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[edit] Touch

Yeah, and Australian rules is known as AFL, American football as gridiron. It was never called touch rugby, and still isn't. Just because Europeans and Americans (lol) mistakenly started calling it that when they discovered it is less than compelling. But you know what, I really couldn't care less. Also, I think you'll find that except for the small part of England where league began, rugby means union, as league isn't played to any great level anywhere else. Where it is, it's "league" --Paul 13:33, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] invasion - of vandal

Hi I noticed a vandal attack Snottygobbles user page so i reverted there, i check the vandal to where else he edited and noticed he applied the same format to your page so reverted he as well hope you dont mind Gnangarra 09:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AFL season article naming convention

As a participant of WikiProject AFL I thought you might be interested in this. I have started a vote to get a consensus on the naming convention for AFL season articles. You can participate in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject AFL#AFL season article naming convention. Cheers. Remy B 13:28, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] South Australian English reversion

Please respond to Talk:South Australian English#Reverted merge? --Scott Davis Talk 14:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Looks like Licinius is back

See User talk:Mr nice guy#Blocked and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Community ban for Licinius. Snottygobble 00:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Licinius has posted an apology and promise to reform at User talk:J is me. There's currently a (counter-)proposal under discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Community ban for Licinius to unblock Licinius' IP to allow him to reform himself under a new account. You might like to comment. Snottygobble 00:39, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Just to clarify, this is not my proposal. It is CambridgeBayWeather's. I have merely agreed not to stand in his way. My opinion on the wisdom of the proposal shall remain off the record for now. Snottygobble 01:07, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of football (soccer)

Stop removing valid and relevant material from the article, there is connection between harpustum and association football, as it was the first introduction of ball sports to britain, and calcio was the first codified fottball ever. It has far more relevance tha Tsu Chu, which has been officialy recognized as the first ever form of football by FIFA, and so I challenge you to come up with a valid foundation for your accusations that there is no relevance, when I have valid sources which state there is, I shall be replacing the text with citations, should you challenge this again, please review them first. Philc TECI 18:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Australian Commandos

Hi - I think the restructure of the page has made it look pretty bad. Rather than revert your changes can you take out the large space between the the heading Special Units and the text that goes with the heading. The space has been caused by you moving the images to the right I believe? Krait 03:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Grant. I like what you've done with the page, great stuff. I only have access to ie so couldn't check with another browser. Thanks for the nice words. I had not seen the Jack Wong Sue article before, and it is a great story. Keep up the good work. Krait 23:12, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dark L - SA English Page

Hi Grant, the "dark l" information comes from the Dorothy Jauncey (p2) book that is already mentioned on the page that I am reading at the moment. I'll try and footnote it somehow. Plus also from general observation as well (me thinking that I actually had a speech impediment for a while!) Frances76 00:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Can you please try and help with the ref. I can't seem to get the reference section working. Thanks Frances76 01:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re Goumier

Hi Grant. Thanks for the note and i am sory for not being able to give a reason to the NPOV section tag.

If you read the added section about raping men and women in Italy, u'd find it totally biased and all what was added was taken from a lone source (which is Italian). I am not saying that there was no rape cases but the section treats it as a rule instead of exceptions. There's a new title "Ana! Frères d'armes marocains dans les deux guerres mondiales" by Jean-Pierre Riera which gives another view and perspective about the Goumier participation in WWII including 500 photos (many showing goumiers assisting victims and helping others). Another book "Mon ami le goumier" by Roger Barge (who was a young activist within the Red Cross at the time) witnesses good behaviour of the soldiers as well and his stories about their courage. My point is that the section is written taking into account only one side leaving out the other. Please let me know about your opinion. Cheers -- Szvest 11:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up™

[edit] Talk:Football (word)#World wide

Just my tuppence worth --Philip Baird Shearer 08:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Capitalism and Neo-Marxist

You have put in a mildly inappropriate link to neo-Marxist several times. I think you are a bit unclear on what the term is used for: it's not exactly the same thing the morphemes might suggest. Neo-Marxists are the specific school of post-Marixsts associated with Critical Theory, Freudo-Marxism, and also with the "return to Hegel" (in certain variations). None of the people who get labeled with that title are really economists, and none of them have any extensive writing on the specific topic mentioned in the Capitalism article (co-existing economic tendencies).

In contrast, the economists who follow Marx' thinking—some in ways fairly heterodox to Marx' own writings—generally use the term "Marxian" (in contrast to "Marxist"). There are certainly points where the Marxians differ from Marx himself, some disagreements minor, others substantial; but I've really never heard any of them use the specific label "neo-Marxist". Your link simply clouds the sense of the actual schools and diversions, it does not clarify anything. I don't want to edit war over such a minor issue (especially given all the outragous POV mongering on behalf of the Heritage Foundation and friends), but it really is wrong what you've added (I'd rather you take it out than I do though). LotLE×talk 04:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hackett

Thanks for your comment; I've corrected the link to Hackett. In future, feel free to edit any of my notes, just as if they were in the main space. Snottygobble 00:24, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image listed for deletion

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Grant, I've listed an image you uploaded for deletion. You might want to read the reasons on this page (basically they are non-free). If there are other war memorial images that have been uploaded, pending the outcome of discussion on the Cowra image you might want to consider deleting them as well. On the other hand, it might turn out that the AWM doesn't really have any right to insist on the conditions thay have placed on the images. John Dalton 10:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

The limited discussion so far seems to be leaning towards the image being public domain. You might want to update the copyright tags on the image to public domain, with reference to the image's talk page, thus solvign the copyright issue. John Dalton 23:02, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Grant. I've no objection to the deletion tag being removed and have done so. I've also put a note on the deletion page that the image should be kept as it seems to be public domain. I've modified the source info on the image's page. Please have a look at it and revert or modify it if you are not happy with it. It strikes me that it is important to establish (and mention on the image page) the date the photo was taken and the contents of the Copyright: field on the AWM's website. These are important for establishing the public domain status of the image if challenged. I would love to know on what legal basis the AWM claims to have the authority to dictate that their watermark should not be removed. I agree that it is polite to leave it in, but it is rude of the AWM to insist on conditions if they have no right to so do.John Dalton 05:14, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] British Pacific Fleet

Noticed your amends to this article. They give the impression that RAN ships were involved, although the list of vessels doesn't include any. Is there an omission here? I had thought that RAN warships were already integrated into the US fleets. Or were you prompted by the presence of Aussie personnel on RN or other ships? Folks at 137 15:03, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

It might be strange, but it might be so! Wiki should reflect verified facts - so, do you know of RAN ships attached to the BPF? Or even Aussie air squadrons attached to the carriers? I think there were individual Aussies as pilots or sea crew - I'll rummage around. TTFN. Folks at 137 18:37, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Río de la Plata

Sorry about this morning's outburst. I took it out on you and I shouldn't have. Your edit was neutral and not worthy of my rage. Sorry.

Sebastian Kessel Talk 00:31, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] headline

Quite improper, lad, what does the future hold for one so bound by agenda. It is my (foreign) understanding that the NRL is considered the national football competition of NSW and Queensland. Anyhoo, Irish and Australian varieties is incoherent to the point of absurd. Changing them in that fashion seemed to be much more clever as I noted that fine fellow Licinius advocated. Thankyou for dignifying me as his clone, I learnt much about her very quickly, quite a top character by any decent estimation, Thirty or so sockpuppets to prove a point about football in Australia?

(Comment by User:Lcns July 17, 2006.)

[edit] dab pages

Hi Grant, don't know if you're aware but dismbiguation pages have their own manual of style which sets out recommendations for linking and ordering, among other things: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages), Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Thanks/wangi 10:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese War Crimes

I've made the points on the talk page. John Smith's 14:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Grant, please stop reverting the point about the German apology and discuss it on the talk page. So what if a Japanese person put it in? There was another that disputed it just recently. John Smith's 16:26, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Grant, you've just reverted the page four times within 24 hours. If you self-revert, I'll take it as a sign of good faith and not report you. Thanks, John Smith's 00:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Just going through the formal process, no offence.

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. John Smith's 01:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Right, I'm going to report you then. John Smith's 09:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Grant, I've been here long enough. I made a friendly gesture and you rejected it. That's your problem, not mine. John Smith's 13:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

In recognition of your work I award you this barnstar. In particular, for the exceptional read that was CAC CA-15. Thank you! michael talk 12:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
In recognition of your work I award you this barnstar. In particular, for the exceptional read that was CAC CA-15. Thank you! michael talk 12:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] World War II controvercy

Do you have time please to have a look on the World War II. There is some movement leading to Nazi apology end even saying Germany started the war some users call "bias against German people". Probably we need some meditation.--Nixer 09:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Australian military history task force

Just dropping you a line to invite you to and inform you about the Australian military history task force part of the Military historyWikiProject. The taskforce is concerned with improving Wikipedia's coverage of Australian military history, hope you join up. Hossen27 14:49, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested peer review of Axis naval activity in Australian waters

Hi Grant, FYI I've requested a peer review of Axis naval activity in Australian waters by the members of the military history task force. --Nick Dowling 08:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Attack on Sydney Harbour

  • Does anyone know why this article is not referred or linked to in the en:Pacific War article? In other words, is the "Attack on Sydney Harbour" not recognised as part of the Pacific War? Does it need to go through some sort of official process in order to be included? Who on earth has the power to make that decision and where? Is the Start Class thing a barrier delibrately placed upon this article so as to bar it from entering the en:Pacific War article? I feel extremely confused and disappointed.Wilfred Pau 10:31, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scheme/Project

Hi Grant, havent met you yet! Ian and I had started on the goldfields article, and realising there are a huge range of issues that come from something like this article - we had considered the title of the article with some considerable deliberattion - parliamentary debates, "official names", what is found on the SLWA and other catalogues, and a number of other issues - including the more recent mouthfuls of what the scheme was known as in the 1960's.

Specifically 'Goldfields Water Supply Scheme' seemed from all evidence to make it easy for someone who might have come across refs in the slwa, and w.a. history article, or the o'connor article.

It would be appreciated of you are to do a change like you did - that you could at least - put an explanation on the talk page - with a good ref to see where this notion of a project name comes from - its a bit hard to pin down exactly what the phrase in the edit summary actually refers to. In the end you are probably off the mark as we were as to what it was known as in O'Connors era - I am sure in Vosper's company it was in expletives deleted ! Unless you are one of Tony evans, or Merab Tauman's relatives or something like that.

I do hope you understand where I am coming from on this one, if you arent - please reply on talk. SatuSuro 10:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I've commented at Talk:Goldfields Water Supply Project -- I@n 12:34, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Grant - thanks for your comments on the GWSS (or whatever we end up with) - thanks for your version, lets hope the article will get to something of substance in time! SatuSuro 15:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 4th generation jet fighter

17 January An F/A-18C from Saratoga’s VFA-81 was shot down by an Iraqi surface-to-air missile. Pilot Lieutenant Commander Michael Speicher became the first American casualty of the Persian Gulf War. http://www.history.navy.mil/avh-1910/PART12.PD TestPilot 01:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 3 October 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Winged tank, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

[edit] Goumiers

Marocchinate is an article about their rapes and it needs some attention. Perhaps you know some editors who are working on this topic. Wandalstouring 14:30, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Empress Augusta Bay and Bougainville campaign

I saw that you made some changes to both these articles. I've been thinking of incorporating the land battle of Empress Augusta Bay in the Bougainville campaign article and moving the Empress August Bay article to "Naval Battle of Empress Augusta Bay" since the land battle was an early part of the Bougainville campaign. I didn't make these moves yet because I've screwed things up in the past when I tried to rearrange articles this way. If however, what I propose passes yours and others sanity checks, perhaps we could go ahead and do it. Cla68 01:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PT-109

is the most famous of any of these actions, military importance notwithstanding. So why kick it out of this group? --Sugarcaddy 02:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Negationism vs Revisionism

I kept the changes you made on Japan war crimes but I think revisionism has a broader sense than negationism. For example, when Fujiwara analyse the directives of Kan'in and the direct implication of Hirohito in the war, he is not denying the facts but he is doing revisionism because the traditional point of view fronted by Mac Arthur was that Showa was a mere figurehead. Tsukurukai however is doing revisionism AND negationism when they argue that there was no "rape" of Nanking. I think negationism was mostly use by anglo-saxon in reference to nazi crimes because 1) the complete analysis of showa crimes began only fifteen years ago and 2) unfortunately, the occidentals are generally not very interested by a bunch of yellow-skinned individuals slaughtering each others. So, denying the crimes or worshiping war criminal is not so shocking... --Flying tiger 14:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In response

Thanks for your civility. I should have contacted and explained my side to you earlier, anyways I hope to do that now.

Under military regimes, the propoganda department always decides the "news" to be served to the civilians, especially during wars. MM Alam's kills were reported even before he touched down after his supposedly spectacular dogfights. Once the war was over and the euphoria faded, the news transmission from Radio Pakistan did too. Well, not entirely, it served as a case of morale booster in local Pakistani legends, that's why you'll never find it in any government accounts, Indian or Pakistani.

If it actually happened, It's something that would have deserved a Nishan-e-Haider, my friend, and yet it only resulted in a single medal. anyways, your sources themselves say :-

"This list has surfaced still more problems (of course! If it was easy, someone else would have done it!). Much of the dispute lies in the accuracy of claims and credits. WWI was a mish-mash and will require substantial work before the results are comparable to later works. " - Fighter Pilot 'Ace' List

I know that you worked hard on this, but these names belong in fictional aces not real ones. If you could cite anything from the BBC, Doordarshan etc. media involved in the actual war or the governments of India, Pakistan etc. it would be a start. But seeing that legends don't make their way into reputable news media and government press, it's going to be difficult. Please help in the deletion of this article, based on fabrication by private media, and help maintain credibility of both your article and this logbook of knowledge. Thank you. Freedom skies 11:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Dukakis

Thanks a million for agreeing on my terms! It seems as if I am quite unpopular about my conversation on taking away those photos themselves.

Thanks again!

Dukakis 00:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pacific campaignboxes

With the organization of the Pacific War campaignboxes that me and you seem to be involved-in, it looks to me like the campaignbox for Template:Campaignbox Pacific 1941 could probably be elminated. Most of the battles in that campaignbox are already listed either in the Southeast Asia, Southwest Pacific, or the Pacific Ocean campaignboxes. The Battle of Australia could probably go in the Southwest Pacific box. The only one I'm not sure of is the Battle of Hong Kong. Since it was between the UK and Japan, it doesn't fit easily into the Sino-Japan campaign. And it usually isn't included in the Southeast Asia theater. Where do you think it should go? If we can find an appropriate place for it, then I thinkwe can safely take the Pacific 1941 box out of circulation. I'll post this text on the talk page for that box also in case others have an opinion on the matter. Cla68 06:40, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Cla68 07:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heel and toe

Hi Grant - I'm just thinking off the top of my head - you are correct that those terms are used in English quite often and represent a very accurate way of pinpointing certain events that occur in that part of Italy - but I am not aware of any equivalents in Italian. The reason could well be that the whole of the "toe" is occupied by the region of Calabria and the whole of the heel is occupied by the region of Apulia, and if that is not enough, Italians would have the names of the provinces to pinpoint the extremities of either region. So I would judge that as being the main reason for the difference in references, the Italians would rely on the actual name of the location, whereas for an English-speaking audience - heel and toe probably does a pretty good job! As to causing offence - I can't really say, but my instinct is to say unlikely. Bear in mind that I am a native English speaker (with a Sicilian background) so I'm not necessarily aware of how local populations would view such terms. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 01:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tanzan Shrine

Hi, Brad thanks for the Kemari pics, one of which I have added to Football. Regarding Tanzan Shrine, I just noticed that Sakurai, Nara has a link to Danzan Shrine. I guess this may be a Japanese-to-English transliteration issue(?) Thought you might like to know. Grant65 | Talk 14:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey Grant. I'm glad you like the photos. I have plenty more if needs be. :) As for Danzan, yeah, that's a translation quirk. I've fixed the link on the Sakurai page in the event we ever want to create an article on Tanzan Shrine. There are also some photos of the shrine on my photography page as a foresight. --Brad Beattie (talk) 14:34, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Sounds perfect. I'm not a Japanese speaker or expert in Japanese culture so I will defer to the experts in this. Grant65 | Talk 02:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I checked with a native Japanese speaker today and apparently both are okay, Danzan might even be better. However, the pamphlet from the actual shrine said Tanzan. Ugh. How about we just stick with Tanzan and redirect Danzan to Tanzan? --Brad Beattie (talk) 02:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh, just to clarify: I don't speak Japanese. :) I just happen to live here and therefore have access to those who do. --Brad Beattie (talk) 02:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV on "relationship" between Gaelic football and Aussie Rules doesn't belong on wikipedia

You have theories confused with facts my friend. --Rulesfan 23:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

And you don't understand that history is innately controversial. Grant65 | Talk 07:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] National institute for Defense studies of Defense Agency

Hi, you are right. I wrote to fast. The institute is in Tokyo, not Washington. I was thinking of another case at the same time. --Flying tiger 17:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Commonwealth history

First, why do you want to repeat almost word for word the history of the adoption of the Statute of Westminster that is already given under the Historical Development section? It's just redundant.

Second, Menzies is famous for declaring in 1939 that since Britain was at war Australia was also at war. Australia did not issue a separate declaration of war. Even the article you cite says that Britain ran Australian foreign policy until the 1940s -- i.e. AFTER 1939.

Third, the status of Ireland as a Dominon was highly ambiguous between 1936 and 1949. Probably deliberately so. See the article in Irish head of state from 1936-1949. You may have one view of its Dominion status but other people have another, and it's not the job of Wikipedia to take a position on this debate. The word arguably is correct and appropriate.

--Chris Bennett 17:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

You wrote, with my response inline:

Compare the position of Australia and New Zealand in 1939 with that of India, which had no discretion. Au and NZ did not have independent foreign policies because the government of the day had chosen not to have one (i.e. by not ratifying the Statute), not because they were unable to do so. That is my point.

And an irrelevant one it is. Whether or not Australia could have made a separate declaration of war in 1939, the fact is that it did not do so. Robert Menzies, the PM of Australia of the day, who was the responsible person, explained very clearly to Parliament that this was because Australia was bound by Britain's actions. His view trumps yours any day of the week.

There is nothing wrong with repeating material within and article if it is an important point, which it is.

Not in this context it isn't. Go back and read the whole section. The discussion is about whether being monarch of many countries creates conflicts of interest for the monarch in matters of war and peace. The declarations of war in 1939 are discussed as an example of a situation where this question might have arisen. There is a good argument to be made that Australia and NZ do not even deserve mention here, since no possibility of a conflict of interest arose with them; as far as I can see, they are only mentioned to complete the coverage of the dominions that existed at that time. We certainly don't need to overburden the paragraph by going into elaborate detail about why. It causes the main point to be completely lost under irrelevant detail.

As for Eire, see Dominion: it is a broad term and I defy anyone to show that Eire was not a Dominion before 1949.

Oh dear, a partisan convinced he Knows The Truth.
Don't you understand that it is not for Wikipedia to prove one side or the other right or wrong in such matters, but to recognise and reflect that there are different opinions about it? The English chose to consider Ireland as a Dominion under George VI. Eamon de Valera, who was a principal, was happy to let them, but he himself made no bones about it: he considered that Ireland was a republic. It only became an issue when the Irish decided to rub the English noses in it in 1949 by formally declaring a republic. My own opinion is with de Valera -- as far as I can see Ireland ceased to be ruled by the king in 1936. But I'm happy to concede that other people think 1949. --Chris Bennett 02:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Grant65 | Talk 01:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

You wrote:

I think you are still missing my point. I don't agree that it is "irrelevant" that the Statute of Westminter empowered Dominion governments, whether or not they chose to exercise that power. Menzies' speech declaring war, while it was technically correct, did not reflect the full range of options that were open to him — options which were not in any way available to the governments of India, Rhodesia or Jamaica.

I get your point. You don't get mine, which is that this is irrelevant in the context of what is being discussed.

In regard to Eire, you have mistaken my purpose, which is not to show that Eire definitely was a Dominion before 1949, merely that there is an argument that it was.

Sorry, I understood "I defy anyone to show that Eire was not a Dominion" to mean that you thought there was no doubt about the fact. If you merely think that there is an argument that "Eire definitely was a Dominion", then we are in complete agreement, but you should also have no problem with the word arguably, which reflects precisely that position.

By the way, I don't respond well to the kind of approach that you employed in your last reply on my talk page. Please tone it down in future.

If you use strong language to support a position which, forgive me, is not only wrong in itself but pays no attention to the context of the article, then you must expect some strong language in return. At least I got your attention. Perhaps we can now try to settle the issue rationally. --Chris Bennett 03:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

You wrote:

I still don't understand why you think Australia and New Zealand's (latent) ability to remain neutral in 1939 is not relevant. Or is it just that you feel it should be mentioned elsewhere in the article? It certainly is not spelled out at present. Thanks

Because it is not relevant to the point being illustrated, which is that situations have arisen where the monarch's position wrt a foreign power differed between realms. Not hypothetical or latent ones, actual ones. The focus is on the conflict of interest for the the monarchy, not the position of the individual realms.
Your concern is whether a country that was covered by the SoW but had not ratified it could in theory have stayed neutral. There is some relevant evidence from before the SoW was passed, which is that the dominions refused to be bound by the treaty of Locarno in 1925, which would have automatically committed them to act with Britain if there was a European war; they also refused to commit troops to a war with Turkey in the Chanak crisis of 1922. Locarno is already nentioned in the article. I think the matter is so extremely hypothetical and so dead that it doesn't merit any more discuyssion than that. --Chris Bennett 07:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Korean abuse of POWs in Japanese camps

Actually, the book, Japan at War that's listed in the references for the Japanese war crimes article does give some examples of Korean guards abusing Allied POWs during the war. However, the book doesn't claim it to be "widespread" although I'll look at it again when I have a chance to be sure. Cla68 13:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can you help please?

Knowing your knowledge of WWII as well as your neutral position I would be glad if you help to resonlve a conflict that occured in Josef Stalin. User Encyclopaedia Editing Dude contiuously removes links to the Soviet archives, declassified in early 1990s from Josef Stalin, insterting links to an eyewitness interview made by BBC and other biased and/or non-reliable sources. He refuses to talk and removes my comments from his talk page [1]. He also said that he will break any rules to restore his version. I requested RFC on this topic and in two weeks received only one comment (in favor of my version). I do not know what to do next with such behavior.--Nixer 17:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand your position. I guess the problem is that this person does not see the state archival material on the deportations as credible and/or a true reflection of what actually occurred. Another, independent source from a credible background (e.g. a western university) which backs up the archival material would probably resolve the problem. By the way, I would avoid using anti-orange.com.ua as a source if possible. I don't know Russian/Ukrainian but I find some things about it disturbing (e.g. http://anti-orange.com.ua/about/foto/ ). Grant65 | Talk 18:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
First, I do not think a western university would be unbiased in this case. The link to anti-orange site really could be removed. The main piont is the real order on the deportations from the archive, which is continuously being removed by Encyclopaedia Editing Dude. The link points to the order in English and the anti-orange site was added to give a link to a Russian version (which I agree is not necessary here). The third source is a direct link to a Russian archive (non-URL).--Nixer 18:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
The question in my mind remains, "do the documents reflect what happened in reality?" I'm not saying a western university (etc) would be unbiased — no-one is unbiased — but if you could find a credible non-Soviet reference, saying that events occurred as described in the Soviet documents, it would give you a rock solid case for their inclusion. Grant65 | Talk 19:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I do not say the events occured preciesly as it was ordered (it is probably impossible to prove now). My point is to present how it was intended to conduct and that some people contest that it was conducted preciesly as it was ordered (also with sources). By the way, it is important to point out specifically in the article about Stalin what he actually ordered as it can characterize him or give to him or out of him responsibility over the consequesces.--Nixer 19:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I know where you are coming from. These kind of debates very often take place in a historical/contextual "vacuum", which makes them appear quite different than they appeared to the historical agents at the time. The problem is that if the actual events vary significantly from the order/plan, then it is easy for critics to say that the order was worthless, disingenuous, cynical, (etc) and decide that it's not worth mentioning. I'm still thinking about this. Grant65 | Talk 15:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Axis naval activity in Australian waters nominated for FA status

Hi Grant. I have just self nominated Axis naval activity in Australian waters for Featured Article status. If you'd like to vote or make a comment, the nomination page is: Featured article candidates/Axis naval activity in Australian waters‎ Cheers, --Nick Dowling 22:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Changi Prison.

Sorry mate, it looks as though my vandalism reversion and your rewrite had a bit of a head-on. :-) My apologies. Johnmc 07:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Broome attack art

It might be out of order - but I have put in my copy of prime in the refs for the moment - I'll try to check further - I do hope you dont mind - SatuSuro 15:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you think they are diff? or was he getting people to print it with diff titles? SatuSuro 15:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Apols- shouldve checked first - the liswa/state ref cat has:-

Prime, Mervyn W. Title Broome's one day war : the story of the Japanese raid on Broome, 3rd March 1942 Published Broome, W.A : Shire of Broome [for Broome Historical Society], 1992. Descript'n 45 p. : ill., 1 map, ports ; 22 cm. Note Cover title. Updated and expanded edition of W.A.'s Pearl Harbour, published 1985. Some copies include Addendum (April 2000)

Oh well now we know :) SatuSuro 15:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

What I enjoy is it - always - leads back to the diamonds saga and smirnoff - and every journo and their dog sniff it out on such a regular basis! SatuSuro 15:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the PK AFV lead seems to hide the story rather than let on that you've actually done a good job on that as well! You should alert it more than that I reckon!SatuSuro 15:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Excellent response - the redirects should solve it very well! SatuSuro 07:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Dont get me started! I think the redirect issue one is important - I mean I dismantle some to become disambig pages :) and I think of the stupidest combinations just to keep up with everything - but sometimes I forget to make them... I dont know if youve seen the australian history project proposal - or the australian maritime history one that moondyne has a thingo for - but I would be v interested in your response to either or their placing SatuSuro 15:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: New football collage

Hi Grant. Your new collage is definitely an improvement in many ways. It's a pity we haven't got better quality pics for some of the codes. The one suggestion I'd make is to ask whether you can fiddle the brightness/contrast/something in the American football part to make it the players more distinct at thumbnail size. Whether that works or not, I'd definitely suggest it on the talk page. JPD (talk) 14:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Freo jumper history

Grant, I think we should retain the jumper sponsor history. It is helpful in identifing old photos and I think a valid part of Fremantle's history. It is also the sort of thing that the club nor AFL will ever publish, as once a new sponsor jumps on board the old sponsors are erased from all memory! The jumper graphics were great, but I guess we need to check with Mero about having the copyright properly assigned. The-Pope 02:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Football image

Hi Grant, feel free to check out Rugby union images on the commons to look for a decent one. Hope that helps. Cheers. Cvene64 07:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good Grant. Glad to have helped out. Cheers. Cvene64 14:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Soccer templates

Hi Grant. We've a bit of a problem. Chuq has been creating new templates in an attept to breach the football(soccer) rule. AS I admit that the templates that are for the worldwide and Asian listings must say "football" the ones for our national team and for soccer in Australia, should read, "football(soccer)". Chuq has made the following templates, Template:AUS fb natteams, and Template:AUS fb general as just saying "football". Every time I edit it, he changes it back. The national football (soccer) team page was the agreed term, so I feel it should be the same with the templates. Please help. Urgeback 10:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Urgeback/58.x, please don't use talk pages to go around "recruiting" in this manner in private - if you want to discuss this naming convention, please do it at more public location, such as Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia) - which I have specifically set up for this purpose, and I have posted a link to on your (IP address's) talk page. Grant, if you haven't seen the page (I have posted a link to it on various football-related Wikiprojects) feel free to contribute there as well, of course. Btw, I'm not sure what "football (soccer)" rule you are talking about, as there isn't one - that is the purpose of the naming conventions proposal. -- Chuq 12:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Chuq, see Talk:Australia national soccer team/Archive 1. I have to agree with Urgeback. There is a very good reason why Football (soccer) is the name used in Wikipedia. That is, there are several other codes of football around the world, and the followers of all of these use the word "football" by itself to refer to their games. In Australia, in spite of FFA's attempt at re-branding, "football" generally refers to Australian rules football or rugby league football. I think the templates should reflect that. Grant65 | Talk 13:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I have read that discussion and many others, over and over. Hence the link above. (There was a typo in the link that caused it to appear as a redlink, I have fixed that now). These templates will ONLY be used on pages about association football, so there is no confusion. -- Chuq 20:30, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
My response is at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia). Grant65 | Talk 03:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Thank you for the Barnstar. I look foward to continuing to work with you and everyone else in the future on the Pacific War articles. Thank you, also, for the comments on my proposed idea for the Solomon Islands campaign. Cla68 06:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gernika

You are ignoring also several policies with this reverse move of Gernika-Lumo (official name) to "Guernica (city)". First of all, Gernika is not a city but a town (by charter and by size), second it is not such a relevant entity as to be worried about it. It's not Rome or Moscow, just a minor town of some 10,000 people. Third: I bet you didn't even worry to fix the links that I painfully fixed in the other direction. Fourth: you bypassed the Wikipedia:WikiProject Basque. Fifth you are biased from your viewpoint of military history. Sixth: your opinion is just your opinion and nothing more. Seventh: Guernica (Spanish spelling) refers primarily to the painting of Picasso.

I would automatically revert but some further edits have been mad, so I will start a RFC. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sugaar (talk • contribs) 16:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] You are being a Disruptive Editor

If you have something to discuss, do it. But you can't revert a move that was done with full consensus. Next time I will have no choice but opening an RfC on your behaviour. --Sugaar 14:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help with military history

Hi Grant65, I noticed you're involved in some military history articles here, so I'm wondering if you could help me with something. The Battle of Nui Le was the last major battle fought by Australian troops in Vietnam in 1971, I know that the Australian army suffered about 35 casualties. However, beyond that I couldn't find anymore information regarding the action, I would like to know whether you have any reliable sources which could help me? Thank you in advance.Canpark 07:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian maritime history

Hi! thought you might be interested to know about this recent project start SatuSuro 08:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

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