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[edit] Marriage and children

In the Freeman's letter of acceptance to Black Mesa picture, it says "Since you are unmarried and without independance." Doesnt Gordon have a a pic of children in his locker at black mesa? Maybe my memory is failing me, but i really think so, or if it was in his office (opposingforce, where you see the "employee of the month".) Please comment. Cybesystem 22:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing to suggest that the room where you see Gordon's "employee of the month" picture is actually his office. It doesn't have any sort of name listed anywhere near it, or a name placard on any of the desks, plus it would be unlikely that he would work so far away from the anomalous materials lab. There is, however, a picture of two young children in this room located in a file cabinet, but as I said before, the room itself does not appear to belong to Gordon, so the picture of the two children is probably unrelated in any way to him.
However, this is a picture of a baby in Gordon's locker. This is mentioned in the article, but the baby picture has never been brought up again in the games after that one appearance. Since we know Gordon is not married and has no children, we can guess that this is just a picture of some other child relative of his, or maybe even a picture of Alyx. MarphyBlack 22:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I know. But let's think. Ok. The letter is to offer Gordon a job, right? I don't think they put a new guy in the testchamber directly. In HL1, one scientist says: "This is the purest sample yet". This means they've had several samples before. And he says "I think they went through some links to get it...", so it must be kinda hard to get the little yellow stones. This, logically, means that the Lambda team must record everything they can, so they can do some reaserch. Just putting a little expensive yellow thing into a beam and do no futher reaserch is very dumb. Anyway. If they now have had many samples, and made a great amount of reserch of them, plus the time for gordon to get used to his new job, getting his eyes scanned, blood samples etc, will take a lot of time, right? Reserch takes time. So theres still a chance he met a girl, and got a child. But, of corse, noone in hl2 says anything about his kids, therefore you could say this is impossible for Gordon to have a child. But, we canno't say I'm totally wrong. Can we? Cybesystem 01:12, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Gordon transfers from Austria to Black Mesa on May 5th. We know that the resonance cascade disaster occurred on May 15th. Now, while Gordon may be quite a lady's man, I think it's somewhat unlikely that he found a girl and had a child in 10 days. MarphyBlack 01:17, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Did it? 15th? Where is that said? But maybe you're right... but why would he have a pic of his best friends (He is his best, or?) girl in his locker? Cybesystem 15:48, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it's a picture of himself.

Or it's like a sample picture that came with the frame and Gordon is just creepy. RebornSentinal

[edit] Jump-Module (HEV SUIT)

Please note: The jump-module IS NOT built in. Gordon must get the module before he can use the longjump feature (Start a new game, see yourslef). gordon gets it just before he enters Xen. Can some1 please edit? Cybesystem 22:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Where does it say that the jump module is built in? The article specifies it as being "optional". MarphyBlack 22:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, sorry, missed that part. But still "optional" can be missunderstood. I don't know what else to say, but ok, nevermind :) . Cybesystem 20:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gordons tennis ball cannon...

Quote from main page "aside from the butane-powered tennis ball cannon he constructed at age 6".

Okay, from where did we know that? I'v never heard of it, and i've played all hl games. But i'v migt have missed it, but please, where was it said? 22:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
This is taken from the Half-Life 2: Prima Official Game Guide. MarphyBlack 22:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Then is that truly authentic Half-Life canon? I remember Planet Half-Life made that up.

It was apparently appreciated enough by Valve to allow it to be used in the official guide. -- Jordi·✆ 13:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gordon's Job

When referencing Gordon's job in the Anomalous Materials Lab, the article makes it sound as if pushing samples into a scanner is the extent of his work there. However, when playing Half-Life, one of the guards says something significant as he unlocks a door for you: "It looks like you're in the Barrel today." That phrasing sounds to me as if all the scientists on the Anomalous Materials team take turns wearing the HEV suit and placing the sample in the scanner, and the day of the Resonance Cascade just happened to be Gordon's turn. Any thoughts?

Nice therory. It makes good sense, but I'm not sure it's correct. In HL2 Alyx says that Dr. Mossman always talks about "how it should be her in the testchamber that day". This proves your therory a bit. Dr. Eli Vance says that Gordon was chosen, not Mossman, because he was better in some theroretical area (Don't remember wich one, Dr. Vance says it in the black mesa east chapter i think...). Therefore they do not "take turns wearing the HEV suit". Of corse they might do it, but because of Dr. vance statement that Gordon was chosen instead of Mossman, I don't think they do. They might also "take turns wearing the HEV suit" normally, but because this was the purest sample yet (acording to a scientist in HL1, soon before the cascade), they might have wanted to select their best scientist. Then theres, at least for me, a logical problem. Now, if he was chosen, and knowing about it, why would the guard inform him about it? And if he didn't know about it, how comes Dr. Vance knew about it? Though the guard *could* inform him about his turn wearing the HEV suit, but I don't see why if Gordon already know about it. Maybe we should make a new wiki article with ALL the half-life therories, including those about Gordon, it will be easier that way. I have to say it again, good therory. Cybesystem 19:00, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gordon's glasses

This is truly trivial, but does anyone know what type of glasses Gordon wears? Is there a specific type/brand name/make for these glasses? - a bespectacled HL fanboy --62.1.231.165 21:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

They highly resemble a fairly common kind of National Health Service spectacles. Maybe Freeman is a Brit… -- Jordi·✆ 07:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Were Freeman a Brit, I'd have expected some snide remark from NPCs about this by now ("what's up with your teeth?", "oooh, I love your accent", etc.). Regarding his glasses, they do bear an alarming resemblance to NHS spectacles (see Jarvis Cocker for a prime example), but I think they're supposed to convey a form of geek chic on Freeman. --Plumbago 08:45, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
It was intended as a joke. You're right, it's probably geek chic: it's certainly a step up from Ivan the Space Biker… -- Jordi·✆ 14:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
... the horror, the horror ... What were the artists at Valve thinking when they came up with that monstrosity? Anyway, it was kind-of amusing to be reminded of the old "National Healthers" (how much did they suck?). Cheers, --Plumbago 14:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Wait a minute... No matter what you say about the glasses, Gordon is cool. Cool. Essentially, I would like to visit an optician and get a very similar pair of glasses, without carrying any Gordon-related picture. Do they have a name/type that I could order them by? - a bespectacled HL fanboy --62.1.231.165 19:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry dude, I think you're just going to have to check out what's on offer at your local optician, and try to find the best match that way. I'd have thought you could do this online to a degree to avoid that whole embarrassment thing. Good luck! --Plumbago 22:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, maybe Freeman is a brit. Maybe that explains why we never hear him speak; that would give away the accent.

[edit] Austrian?

What language do they speak in Austria? I thought it was German, but only because I didn't think "Austrian" was a language. But whatever it is, I'm thinking that Gordon would be fluent in it, since he lived there for awhile (or did he? Do we know how long he lived there?).--67.172.204.135 20:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Gordon is only described as having visited Innsbruck, so he probably only lived there a few years before returning to the US. As for whether he became fluent with whatever language they speak in Austria, well, I just assume that he commanded people around by looking at them. A good stare from Freeman is enough to make citizens want to rush into certain battle, evidently. MarphyBlack 20:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

If you remember, since Innsbruck happened before Black Mesa, he had not developed this ability yet. The stare was most obviously a gift from the G-Man for accepting employment:D. --67.172.204.135 04:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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There are several passages, although referenced in this talk disscussion, that are not referenced within the article. I think it would be simple enough for some one to find these references and cite them in the article. Yes, you list them at the end but you are plagurising infromation withIN the article, any quotes or infromation needs an appropiate citation tag.

I am also gonna recommend a "this article contradicts itself" as it is evident that infromation from the book and all three games may have counterdictary infromation. ex. colour of his hair, wears glasses. And when people reference beta games (or atleast in the talk) you are adding in, yet another, game that is not apart of the Half Life 'real universe'.

Finally, there are 6 sources of infromation. Ads, the three games, the books, the 'theory forums'. In light of this you have 6 views of what occured at x time. Thus the article should be sorted via source, not relivance, because the sources can alter what the theorized events are.

I am still gonna put up the unreferenced tag. Personally, if you want me not to rant about it you should QUOTE the book, not paraphrase it, and cite the quotes. I don't own the book and just by reading this I question the validity of some of the statements. As the book is the only baisis for some of the article it does make better sense to quote it (being an harder to obtain source) so people can sort out the biased writing that occurs from the encycolpedic infromation.

If it turns out that you can't verify the sources I'll recommend a clean-up of the unverified infromation. This infromation should either be separated from this article or have its own subsection which lists the gordan based theorys.

Wait, you acknowledge the fact that the sources for this information are clearly cited, yet you add an unreferenced tag anyway? I may remove the tag simply on this basis alone. Reading the article again, the only speculation I see is some stuff about the picture of the baby in Gordon's locker (I'll fix that right now) and some stuff in the HEV section. However, all other information is either directly from the game or straight from the sources cited (the Half-Life instruction manual and Prima game guide for Half-Life 2, mainly). The only quotes in the article, which you say need inline citations, are from the games. I think it would be massive overkill to have to add an inline citation for every one (Especially since they're already placed in sections to their respective game, or it's already stated what game the quote is from). I don't believe "being an harder to obtain source" is justfication to claim that the information here may be biased (in favor of who or what, exactly?) or not valid. There are many people editing this article who do have access to these aforementioned "hard to obtain" sources, me being one of them, so rest assured that nothing massively incorrect is being thrown into the article. I can verify all the information here myself, if you'd like.
You say that one possible problem here is the many sources being used may conflict. Well, while that certainly is possible issue, none of the sources in this instance contradict each other. All the games and written material pretty much just present Gordon as some guy in an orange hazard suit who wears glasses and doesn't talk too much. There's not much to contradict here. There are also no mentions of the alpha or beta versions of any of the Half-Life games, so I have absolutely no clue what you're going on about there.
Oh, and you spelled "Gordon" wrong. MarphyBlack 02:13, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


Grodaon isn't spelled wrong. And I like the "uncited", quite frankly you are EXPECTED to propperly cite the articles, I admit that you have a foot note saying "yeah, I may or may not have gotten the info from this source" not that it is propperly cited. And i did NOT say only cite the games... I said cite the sources, you cite the passages from the books with direct quotes, not infromation smashed together, and stuff!

Also, sources allways conflict if you don't realize that they are written as fan fiction, I have noticed every time someone writes fan fiction, be it via ads or books, there is allways a conflicting peice of infromation that you can find. In the HL Franchise? I know of two very notable instances, his hair color and who is Barney. At the time of writing this I probally noted more conflictions baised on my knowledge of the franchise, yet I feel that by simply SPECIFICALLY stating the sources the disimilarity between each source can be nullified.

Barney's hair color is not a point of contention, nor is it even a notable point of mention (It's certainly not stated in his article, nor would I think that people would even really care). He, the real Barney, is clearly identified in Blue Shift, and there has been absolutely no conflicts with other sources in regards to his identity. However, this is all completely irrelevant since we're not talking about Barney. This article is about Gordon. All sources depict him in the same exact manner. No conflicts or contradictions exist here. Therefore, all official sources are valid (and I'm stating the obvious as they have been all along).
I'm not going to remove the tag this time, even though I still believe there's no justifiable reason for it to be here. I'll let others voice their thoughts on this issue. MarphyBlack 01:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Sigh, Did I say barney? I belie ve I said Gordans Hair color, but that is irelivant. Unfortunatly You continue to ignore the pressing issue, the sources aren't set in propperly. You should QUOTE books instead of tranlating them because inevidably all tranlations will have a point of view descrepancy even if you don't see it. And as a character, the situations in HL1 and HL2 change signifigantly, a character is more then his core, but also how the world view him. Because the core qualitys of Gordan Freeman can only be discerned from external shit, view will change. HL2 presents Freeman as an object of religion, he is revered by everyone he meets (and they gladly comit suicide for him). HL1 he was more of a tool, the scientests were quite cowardly and unwilling to risk their lives for the cause. Gordan in the books is depicted as a supergenius, unlike what he is depicted in both HL1 and HL2, in HL1 he is shown as a collegue, but also a lab assistant, the manual puts him at a low grade clearance level. If you really want to pick at gordans 'genius' level take a look at the number of times people EXPLAIN what to do to gordan. His "Disaster Response Level" (i think) was Discresionary, not Superior. You continue to view gordan linerarly, think only of what is immediatly implied or shown, view him laterally, see what others think of him and understand that the infromation they provide to you is skewed by their affection.

Dumbed Up, Gordan in HL1 is a Scientist, Gordan in HL2 is a Terrorist (Revolutionist), Gordan in the Books is a Super Genius which does not compliment what was conveyed by both games.

Sources Should be directly Quoted if they are not free to remove any emergent POV (AND POV WILL EMERGE) so that Others can make their on asertations about the material.

Your interpretations of Gordon (Which you have yet to spell correctly) are nothing more than original research and totally unverifiable opinions. However, everything presented in this article is, in fact, verifiable as it is properly referenced and cited. You're asking for entire passages to be copied from the specific sources, which would be copyright violation. Anyway, it's quite clear at this point that you're speaking total nonsense and are only intentionally antagonizing this article. Removing the reference tag since it has no basis and you never provided any sufficient reason for its addition to begin with. MarphyBlack 06:58, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] broken link

The external link for planethalflife's write-up of plot doesn't work. it's not immediately obvious what the correct new link is. 65.244.78.22 22:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. I believe I found the equivalent 'Story overview' page that's being used on the new PHL layout. Thanks for pointing this out. MarphyBlack 22:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shouldn't he be called "Dr Gorden Freeman

I was wondering if anyone agree that the articles title should be altered to "Dr Gordon Freeman" as opposed to just "Gordon Freeman"?Bisected8 13:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Gordon's name is accompanied by "Ph.D.," which is short for "Doctor of Philosophy." It would be redundant to mention "Doctor" again, especially to those who know what "Ph.D." means. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 13:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC) ╫
Oh, wait, my mistake. I though the question was referring to the intro of the article.

As far as articles on actual scientists are concern, you are invited to see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Qualifiers not between brackets. "Doctor" is not recommended to be used as the first word for article articles names of people. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 17:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

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