Talk:Gröûp X

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This article was nominated for deletion on 12 April 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

Before I start, I gotta say first that I deleted a useless remark with no indication of the writer or any constructive intent.

First off, it would have to be noted that the group claims to be from Saudi Arabia, although they do not take this seriously, with their American pop culture references and their completely fake (and not resembling any existing) accents.

And then, it would have to be noted that all the flash animations, though done by different artists, are stick animations, with the drummer depicted with spiky hair (when depicted). And also, all of these animations that I know about have been submitted to Albino Black Sheep (here) with the exception of 'Too Many Guyz'.

In addition, a listing of their songs would be good. Blueaster 03:54, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

• Song lists belong on the pages for the albums, I created one such page and included the songs. Vicarious 02:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Cleanup 2 Merge? 3 Band Members 4 I did some clean up

[edit] Cleanup

This article needs cleaned up. It should be divided into sections with a concise opening paragraph. Also, the band member list doesn't mention who plays the bass guitar. Consider this a minor peer review. Vicarious 02:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge?

The Stepping on the Crowtche owf Your Americain Presidaint article is basically a track list and an album cover. I suggest that it be merged into this article until such a time as there is enough verifiable information to make an article out of. Jkelly 16:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm in support of this merge--Urthogie 19:47, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with the merge, I think albums much like highschools are basically always notable. Many of the album articles are of similar size and quality. If you still disagree I certainly see the merit of your view but I'd prefer if you put it on WP:AFD before you merge it. Vicarious 19:58, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll do that if you insist.--Urthogie 08:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm also in support of the merge. Tylerbot 21:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm against it because I'm not aware of cases where an album is merged into a band's article. No doubt that it's been done somewhere, but if so it doesn't mean it should have been. - furrykef (Talk at me) 05:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

That's the best part of Wikipedia; we don't have to conform to all standards set forth in past entries. As long as we can justify it, and if people agree.. social evolution launches new precedents by itself. To me it makes sense that an article about a band should include a discography in the article. That's why I'm for the merge. Tylerbot 20:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

There's a difference between including a discography, and merging an entire page with a track list and everything. - furrykef (Talk at me) 02:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Against. Worst comes to worst, AfD it. But I think it should stay. ⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 03:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• I am against the merge. Although we don't need to follow past precident, I feel we should to make navigation easier/consistant throughout Wikipedia. -NickSentowski

I am against the merge for the same reason as User:NickSentowski above. --BLuToRsE 00:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Band Members

While I understand and respect the fact that fans and the band members don't want to reveal their true identities, they should be noted here rather than refering readers elsewhere. Information should not be withheld simply because it is "frowned upon" by those it concerns. If we start letting information in resources such as this be controlled by those to whom it pertains where will we find the truth?--BSRichard 00:46, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

A valid point. I guess the question is really whether or not it's our duty to reveal the complete truth. My opinion is we can use a little discretion in this case; it wouldn't seem right to ruin the "magic". I think if we opt to include the information we'll need some kind of spoiler notice, just as we do for magic tricks for example. - furrykef (Talk at me) 01:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I realized mentioning magic tricks may seem like a non-sequitur. I just chose them as an example of something nonfictional that still needs a spoiler notice. - furrykef (Talk at me) 17:17, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I think it is the mission of encyclopedia to inform, not to keep the illusions that the people want to have. If somebody comes to wikipedia and not some other site looking for encyclopedic information, they probably want all the information that is available.

OK, but we'd still need a spoiler notice of some kind. We would also have to find a way to make it possible to figure out who the band members are (that is, who they "claim" to be) without reading the spoilers, since a reader should be able to know that the three members were Hashmeer, Blade, and Rex without reading that their "true" identities are [blah blah blah]. - furrykef (Talk at me) 23:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

A spoiler warning? It isn't a book or a huge surprise, it is an encyclopedia. I would understand if hiding their identities was necessary for them to continue fighting crime with music, but they are just people. The information should be included without spoiler warnings. This is an encyclopedia. Refusing to post the information because the fandom "frowns upon it" is fancruft and shouldn't even be an issue. Vaguely 22:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

They're not just people; they may (and I'm sure do) feel that having their identities secret is an essential part of their act. I think that's something that needs to be kept in mind. Besides, is it reasonable to expect that some people who would read the article would want a spoiler warning to be there? Yes. - furrykef (Talk at me) 23:31, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, they are just people, they're not superheroes. What I am saying is that spoiler warnings on WP are so overused anyway, I feel that their inclusion here is ridiculous. But if you feel that someone may have a hissy fit over it, then feel free to put up the information with the tag attached, but either way, put up the information. This is an encyclopedia and if a band as little known as Group X is deserving of a page, then all the information that is pertinent to them should be posted and since their music depends heavily on fake accents and a heavy anti-American sentiment, it is notable. Vaguely 23:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I did some clean up

Hi, I did some clean up on the article. I took off unnecessary info and added a new, simpler introduction. I think someone that really knows the band well should do major clean up... --Zouavman Le Zouave 10:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)