User talk:Grin

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Hello there!

If you have anything to comment on my dangerous existence feel free to do it below. I can't promise a rapid answer, but I'll check in from time to time.

[edit] Old Talk

Hey Grin! I got a sugestion... Go to www.sapo.pt, follow the link genealogia (in the side bar) and you will find a GOTHA BOOK online, very detailed. Thing is that is in portuguese (it rimes!). But somewhere there is a dicionary and princesa is not so different to princess. Muriel Gottrop

Thanks. I actually checked plenty of genealogies before editing ( http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedidex/n=royal?hungary being one of the most detailed and accurate ) and there are conflicting data all over, even in reliable sources (like the Pallas Encyclopedia, which is one of the largest one in the history of Hungary).

Interesting problem for example Henry II, Duke of Bavaria who is referenced as the Quarrelsome in the 30%, and the Wrangler in the rest of the references (in contrast of Henry I, Duke of Bavaria, who is referenced just the opposite).

I see you are interested in Hungary. Check the FEMALE descendancy of Princess Ana (died ca1547), married to Ferdinand the Roman Emperor, and... surprise! EVERYBODY (royal houses, i mean) comes from her or her daughters! Muriel

Being a Hungarian may possibly translated as "being interested in Hungary" :-). Checking the family trees are interesting anyway: one grandchild of St. Stephen (St. Cunigunda of Luxembourg, daughter of Hedwig, daughter of Stephan I) married into the German Royal family, and her child (or some other descendants, I can't recall now) is into the English Royal family and from then pretty much of the german and english royals were descendants of them. [Anne of Bohemia maybe isn't the best example since the "original" royal family of Hungary (called the House of Árpád) died out in 1301. But then again, who can tell who was "Hungarian king" anyway.] I'm sure Europe's history was that interconnected, so we can't really say "we're 100% spanish origin" or like because nations' leaders made their kids marry other kings and princes from Europe. We've been already united, around or before 1000AD! :-) grin 09:21 19 May 2003 (UTC)

Ok, how about I comment inbetween the intro and the sig? Anyway, hello there. I'm also from Hungary, so I have no idea why I'm talking to you in English in the first place, but anyway, I wonder if you'd want a little summer job and we'd do something about WP's Hungarian version?
-- Ralesk 21:34 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I keep the discussion English to make it possible for others to understand it.

Hello Ralesk! First please read the intlwiki-l mail archieve because I already asked/discussed this with Brion and he told me that the conversion needs some time. I want to contact the guy making the dumps to give me the actual hungarian dump, then I hope I can either do some rudimentary conversion and provide it to Brion to create the hunipedia and let it start rocking or I'll ask him (in case of failing to get the dump) to start it from the scratch. My email is grin (kukac) grin (pötty) hu, if you need to contact me in the meantime.

Since Brion is dewikipediated till 23 jun I believe this won't be resolved before that date. Let's see whether I can get the dump until then! --grin 07:43 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Progress update: I got the dump of old HU, it is crap. I asked Brion to install a new one. Until then see m:user:grin for translation information. Basically I started to translate the php, and doing it in small chunks (time constraints...)... -- grin 09:53 4 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Progress update: It works now. Go and update!

INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK

... To err is human, to fix is divine

igen. nem tudom, hogy igy kell-e valaszolni. nem ismerem jol a rendszert.

szia, PeterFoldiak

Szia! Igen, igy is lehet valaszolni, vagy email a grin kukac tolna.net-re. A lenyeg: nezd meg a http://hu.wikipedia.org/ cimet, illetve ott a grin usert. De most ket hetig szabin leszek, ugyhogy addig nem tudok segiteni; de ha kerdesed van (barmi!) akkor ott a grin user vitalapjan (vagy ha egyszerubb, akkor itt) tedd fel, es valaszolni fogok ra. --grin 10:43 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hello. I'm from Japanese Wikipedia. I saw your message at talk:Main_Page (well, Japanese equivalent of that) [1]. As a responce to your message, some have already created a page ja:Wikipedia:Contact_us_for_non-japanese-speakers. Please feel free to inform us of your problems in detail.

If communicating to him is a problem, I can think of a following:

You would tell us a message to the IP user.
We translate it on japanese wikipedia.
You would block the user, with the message "kochira wo goran kudasai: (+URL)" meaning "please take a look at this."
For the URL part, you can point to the page on Japanese Wikipedia where the message to the user is shown (in Japanese), and where the user can possibly reply.

Or you may have a better idea. I am even not sure about the nature and scope of the problem. (From the few edits I checked, it seems that the IP user was working only on interwiki linking.)

Regards, Tomos 08:29, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)

reply on User_talk:Tomos

Hi. Your English is great, just a little alien-sounding, that's all. And it's a lot better than my Hungarian. Deb 17:52, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. :-) It's probaby because I am lazy to look the perfect word up, so I write something with other words and leave to fine people to make it perfect. And I am an alien, you know. --grin 08:28, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Grin;

Has the vandalism over yet? Just in case you have not heard of it, here is a new feature that I found would be helpful for your situation. meta:Range blocks

Best,

Tomos 19:55, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Nothing bad happened since then, thanks. Range blocks are nice, thanks, too. --grin 12:15, 2004 Mar 1 (UTC)

Good to hear. Vandals are usually less persistent than wikipedians. :-) Tomos

[edit] Press Release

I see you contributed to the creation of the press release. Might you be willing to follow these steps, and send off the press release? -- user:zanimum

It still needs finalizing, I didn't have the time, and not much anyone else contributes. :-/ As soon as I'm confident it's ready I'll send it out to national press. --grin 21:42, 2004 Mar 6 (UTC)

[edit] X SAMPA

Well I did all the uploading by hand on en. I have all the files here on my computer so it wouldn't be hard for me to upload them to hu... (and nowhere near as time consuming as making the blooming things was!) you'd need to tell me what to put in the edit summary though. Something like "IPA symbol from w:en:Image:Ipa-chart-all-1000px.png. Original image drawn by w:en:User:Nohat." and whatever msg you use to say they're GFDL. fabiform | talk 14:21, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Your user name makes me imagine you grinning evilly after every comment you make... I'm going to trust that you're not making me say "user:fabiform is an idiot" on a hundred or so edit summaries. ;) fabiform | talk 17:24, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

All done. A couple of the diacretics have "or" written on the images though, which you might want to modify. fabiform | talk 21:33, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I'll fix the 'or' pages and the text in general. --grin 19:26, 2004 Mar 13 (UTC)

Grin: I created a redirect at Computer Engineer pointing to Computer engineering, since your link above on this page was broken... ;) —Tkinias 22:43, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! :-) --g

[edit] Huh?

Hi. Your User page reads:

timwi inserts these [1 E10 m²|93,030 km²]]

What does that mean? — Timwi 14:58, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

:-) Yes, he does indeed. You have changed lots of /sup/2\sup\ to that, and I was surprised that they worked, and then I realised that it is indeed a part of the iso-8859-1, so doesn't break on en:, so I recorded it for myself. :-) --grin 12:17, 2004 Apr 5 (UTC)

[edit] hu-interwiki link on german wiki

Hi,

you requested an interwiki link to hu on the german main page. The german wiki had an voting on this links and decided to not have them on the main page at all. Only with the change to monobook some where allowed to return. The criteria seems to be, that wikis with more than 10000 arcticles are allowed to be interwikilinked on the main page. So, if you want to have a link to hu, you only need to write 10000 articles in the hungarian wiki. --195.93.73.7 07:13, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The policy has changed, now also small languages of special interest to German readers are allowed. There are links to Turkish, Kurdish, Slovenian, Russian and others. Surely there should also be a link to Hungarian, due to the close ties between Hungary and the German-speaking world. 83.109.182.10 14:19, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Fundraising banner on hu:

Dear grin,

Please translate the fundraising banner notice on hu: into Hungarian. That is, translate the following text:

To help support Wikipedia, please visit 
<a href="http://wikimediafoundation.org/fundraising">the 
fundraising page</a>, or read about <a 
href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/What_we_use_the_money_for">what 
we use the money for</a>.

and edit it into the blank template at this URL: http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=MediaWiki:Fundraising_notice&action=edit

Thank you. +sj + 10:25, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

You're welcome. --grin ✎ 15:01, 2004 Jul 16 (UTC)

[edit] Your message on the pump

about latin templates. It is something related to internationalization of the taxoboxes, I believe. Basically it is supposed to be that you could copy and paste the taxobox from one language wikipedia to another without changing it, because the template would be filled in differently in each language... please ask at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Tree of Life if you want to know more. Pcb21| Pete 23:22, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Petzval

So by chance I've found an Hungarian editor! I'd like to ask for help on Jozef Maximilián Petzval (and de:Josef Maximilian Petzval). Some mathematican has to fill out more about his achievements there, but the interseting fact is, that I've found (only) one reference on the WWW, that After graduating from the University Petzval was appointed to the city of Pest as an expert in flood prevention and drainage. He undertook this work for seven years and showed reals talents in his job [2]. I've found this quite remarkable, but giving the spare source material I've found, I'd like to ask for some details or just a confirmation. Perhaps you or someone you know can locate a source in Hungarian and give a short english summary? Pjacobi 09:45, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Interesting. I check and notify our maths-maniac editor about this quest. :-) I'll report back if I find something. Nag me if I forget it. :) --grin ✎ 18:06, 2004 Jul 27 (UTC)

[edit] Umm.... sorry

Sorry about the message in cleanup... I can alter this if you'd like. I guess all I can say is: your English is better than my Hungarian! And Chinese and Japanese and French and... well, you get what I mean :-) - Ta bu shi da yu 10:34, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

No offense taken (after the first 5 seconds). :) Just keep in mind that many of us aren't native English but trying hard to spel :)) Thanks again for fixing. --grin ✎ 22:54, 2004 Jul 30 (UTC)

[edit] hun <--> eng

http://tranexp.com:2000/

Thanks, but it's only good for providing fellow editors a good laugh. The results range from terrible to incomprehensible. --grin ✎ 19:49, 2004 Nov 9 (UTC)

[edit] Beloruski

Hello I was looking at user:Rydell's talkpage and saw that he is trying to do the same in the Hungarian wikipedia as he is trying to do in the Dutch. Change his country's name. Waerth 09:44, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I suspect so. His reasons are good, and we voted about it, and got an ambiguous result... yet to be decided. --grin ✎ 21:30, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)

Crap deleted.

Stop polluting my pages, stupid people. You both have userpages, pick one and discuss there! --grin ✎ 17:33, 2004 Nov 19 (UTC)

Bocsánat, grin. I moved the stuff to my talk page. --rydel 23:00, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Bautzen

was it you on my (Sicherlich) talk page? if not forget this here ;) ... I uploaded the sound-file on commons .. so every wikipedia can use it .. if an wikipedia does not want it it can be removed by the wiki-principle ...i dont have any personal emotions with this file. for the "or 2 words out of 1000 as random pick isn't really useful" .. i cant agree .. that´s the wikipedia way .. someone starts somewhere .. if there is a guideline i have missed it so far ;o)... Sicherlich 23:07, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

That's why I signed. :) I understand, but do you plan to provide every pronounciation of every possible german words on every wikipedia? Apart from that (which is basically nitpicking and thus not nice of me) I believe you should concentrate on "hard" words, which have unusual pronounciation and they're more or less relevant. I am not sure "Bautzen" is such relevant word, probably most people would try to spell "Schubert" or "Geothe" (and fail) earlier than "Bautzen" :-) But generally Hungarians aren't problematic. Still, no harm done, we removed the link since we did not really plan to do that, but the idea is interesting anyway, so maybe I'll put it back (but in a section at the end, as "misc information"). So, summarizing: thank you for the link! :-) --grin ✎ 09:28, 2004 Nov 21 (UTC)

[edit] arb

Contributing: Ambi, Ed Poor aka Uncle Ed, Fennec, The Cunctator, Theresa knott

[edit] Screenshots

Hi. It seems, screenshots are usually fair use ([3]), and screenshots from microsoft cannot be modified ([4]). I added the screenshot tags on te commons again. -- Chris 73 Talk 00:02, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

Sorry for being picky about this, and I am not a legal expert, but wouldn't the operating system be a software, which would be copyright to Commodore International? I am pretty sure that microsoft considers its windows and MS-Dos operating systems copyrighted. (see [5]). Personally, I think only screenshots of free programs can be used at the commons, i.e. Linux, Firefox, or OpenOffice.org, which would be licensed as GFDL. Maybe we should put this issue on the village pump at the commons. Also thanks for creating the commons:Template:Free screenshot, which I will use for GFDL/PD software. -- Chris 73 Talk 12:27, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

You seen my comment about fair use and commons: they're not "allowed", so it's right that "fair use" should be removed, but we needed the distinction between "fair use screenshots" and "free screenshots".
Your question is good, but I believe it doesn't apply to most of the cases. If the screenshot is about the OS then the owner of the OS can (and probably will) complain. If the screenshot is about a program (for example the most common case is when the screen isn't wholly visible, or there are not OS specific features on it) then I do not believe that the OS creators have anything to claim about the picture. On that particular C64 image there is basically nothing from the OS (unless you count that combination of border and background color part of the OS, which is by my reckoning would be ridiculous, unpatentable and uncopyrightable) and the picture shows a free program only, so I am reasonably sure that such pictures are okay.

Good example of the above can be any screenshot of FireFox on windoze. I'd say that if there's only FireFox visible (with window decorations), or if it's not the capture of the whole screen containing windoze OS parts (start button and panel, etc) then it's free and micro$oft have zero rights on that. If you would capture their program (office) or the windoze desktop, then it is probably their ©opyright violation. If you make a full screen shot with FireFox in the middle and all the windoze cruft around it, well, it's probably better not to tag it as free, or even better to cut away the micro$hit parts.

In case of an OS without visual hints (like C=64) I don't think it's a question. ;-)

But feel free to ask around, especially on wikipedia-legal. --grin ✎ 16:59, 2004 Nov 30 (UTC)

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
Multi-Licensing Guide
Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

[edit] It's back again!

The fake Hephaestos account from Magyar Wikipedia, Hephaestos Dies. This time it seems to have been different or something because I saw to fake pictures of him. -- Mike Garica 04:53, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Hungary

of course! it's a lovely country. I was being comically imagining there would be wanted-posters with my face plastered all over Budapest train station :o) Anyway, this RfC is leading nowhere, and I'm putting it on WP:RFAr. regards, dab (ᛏ) 12:02, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

btw, I do think afu is Hungarian, although expatriate (I used to think he was Maracz himself, but that's unlikely, because he seems to be fluent in German, but is not active on nl:. I suppose he is a native speaker of Hungarian, with a good knowledge of English, and at least a working knowledge of German). re arbitration, I may have to drudge through mediation, judging from the arbitrators' comments. It's all very silly and a sad waste of time, but I suppose I can't just walk away now. dab (ᛏ) 10:54, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I suppose such ardent nationalism in expatriates is quite a common phenomenon. I think it is akin to an effect in religion, viz. that e.g. the most militant muslims are almost invariably from areas where muslims are a minority: it is an effect of feeling beleaguered or marginalized. I am now quite interested in the topic, and I wonder how appropriate Ruhlen's description of "wild unfettered Romanticism" in 19th century Hungary really is (Finno-Ugric_languages#History). Evidently, a fair number of are still stuck in this 1800s mindset... dab (ᛏ) 11:55, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Belarus

Congratulations on making the first successful clone. ;) After you added the Hungarian link, Belarus page somehow cloned itself. I tried to remove that, but it still shows two copies. I wonder how we can fix that. --rydel 14:35, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: hu.wp logo

The change looks good, as does the test. --Zigger 17:47, 2005 Jan 24 (UTC)

[edit] interwikiconflict

Please see information about eo:Aborigeno - ru:Абориген conflict. Best regards Gangleri | Th | T 20:22, 2005 Mar 15 (UTC)

[edit] User catagorization

You were listed in the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Hungary page as living in or being associated with Hungary. As part of the Wikipedia:User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in Hungary for instructions. JesseW 22:14, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] GrinBot

I have approved your bot to run a trial run of one week. Please continue to run your bot until someone cites a complaint about it. If a complaint is made, please stop your bot, resolve the issue, and note it at Wikipedia talk:Bots. Thank you. --AllyUnion (talk) 06:12, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Acknowledged. Thanks. --grin ✎ 16:16, 2005 September 2 (UTC)

[edit] GrinBot messing up interwikis

Hi Grin. Thanks for running your interwiki bot, but it's been causing a few problems with its deprecated interwiki syntax. For example, see this edit where a link is added to nb:. The code for the Norwegian Bokmål Wikipedia is no:, and nb: links just point to no:, so that page ends up with two links to the same page. I don't think there's any reason to use nb: at all these days. Another problem, as in this edit is the addition of deprecated minnan: links. This was the old code for the Min Nan Wikipedia, and unlike the no:/nb: issue, minnan: doesn't even work any more, instead leaving a mess at the bottom of the page. The correct code is zh-min-nan:, and in that example such a link was already present, but the bot failed to notice it and added the wrong syntax anyway. There seem to be a couple of other issues, such as this strange edit. I don't know if that was a MediaWiki attribution error or some kind of edit conflict or what. I'm not sure why your bot is doing these things but they do need to be cleared up. Thanks. — Trilobite 19:16, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, I'll look into the mentioned issues, and unless I figure out why these irregularities happen GrinBot won't update the links. --grin ✎ 12:31, 2005 September 12 (UTC)

The issue with nb and minnan has been resolved now. The 'strange error' you mention is more problematic. As far as I can judge, it happens when the same bot is being run twice on overlapping pages. What then can happen is this:

The bot (run A) loads the page
The bot (run B) loads the page
Someone else edits the page
The bot (run A) tries to save the page. The Mediawiki software notices that there is an edit conflict and resolves it. The changes of the other person and the bot get merged correctly.
The bot (run B) tries to save the page. For some reason the Mediawiki software now does NOT notice that there is an edit conflict. The version of the page submitted by bot B is put on the page, which means that bot B is now reverting the other person's edit.

I will be making a bug report on Bugzilla, and warn the bot users about this problem, advising them to avoid running the bot twice unless they know the two copies won't edit the same page. - Andre Engels 22:00, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I will not run more than one instance anyway. Seems to be ok now. --grin ✎ 22:51, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi grin. I got your message about the fixing of the bot. As far as I can see from my very brief inspection it is working fine now. Thanks a lot. — Trilobite 22:31, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] science pearls

Hi Grin, What do you think of this summary?

The science pearls project is an effort to identify to notable publications in biology, physics and other areas. Its final goal is help learning about the height science had reached and to allow access to the publications that led him to them. Your contribution is welcomed. APH from the English wiki

APH 08:51, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Done, insterted. --grin ✎ 19:44, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. APH 07:44, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Engineering Wiki

Engineering Wiki is a wiki entirely dedicated to collecting information about Engineering. I invite you to join this wiki.

[edit] RfC against 86.105.71.34

Hi Grin,

I'm putting together an RfC against anonymous user 86.105.71.34, who I think has engaged in several types of misconducts on Wikipedia, especially on Transylvania, Romania, Republic of Moldova, Romanian language. I'm writing to you because you attempted to solve one or more of those issues on the user's talk page. If you endorse this RfC, or have anything to add to the statement of dispute, please sign and share your comments at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/86.105.71.34. Thanks, IulianU 00:05, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Grin, could you weigh in at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/86.105.71.34#How_to_proceed? -- Jmabel | Talk 18:42, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Why did you break the link?

Twas an accident (I think the links were not working before I changed them, but they were broken after I messed with them too). It has already been fixed. Broken S 21:30, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your bot

Your bot removed an image of Mehmed II. Great! Now what? Where do we find another image of Mehmed? Sure, there was no info on its copyright status, but big deal! --Anittas 23:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Answer on your talk page. --grin ✎ 10:46, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dog

Just an FYI - Your bot changed the think on Dog from simple:Dog link to be simple:Little doggie smell my shit. oops. :) - Trysha ^(talk) 22:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Answer on the talk page. --grin ✎ 10:46, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mehmed II

This is what I meant: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mehmed_II&diff=31813995&oldid=31667580 --Anittas 11:08, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Ugh, oops, sorry! :p --Anittas 13:59, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fellow Hungarian contributor

Hello. I'm Hungarian as well, and you might remember me from the Hungarian WP. I would appreciate it if you added me to your Hungarian editor list — I don't want to mercilessly edit user-run pages :) I can translate as well, although in the past year-and-a-half, I've not been terribly active. I intend to change that, however! hu: Helló. Tegeződhetünk? Én is magyar vagyok és talán emlékszel is rám a magyar WP-ből. Szeretném ha hozzáadnál a magyar szerkesztők listájához — nem akartam könyörtelenül beleszerkeszteni az oldaladba :) Fordítani is tudok; igaz a múlt másfél évben nem voltam túl aktív. De ezen szeretnék változtatni! —UED77 03:51, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Broken bot

Hi, could you fix your bot; in some cases it adds erroneus interwiki links. For example, see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Braga&action=history. Grinbot should not have re-added the es: link which I had removed earlier (the articles are not about the same city). I also had earlier removed the link from the es: article pointing to the en: article, so that should not have caused the bot to do that. --Jonik 18:15, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. Very unfortunately the bot is not broken (see talk:braga), but the human inserted link is. Reverting it would require efforts, I try to help but cannot promise anything. --grin ✎ 10:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Erbium

Similarly, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erbium&diff=prev&oldid=52779511 The bad backlink to en:erbium at no:ER was removed some time ago, shouldn't the bot stop adding this? Femto 10:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

No. [Un]Fortunately the bot cannot remove a language, only replace it if it has been corrected. The norwegian link was propagated from somewhere, but it was simply removed and not replaced, and it was not removed from all wikipedias. This won't work.

Either someone removes every bad iw link from every language, or replace it with a proper one, otherwise the bad link simply gets propagated back as you may have noticed. I removed it from huwp, but it is going to be repropagated from other languages. If there is a correct norwegian link it should be used. --grin ✎ 21:26, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Aw, I hoped it was some kind of database lag from a changed link something. Then another bot added it again after yours. I would classify it as a genuine bug (or, feature); is this issue known by the developers of the bot? Things would be easier to fix if there were backlinks in the edit summary to the pages that cause a new inclusion, for example. No, there is no norwegian link, yet, but I know the right people to ask. Femto 11:37, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately this is a much more complex problem: the bot is correct.

First: it must not remove links, since it's just a bot so can't tell whether the link was _bad_ or just omitted.

Then the bots (any of them) going to readd it no matter what since it is there somewhere, until it has been removed from all referenced articles in every language, which I just cannot do with the current software. (I have asked the guys to create a module for that, and I just remined them again but I wouldn't hold my breath.)

Edit summary cannot reflect the source of the backlink since the bot gathers sometimes _hundreds_ of backlinks for every article which would not really fit, and the gather process is not linear anyway. The bad pages can be found but I yet to find a method to fix them fast, as going manually around is very tiresome.

Just for the curious, the current screwup to be fixed at:

WARNING: wikipedia: [[lt:Erbis]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[cs:Erbium]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[th:เออร์เบียม]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[pl:Erb]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[ja:エルビウム]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[nl:Erbium]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[pt:Érbio]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[io:Erbio]] does not link to [[cs:Erbium]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[zh:铒]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[eo:Erbio]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[el:Έρβιο]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[es:Erbio]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[et:Erbium]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[ca:Erbi]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[it:Erbio]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[sl:Erbij]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[sr:Ербијум]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[sv:Erbium]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[ko:어븀]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[he:ארביום]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[fr:Erbium]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[de:Erbium]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]
WARNING: wikipedia: [[uk:Ербій]] links to incorrect [[no:ER]]

sigh* --grin ✎ 12:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Now we're talking. Removed them (all, I hope). Femto 13:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Did you do it manually or by some, well, OtherMeans? Just asking because this is just an example of the problem, there were indications of bad links from time to time. I can gather such lists, but only semi-automatically, if the bad link is provided. --grin ✎ 13:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, just a combination of tabbed browsing and supersonic mouse shoving abilities. =) Femto 14:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The chemistry article no:Erbium does not yet exist, and who knows when it may exist. The disambiguation page no:ER was created 03-mar-2006 [6]. From day 1 it contained, per usual, an interwiki link to the disambiguation page en:ER. The back link was added 12-apr-2006 [7]. However, from day 2 of the no:ER article, bots added interwiki links to various Erbium articles and back. I tried to prevent it, but it didn't stop until the above mentioned supersonic mouse shoving.
Bots may have developed since this, but shouldn't bots anyway spot conflicts while making interwiki links and ask the operator, e.g. "Master, should I really replace the link from no:ER to en:ER with a link to en:Erbium?" I realize that robots perform as programmed, but I thought the detection of conflicts was one of the main check points of interwiki bots, so that this type of incorrect links should not have been propagated. Where is (was) the fault? --Eddi (Talk) 21:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grinbot Interwikis

I'm helping Bluemoose develop the AutoWikiBrowser, a semi-automated non-bot, and one its functions is to alphabetize interwiki links. I noticed in this edit that the Grinbot alphatzies as follows: af, ar, an, ast, bg, be, bs... Shouldn't "ar" go after "an" since n comes before r in the alphabet (the same with bg and be)? The AWB alphabetizes in alphabetical order, instead (e.g., af, an, ar...). Is there any reason why the GrinBot does not, and, if there is, do you suggest that the AWB should do the same? — MATHWIZ2020 ^{TALK | CONTRIBS}

The code says en: uses alphabetical order by native language names, as follows:

       self.alphabetic = [
           'aa','ab','af','als','am','ang','ar','an','roa-rup','as','arc','ast','av','ay',
           'az','bg','bm','minnan','zh-min-nan','ba','be','bn','bh','bi','bo',
           'bs','br','ca','ceb','cv','ch','chr','ny','sn','cho','co','cs','cy','da','de',
           'dv','dz','et','el','en','es','eo','eu','ee','fa','fo','fj','fr',
           'fy','ff','fur','ga','gv','gd','gl','got','gn','gu','ko','ht','ha','haw',
           'hy','hi','hr','io','ik','ilo','id','ia','ie','iu','xh','zu','is','it','he',
           'jv','kl','kn','ka','kap','kk','csb','ks','kw','km','ky','rn','sw','ku',
           'lad','lo','la','lv','lt','lb','li','ln','jbo','lg','lmo','hu','mk','mg',
           'ml','mt','mi','mr','ms','mn','mo','mus','my','nah','na','nv','nap','ng',
           'nl','cr','ne','nds','ja','pih','no','nb','nn','oc','or','om','os','ug',
           'pi','ps','nds','pl','pt','pa','ro','rm','qu','ru','se','sm','sa','sg',
           'sc','sco','st','sq','sh','scn','si','simple','sd','ss','sk','sl','sr',
           'su','fi','sv','tl','tg','ta','tt','te','th','ti','tlh','vi',
           'tokipona','tpi','to','ts','tk','tum','tr','tw','udm','bug','uk','ur',
           'ug','uz','ve','vec','vo','wa','war','wo','ts','yi','yo','za','zh',
           'zh-cn','zh-tw']

I cannot advice for or against it, but pywikipediabot usually tries to follow local wikipedia conventions, so I would assume this is the correct behaviour. If you need further advices from the code (like many local wikis using revised order, or english first order, or something completely different which suits that language better) either check pywikipediabot or tell me and I'll send over the code fragments to you. --grin ✎ 10:24, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

See here, where the decision was that interwiki links are best sorted alphabetically by the code, which is usually taken from ISO 3166-2. The problem is that there is no standard collation order when names are even in the same alphabet (some languages sort diacritics differently, see here), never mind when some are in different alphabet. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 10:39, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

The same here. I sorted the interwiki links for identity matrix (and added an LV link) but the User:GrinBot mixed them back. :\ --Knakts 10:54, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sig

Any reason your signature links to [[grin]] instead of [[User:Grin|grin]]? By the way no need to notify, I usually watch talk pages. Femto 15:07, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Thanks. --grin ✎ 00:05, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bot and Language

In watching cartography I see that your bot added a link to scn:Cartugrafìa. It's a hidden link, I guess. What purpose does it serve, where can I read more about it, and why have it if we can't see it? They're all noob questions, I know, but hey, I am what I am. Scoutersig 04:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Your bot messed up several year articles by moving the interwiki links between the angle brackets of a noinclude tag. For example, see this and this. --Bkkbrad 20:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey Q

Have you ever been to the Southern Hemisphere? Reply here. Deadline for entries is December 15th, PST.AstroBoy 04:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interwiki bot

Hi! I noticed that you are listed as running an interwiki bot here. If it is still active, and you are editing alphabetically, please visit WikiProject Interwiki, which I created as a project to coordinate the bots to decrease overlap. If you like the idea, sign up there and visit Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Interwiki to let me know you'll join up. You can also say that you're working on a section in User:ST47/WikiProject Interwiki/Assignments, then follow the directions there when you've finished. If the sections I've made are too large, feel free to split one up. Thanks! ST47Talk 11:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

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