Talk:Greater Cleveland

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[edit] What is Greater Cleveland?

The initial section of this article should probably be rewritten to clarify the scope of the article and whether it covers only suburban Cleveland or Northeast Ohio. Going by the PMSA or CMSA has the advantage of making clear boundaries by county. Going by the suburbs is more correct for "Greater Cleveland" but is a lot harder to define, since Summit County, for example, is split into Cleveland suburbs like Twinsburg and Macedonia and Akron suburbs to the south. I prefer a Northeast Ohio emphasis for the article but if it remains a Greater Cleveland article the Northeast Ohio redirect and discussion should be removed. --Beirne 12:34, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

I'm not a census expert, but as far as I can tell (see United States metropolitan area) the CMSA/PMSA rubric has been scrapped, thus I changed Greater Cleveland to reflect the new guidelines. Per the article name, I removed most information concerning the Akron MSA/PMSA, as Greater Cleveland almost always (in my experience) connotes the areas in the Cleveland MSA, although there are the overlapping communities in Summit County that should be mentioned. I wasn't certain what to do with the Northeast Ohio information, I didn't know that Northeast Ohio redirected to here. With the end of the Akron/Cleveland CMSA and Northeast Ohio's boundaries beyond these MSAs, I think it makes more sense to make NE Ohio a seperate article (I've even seen Tuscarawas County included in Northeast Ohio, which is clearly not Greater Cleveland), but I am amenable to combining them if desired. Some guidelines will have to be determined for NE Ohio (esp. in regard to listings) other than where "most people" think the boundaries are (this is obvious to you of course, as in the Cleveland article.) DirectorStratton 02:14, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

I removed the Northeast Ohio redirect. Now that we are straightening things out I'm not sure it is worth making a Northeast Ohio article. We should just have articles for Greater Cleveland, Greater Akron, Greater Youngstown, etc. Not that I'm ready to start a Greater Akron (where I live) article, but if we do too many overlapping articles they won't be maintained as well.

Apparently the CMSAs live on as Combined Statistical Areas, but I retain my point from above, that Greater Cleveland and NE Ohio are separate enough to have separate pages. DirectorStratton 20:30, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Since the CSA is a valid definition of Greater Cleveland, is there any reason not to revert your deletions? - EurekaLott 14:36, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

For starters, the MSA is at least an equally valid definition of Greater Cleveland, if not a better one. DirectorStratton 07:14, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Which one is better is a matter of opinion, but my point is that reasonable people could consider the MSA or the CSA as credible definitions of Greater Cleveland, and so both should be represented in the article. - EurekaLott 16:08, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually, very few people would consider the CMSA as corresponding very closely with Greater Cleveland. It overlaps in many areas, but by and large includes a much more expansive area than most would identify as Greater Cleveland. The CMSA can be mentioned, but it should be clearly indicated that it is a rather poor match for the area commonly identified by residents as Greater Cleveland. older≠wiser 17:45, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be more accurate to use the Census Urban Area[1] ("00" is the index) rather than the Metro Area(s)? This would clear up for the most part the "Cleveland vs. Akron" issue. Mapsax 00:30, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I like that idea a lot. Is there any precedent for it on Wikipedia? Confiteordeo 01:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The statement in this article concerning the 2000 Census data is inaccurate. The Census considers seven counties (Cuyahoga, Lorain, Medina, Lake, Portage, and Summit) as part of the "Cleveland-Akron Consolidated Metropolitan Area". Recently, there has been some controversy (namely from angry Akron residents) by the Census Bureau's proposals to remove the word 'Akron' from this description and thus effectively classify Akron as a suburb of Cleveland.

[edit] Portage County

I added a list of the cities and towns in Portage County as the county was listed as part of Northeast Ohio, but was not included in the list of cities and towns in the area by county (don't ask me why it wasn't included). I included Rootstown because even though it is still a township, it has it's own post office and is generally referred to as if it were a municipality (it also has it's own school system). Jon Ridinger 22 Feb 2006