Talk:Goth slang

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 28/7/2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

I have only just started writing this page, please do not delete it is still being added to.Deathlibrarian 12:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

This article has not been reposted, it has been completely re written. it was previously deleted because it was unverified, it is now verified with references to the terms where they have been expained in other published material. I cannot see any reason to delete this material. Deathlibrarian 12:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


Please remove the top "article for deletion" banner so the page can be used Deathlibrarian 12:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

It's non-notable information - most of these terms don't appear to be in any kind of common usage, even among goths, based on a google search for each of them. Since Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and this appears to be largely non-notable and unnecessary information, I'm sticking with the Speedy tag (it'd be either this one, or the original {{db-nonsense}} one). RandyWang (raves/review me!) 12:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
As I understand it, the {{hangon}} tag goes after the speedy tag - ie, the latter remains in place while an administrator reviews what to do with the page. RandyWang (raves/review me!) 12:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The article is fully referenced to published works on the goth subculture. In addition, I am a goth and use these terms. Please refer to the published works if you wish to query them rather than a google search. In addition, discussion of slang terms, and slang happens in many instances in Wikipedia. This information is of note to goths, those interested in goth subculture (to which page is it connects), and slang. If you personally are not interested, or find it non notable, no one is forcing you to read it. Deathlibrarian 13:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Deathlibrarian 13:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a dictionary: these terms need to be notable or otherwise important, but simply aren't.
On an irrelevant note, I, too, am something of a goth (as evidenced by my soundtrack). However, belong to a subculture does not automatically make one an expert on it, nor does it make obscure aspects of that subculture notable enough to warrant an encyclopedia entry. RandyWang (raves/review me!) 13:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

This is not a dictionary entry, it is a list of slang terms. Wikipedia has many lists of slang terms in its discussion of slang, just some include:

I would think that if you were a goth you would have heard of at least some of these terms. I didn't need books to hear terms like "Gothing up", "spot the goth" "cyber goth", "Baby bats" or "Mansonite". They are commonplace terms that all goths know.Deathlibrarian 14:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] AfD vs CSD

The contesting of the article is valid enough for WP:DRV. Please post the appeal there before recreating. Geogre 14:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Please note this is a new article, not substantially identical to the previous one. It is now fully verified, as per Wikipedia requirements. Deathlibrarian 15:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable and reliable sources

As I said in the AfD, I feel it's important that terms on this list are supported by notable reliable sources. I voted Keep on the basis that this article referenced published books, but we need to prevent it from being used to promote neologisms. A few new terms have just been added to the introduction without references (gogan, flinders St goth, post office goth, crow makeup, blow fish). I've requested sources, but I suspect these are non-notable terms (Google reveals hardly anything for most of them). Mdwh 01:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Compromise

It seems that there's a disagreement over the importance of this article. As a 3rd party to the issue (I'm just passing through), allow me to suggest another idea: merge this article to Gothic subculture...

Whatever you do, however, for the sake of continuity it definitely needs to be the same course of action that is taken with other (subculture) slang articles. 66.229.160.94 08:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Although Goth subculture gets the message "This page is 32 kilobytes long. This may be longer than is preferable", so we should really be moving stuff to separate articles if possible rather than merging back in in my opinion, and this seems a good candidate for a separate article. What advantages are there to a merge? Mdwh 10:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gothic Lolita

Is no sub type of Goth. Deleted that :) --217.237.151.34 19:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I would agree with removing the first reference as an example of a "sub type" since it's not really an example in the same sense as cybergoth. But I think the term is worth including in the list of slang terms still, especially as it has a reference. Mdwh 21:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Theyre are actually subtypes of goth

Romantic Goth Erthial Goth Cyber Goth Perky Goth

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Superme 01:11, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

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