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Contents

[edit] My contributions

[edit] Japan

Japan

Yokohama (wards of Yokohama, various) including Sankeien

[edit] Law

Michigan State University College of Law - new section

Michigan State University

[edit] Religion

Exmormonism

Lost Boys of Polygamy - original article

YFZ Ranch - original article

Bill McKeever - original article

Jeffrey Nielsen original article

[edit] Talk to me

Japanese and Asian Studies, huh? Cool! Are you fluent in Japanese?Dianelowe 02:00, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm totally fluent. Greenw47 04:59, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nice to see you here

We need more exmo's to confront the POV edits rife in the mormon articles. Remember to ignore the wiki editors behind the curtain using NPOV as a bully pulpit. Use it against them, as they are unable to see that their own point of view is marginalized and out of touch. Don't give them a single inch or they'll take a mile. -vegasbright

[edit] Thanks again

Regardless of how you personally feel about me, I appreciate your cooperation, apparent level-headedness and openness to work though the issues at Exmormonism. I've been trying for a long time to get someone to engage in such a dialogue as you have done, and most of the existing exmormon wikipedians don't want to touch the page, as other exmormons have been pretty hard on them and their edits. Your work is much appreciated. It is my goal to get this article ready to be a featured article candidate, and I really think we have good shot at it, as we work together and with other never been Mormon Wikipedians. Regardless of what you think my intent is, how much you may or may not like me personally, thank-you for your work. Keep it up, and happy editing. -Visorstuff 20:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Considering your making most of the edits I dont see your point. -Vegasbright

Thanks, I think we can come up with a nice, readable page. Here's to working together. :) Greenw47 16:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Vegasbright, welcome back. Not sure who your comment is for (either myself of Greenw47), but wanted to help clarify. As of 03:47, 11 May 2006, there have been 363 edits to the page as seen here [1]. User:166.70.243.229 leads with has 109 edits, and Greenw47 is second in edits with 76. I rank a bit farther down with only 33 edits. Of the 47 unique editors on the page at least 19 are known exmormons, 4 are mormon, 3 are known nevermormons, and the rest unknown, but from their edits (spelling, grammar, etc.) are likely unaffiliated with Mormonism or exmormon. Knowing my possible POV, I've tried to recruit other known exmormons to edit, rather than myself. The result has been contradictory edits, and unsourced ancedotes. I do have research in this area that I'll eventually add in, but I want to run my thoughts past exmormons prior to doing so, to ensure NPOV. Incidentally, comments for me are welcome at my talk page. Happy editing. -Visorstuff 19:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Green, your magic touch is needed on the anti-Mormon page, which labels critics as anti-Mormons while denying it in the same article. It was cited from the exmormon entry. Thanks and keep up the good work. Anon166 23:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll take a look at it. Greenw47 17:35, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
OK, that's in even worse condition than the Exmormonism article was. I never thought I'd say that. It's going to take a lot of work. But that's not to say it can't be done. Greenw47 18:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
They've already reverted several edits, alluding that it's anti- or opposed to Mormonism. I find it unbelievable they passed themselves off as wikipedian know-it-alls while making that anti-Mormon page. I once gave them more credit that they believed in for themselves. Never again. Note how the article contradicts itself from paragraph to paragraph while labeling critics. I think a {{Contradict tag is in order. Anon166 18:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alma 30

I do oppose removing the NPOV tag from the Exmormon article. One case in point where I would ask you to look at. Alma 30 and Korihor continues to be used to support actions that are not supported by the chapter. ANON 166 insists that it shows if you go against church authority, you will be cursed. This is his opening statement and it has nothing to do with Korihor. I would disagree on the following grounds:

  1. the support for the statement is where Korihor accuses Alma of getting fat off the support of the people, to which Alma states he earns his keep by his own labor. That is the sole support for the claim.
  2. Korihor is mainly about denying the prophecies regarding Christ i.e. past prophecies. It is not about contradicting leadership.
  3. How does an analogy based on Korihor become "often" compared to exmos. We have a book review where the lessons of Korihor are accused of being repeated by an author's book and a "review" of philosophies compared to Korihor's motivations by Lund. Analogies exists, but how has the church used them against exmos? I suspect exmos have heard some twit Mormon use the term as an epithet. However, that does not make the church responsible or supportive for the action. People are flawed and some are stupid. We all have done some stupid things. The church does not condone such actions.

166 has made the paragraph better than it was from his first insistent edits, but it stretches the meaning and intent of LDS scripture to support objectives is misleading. Is there some other example that can be used where 166's objectives are met more precisely rather than misrepresenting LDS scripture? When you read that chapter is 166's interpretation your interpretation? I thought I would ask you before going to a nonmormon to get their opinion and assistance. Storm Rider (talk) 03:47, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disengagement from religion

As an active editor of exmormonism, you may be interested in expanding the article disengagement from religion. Andries 15:37, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Exmormon

There seems to be a sudden and persistent attempt from anon64 at supplying Mormon doctrine on why people leave. Need your help reverting perhaps. Click on the (last) of the revert you choose in history and then edit page and save. Thanks in advance. Anon166 00:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. I appreciate all of your hard work on the Ex-Mormon and related pages. I'm a relatively new kid on the block, but have noticed the consistently high quality of your edits. Keep it up. -Porlob 03:17, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! It's been a long road. So it's nice to have some positive feedback. Greenw47 21:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalization

The way to fix a mis-named article is the perhaps-not-as-intuitive-as-it-should-be "Move this page" function (which, as a result of abuse from anonymous users and users who only registered to abuse the function, is only available after you've been a registered user for... a certain amount of time, I really don't remember how long the necessary period is).

Occasionally, you will get an error message telling you that there's already a page at that address / with that name, and therefore you'll have to ask an administrator to fix it.

And just so you know, I fixed the Jeffrey Nielsen article for you. DS 15:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a million. That's a huge help. I only have a few original pages, and didn't think to check the capitalization before staring the article. Greenw47 14:43, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
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