 05:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
• I work at a unviersity planning office at one of these institutions, and Wikipedia has proved to be the most informative source on the G10 category, the data exchange, etc. This is vital to certain people and should be left intact.

[edit] References

The references listed aren't really that useful. Two of them are from Western, obviously bias and also Calgary. It doesn't support the G10 claim, although I have heard of it but the links aren't even relevant, just charts showing G10. YCCHAN 15:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Removed repetitive link

Silly question: how does one edit the references? The first one says Bernard Shapiro was president of McGill in 1999, when he was in fact the Principal... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Boffob (talk • contribs) .

Sorry, forgot to sign last time...--Boffob 02:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

• Fixed -- pm_shef 22:49, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Data Exchange

Added this section, as it seems to be one of the main activities of the G10 as a collective group. Much of it was from Western's annual report, which has already been used as a reference extensively (what can I say, it's a very long and thorough report). I'm sure this section could be expanded upon, and that would probably silence the accusations of illegitimacy that plagued this article earlier on. --Greenmind 03:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Endowments

I added this section to replace the information that was once contained on the List of Canadian universities by endowment. The list was once based solely around the G10, which provided a nice comparison between the schools, but didn't represent all Canadian universities, which the title would suggest. I changed the list to reflect "all Canadian universities with endowments over 100 million", so I added an Endowment section to the G10 article because it seemed the appropriate place for the old information. Copied the format from the Ivy League article; I figured the article already had one prominently displayed table, so it might be unsightly to add two more. --Greenmind 04:20, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nomination for Deletion

This article was nominated for deletion on 29/3/2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

Why is this page a candidate for deletion? I think that an organisation of top-research universities in Canada is kind of important! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mcphysical (talk • contribs).

[edit] Revamping

This article needs revamping with the recent additions of Dalhousie, U of C and U of O to the G10 (now the G13). Tried to edit it before but got reverted to it's last edition by an admin. There is no G10 anymore, and Ive seen a few mentions of the G13 already. Innacurate to keep this article unupdated without the 3 universities added. 06:15, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• Where have you heard of this as the "G13"? I've still only heard talk of the 10, not the 13.... Do you have a reference? --- Chabuk 13:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• Here's an article about macleans and 11 universities pulling out which mentions the G13: chronicle.com/temp/email2.php?id=vZfqpJGGSZMtkNG23xXFtK4c8rsN4yyq (I can see that they pulled the article down though, kind of old: but "Many of the 11 universities are members of a group of Canadian research institutions known as the G13. The decision to take a stand on the rankings evolved". Here's a mention of it on a U of T page: www.research.utoronto.ca/about/pdf/CCDS%20presentation.ppt If you search for G13 with your adobe reader, you'll find it. On McGill's Budget for 06/07: www.mcgill.ca/files/vpadmin/Budget_Book_06_07.pdf Queens: http://www.queensu.ca/irp/links.htm#G-10%20Universities Obviously, the G13 isn't being used much because the G13 doesn't receive a lot of publicity as would the Ivy League, but the fact is that there are 13 universities part of this group, and the name "G10" doesn't comply with it. 23:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• If you continue searching through the McGill budget document at least (I haven't checked the others) you'll see references to the G10 as well as the G13, leading me to believe that the G13 is a seperate group (possibly including most if not all of the G10 schools, but with the noticeable addition of some smaller ones). Unless it can be shown that the G10 has been changed into the G13, it should not be included in the article. Though if you have enough sources on the issue to make it encyclopedic, feel free to create a seperate article. Also, you might want to register a username. -- Chabuk 00:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

• The reason there are mentions to G10 in the article is because the main focus of the G10 was research partnerships and the data exchange (big one). The G10DE still exists, but will in the next statistics collection, expand to include those three universities (to make it the G13DE). It would be innacurate to use "G13DE" or "G13" if statistics from Dalhousie, U of C and U of O are not included. Im assuming that the U of T page was mentioning statistics in this case. If you look at the Queen's link, it links to the G10 (which they forgot to change) while going to the G13. These sites have had G10 sites, but with the expansion it's gone. They are not two separate groups, they are one. As well if you look at the first citation to the U of C website ( http://www.ucalgary.ca/UofC/departments/PRES/documents/2006-04-07-Message.pdf#search=%22g13%20universities%22 ), it says "I am pleased to announce that the U of C has been added to this group of Canada's most research-intensive universities. To be precise, the G-10 will expand to a G-13 to include the original members plus the U of C, University of Ottawa and Dalhousie University." The G-10 will EXPAND to the G-13. It's one group. I don't think it would be accurate to make a separate article just for the G13. And P.S. The University of Calgary, University of Ottawa and Dalhousie are not what I'd call "smaller" schools. The reason for their additions is because their performances is equal to or greater than a few other schools on the list (in terms of endowment, how research intensive they are and how much they contribute to the research world, capital etc.) 02:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

• Indeed! Well that's interesting news. Go ahead and add the information then and use the U of C document as a reference. Great work btw, we need more editors here like you! -- Chabuk 03:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks. Ive always used wikipedia but just didn't edit much (more of a reader) but thanks for the help. Hope the signature works this time. --Buffer v2 04:09, 20 September 2006 (UTC)