Talk:Grime

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[edit] early comments

Is this one of those trendy (one-hit-wonder) genres ? Beside Dizzee Rascal, I haven't heard anything great ... How can you measure success and popularity in the genre domain ? --DynV 10:12, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

um...GRIME ANYONE?>

fixed the page up a bit, i'll fix it up even more til its on par with the reggaeton entry. Justinhoude 04:25, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] genre box

Nice article on grime, although I think it could do with some of those little genre boxes that can be found on the [2 step] page, in fact, there should probably also be a link between the two. I'll get on it if I've got time. illWill 20:03, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah we need to work out what sort of box. I've added the tag at the top which links us into the genres wikiproject. Most of the articles off Breakbeat are a mess. Is grime a sub-genre of 2 step? Secretlondon 21:14, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

"during this period Nu Shape "A new music Genre" as it has always been branded, created another more mature strain of MC based garage music, incorporating vocalists and UK accented "Hip Hop" MCs much in the same way as Nasty Crew, Ghetto, Kano, Doctor, Unorthodox currently lay down their version of Grime music, among them all, none of them like/promote the "Government name for UK" street music.

They don't like the name "Grime" or "Urban", so soon the name will no longer be called Grime, due to the fact that the London scene is saying no to "Grime"... "

this is bullshit... remove it!

[edit] definitional

Correct me if I'm wrong here, and I may well be so I haven't edited the article, but I have heard a fair amount of grime and don't think I've ever heard breakbeats in any of it.

MC_FAQR writin' here

Nah man i hear about grime and stuff and it's a sub-genre of garage. But to me I jus think it's just england hip hop. the grimey instrumentals can be called garage (examples: wiley- gunshot riddim etc..)

aye, grime is definitly an evolution from uk garage, although somewhat confusingly UK Garage redirects to 2Step which then notes that "2Step [is] one of the two major sub-genres of UK Garage". 2Step also notes "the media started to call this fast-played garage music "Speed Garage", 2Step's predecessor.", but Speed garage also redirects to 2Step. --MilkMiruku 08:56, 16 September 2005 (UTC)


it's really debate-able 'cause west coast hip hop is an evolution of hip hop, so is east coast hip hop, crunk music and so on....

grime is...... a clash between GARAGE (drum n' bass and shit like that) and HIP HOP.

Imma do an article on ROll Deep Crew


whagwarn blud? Your little intro to grime is good, if a little short. I follow he grime scene quite closely, and i can fill in some big holes that confound the article into giving only a slice of whats happening. grime is now winning mobo's (kano - best new artist, Pow by lethal b - best single) and roll deep have surprised everyone with their album 'in at the deep end'. New MC's come and go on the underground all the time, Grime is now on a national (and legal!) radio station (logan sama on kiss FM) and another thing that could do with mentioning is mix DVD's that often come with mix cd's or albums. These have sold in their thousands and more come out every week.

I will do a full edit of the main article soon, if theirs any objections post them here and we can sort something out. i just want to get some facts down before i edit anything, and like most fledgling genre's, facts are hard to pin down. (like the release date of the mobo winning POW by lethal b, the record had been in certain shops for at least 3 months before the "official" release date.) p.s. Grime is NOT uk hip hop. there is a large difference.

WTF do u mean grime is not uk hip hop? What do you call crunk music then? Crunk is a sub genre of Hip Hop as to grime is a subgenre of hip hop.

--Na UK hip hop is older and much different, grime didnt really evolve from Uk hip hop either more from garage. Listen to artists like jehst and roots manovre then listen to wiley or crazy titch and youll see the diffeerence, grime is usually rapped over double time, uk hip hop isnt

whadya mean whadya mean you fool!
go on den go on den draw for the tool!
-skepta- new member of roll deep and also a member of the meridian crew.

Michael Ray wrote: I would speculate that Grime is influenced by Hip Hop only by the fact that is has people rapping over the music, but the music itself is from Garage. Garage and Hip Hop from the UK both coexisted, and UK hip hop still exists and it does not sound anything like Grime. It sounds like Hip Hop. Grime music is "rave" music.

Grime is a sub genre of hip hop drum and bass and garage but is constantly changing to incorparate many different musical styles (check out roll deep's in at the deep end) but the main thing is that theres hard core rap in it tht is the starting point and artists can go anywhere from there so theres no point tryna define it coz wot it is now isnt wot its gunna b tomotrrow!!!!!! Ps mike skinner GRIME? wtf (posted by MC NAH MAN yorkshire)

grime is in fact a moving target, based on a set of styles, and a genuine european development. not known enough is the role of grime videos on local cable tv. so maybe, instead of naming it "stateside" as if this genre would spread out globally like "house music" did, it would be better to speak here of US grime as one speaks of UK hiphop. it is likely that grime has an influence on existing production which then becomes more "grimey", which is not to be misunderstood with the original or it's "karaoke versions" :) added also a few useful sources, the main blog for grime and a source to download legitimate DJ sets from an international grimeparty... let's not put record labels into the list for obious reasons. --Pitsch 17:05, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Straight Flush

Okay, just makin sure but ain't that track Twista rapped on called Straight Flush by Low Deep? by the way, pitsch, i live in the states so I call it alternative hip hop. I'm not gonna edit the article but there are more Grime MC's that need to be mentioned like Kano, Mike Skinner, L.Man, N Double A...... and that allstar producers riddim (highly flammable). mention producers like davinche, skepta, big ED, danny weed etc....

answer: "Straight Flush" is the name of the instrumental version that came out last year on the underground label Colourful State. "What We Do" is the full vocal version out now on Gana Records. Kray Twinz put the whole thing together and bought the credit rights.

[edit] External links

how about these external links? where is the boundary between central and ephemeral links?

[edit] List of grime artists

I started a list of grime MCs, DJs, and producers. Please add to it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grime_artists

[edit] Grime's Tempo?

I'm quite proficient with most styles of music & pop music history. . . but I'm not that familiar with Grime, so bear with me. But the following introductory sentence is so open-ended & vague that it borders on nonsense:

"Grime's tempo varies between 68 and 150 beats per minute."


That's similar to saying "Sports cars can travel between 2 and 300 miles per hour."


I'd recommend that someone who knows more about this genre either edit the sentence or remove it.

grimes tempo is 140-145 bpm usualy

standard kid united kingdome

[edit] Sort it out

This whole article is extremley elitist, mainly written by someone attempting to make a rather unoriginal point about commercialism. Could someone with more knowledge on the subject tidy it up in a more neutral manner? Adamshappy 01:26, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Not strictly true, because I added a a couple of paragraphs to the main article, so it's not been written by one person.--Escaper7 11:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

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what idiot posted their lame ass myspace link in the middle of the article?

[edit] POV

POV tag added because this needs a total copyedit, restructure and neutrality overhaul beyond the simple cleanup tag. The worst offenders are sentences like: "The name Grime was coined by people who have no understanding of the current social need for "untouched" creative art within the UK "inner city" communities, which consists of a predominantly young black population." - That is not encyclopaedic text. The article is riddled with similar stuff. I will have a go at it at some point. Jdcooper 16:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

  • It needs more than that - it needs to be edited into actual English. I can't understand a fucking word this shit says. It even lacks a clear definition - get someone who's never heard of "grime" before to read that, then ask them what "grime" is. They'll be none the wiser, and maybe even less clear than before.--211.74.4.35 15:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite

OK, i have done an extensive rewrite of this article, keeping as much factual information i could and restructuring it significantly. The major casualty was the POV original research essay about the name and what it should be, and who calls it what, apart from that most of the information is kept pretty much the same. I would ask that if people disagree with anything I've done, please discuss it here before reverting, that is much more constructive and useful. Otherwise, comments? Jdcooper 17:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Fantastic job, much improved. I do think that some of the statements need verifying "The emergence of grime is intrinsically connected to its origins on UK pirate radio..." How do we know this or check this, who says so? verifiability. it may be in one of the linked websites but. It's still a whole load better.--Escaper7 07:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC) nb: I've tidied up some of the links and added one note

[edit] North Amerikan Grime??

wwhere on earth did that section go? I remember I started up with that section... You know there is a grime station in Hamilton, Ontario Canada? and DJ Whoa-B in Chicago? And the BIG crew i beleive it is in New York? who deleted that section? put it back up—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.56.123.110 (talk • contribs) 1 Aug 2006.

Obviously anyone can edit articles so you can't just tell someone to 'put it back up'. Incidentally I didn't remove it, but if it's a subject you have knowledge of, why not start a new article, or go back through your own contributions and cut and paste your section into a new sub-section... but the article is about Grime not North American Grime so maybe best to start off a new article. Escaper7 10:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
There is (or at least was) a section on regional variations, probably best to go there, but please source any additions you make regarding notable local scenes, because this article suffers terribly from vanity and unverifiability. Jdcooper 11:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up work

Can someone source this as fact, then stick it back into the article please: Grime, respective to certain areas of London, noticeably in the South East of the Thames, is becoming more and more popular, with amateur artists and 'krews' spitting verses on behalf of their members and commonly dissing other areas, usually resulting in a widespread battle, however not always between zones. e.g. Dizzee Rascal vs Crazy Titch...Shystie vs Lady Fury.

It's an interesting point but if you knew nothing about the music or the culture, would you understand this? Escaper7 10:43, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

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