User talk:Goldfritha

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[edit] Theme (literature)

Goldfritha, you made an excellent addition to the Theme (literature) article. That's a great point. Question: Do you have a source for this insight? It would really be great if we could attribute this assertion to an outside source. Incidentally, what is Shakespeare's source for R&J? Thanks, Applejuicefool 16:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

'fraid that the observation is the distillation of much reading about themes, especially reading how people interpret literary themes. But I added the source, including a quote to show what the original them was. 01:53, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Humm. On consideration -- I think Wayne C. Booth's The Rhetoric of Fiction was a pivotal book in this matter. Goldfritha 16:47, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scandal

Hi, thanks for making those scandalous edits and saving the article. Good job! Is it scandalous if you've now helped to seduce into spending more time on Wikipedia than I should? :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


Well I didn't intend it or know -- but you could have taken scandal at my actions, and so it could be passive scandal. 0:) Goldfritha 01:18, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Tatterhood

Thanks for creating this article, I remember reading this story when I was a kid. However, your synopsis needs work. It should read more like a summary and less like a children's poem, as this is an encyclopedia. Nevertheless, bravo! Squigish 02:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you think it needs more work -- sure, go ahead. I knew this was Wikipedia when I submitted it. Goldfritha 22:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dashes

I notice you've been using "&mdash" a lot. It'll save you a lot of typing, and be more Wikipedia compliant, if you click on the long dash symbol from the Insert frame underneath the edit frame. Image:Tycon.jpgCoyoty 02:22, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elf-Stroke

What's your source for the claim that the term "stroke" comes from elf-stroke? The OED gives "stroke of God's hand" as the earliest recorded usage, and I can't find any reliable source claiming otherwise. Consequently, I've removed that claim from Fairy and stroke for the time being.

Regards, Nandesuka 02:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Andrew Lang's Fairy Books and Tolkien

Hi there. I was recently following up some wikilinks I made between Tolkien and Andrew Lang's Blue Fairy Book, and I came across Andrew Lang's Fairy Books and all the redirects you'd made and material you had added. I'm very impressed by this, and I know a lot more now than I did previously about Andrew Lang's work with fairy stories. Tolkien was a friend of Roger Lancelyn Green, who dedicated one of his books ('The Tale of Troy') to his "favorite authors": Andrew Lang and H. Rider Haggard who co-wrote The World's Desire (a retelling of the Troy story I thought, though the article suggests I am wrong on this). Tolkien also wrote a letter asking for Green's expert opinion on early collections of fairy-stories, and I presume Tolkien must have been much aware of Lang's work and books, as well as delivering the 1939 Andrew Lang lecture. I also followed up the "See also" links at the bottom of East of the Sun and West of the Moon, and was very gratified to see Tolkien mentioned at Black Bull of Norroway, which, as the article said, he mentioned in his essay On Fairy-Stories. Do you think it is worth adding more links in the right places between the Andrew Lang material and Tolkien's essay? Carcharoth 23:21, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Tolkien certainly knew about Lang's books; in "On Fairy Tales" he describes them in several places. I think it would be quite interesting to add more links -- though I myself am still working on the fairy stories. Goldfritha 00:21, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Though I will note that the Andrew Lang books were indeed children's books. That's part of Tolkien's complaints about them. Goldfritha 01:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh. Sorry about that. Do you agree that the article is no longer a stub, though? Maybe the "children's books" aspect can be covered by placing the article in an appropriate category? (As I've now done). Carcharoth 19:59, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Sure. (Me, I'm still trying to master the arcane differences between stubs and non-stubs. Or perhaps, the arcane differences between what gets tagged as stubs, and what doesn't. 0:) Goldfritha 22:08, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Child ballads

Your work on the Child ballads is exemplary, and is some of the greatest work I have seen on Wikipedia. You are to be congratulated. Huzzah! ---Charles 02:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! Goldfritha 04:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
You are entirely welcome. ---Charles 03:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Seconded. I just saw you making new ones while watching Special:Newpages. It's great to see these reaching Wikipedia. Choess 01:57, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Particular judgment

Thanks for your help on that one. I knew that what I'd written wasn't right but didn't know how to correct it. Jonathan Tweet 23:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Child Ballads

The Original Barnstar
For contributing so much to the Child Ballads articles, which I have recently discovered. You truly deserve the original barnstar. Keep up the wonderful work! -- Underneath-it-All 00:21, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Thank you!  :D Goldfritha 18:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

Hi Goldfritha, I noticed you when you found an old and lost pic of Ragnar Lodbrok and reinserted it. Checking your edits I have seen that you are one of those hard-working, vandalism-reverting, and polite users who should be admins but have not yet been asked and may be too modest to nominate themselves. Are you interested in becoming an admin? I could nominate you if you'd like to.--Berig 23:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words and for thinking I would be good -- I've looked over the page about admins and am not sure -- I will certainly decide over the weekend. Goldfritha 01:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear Goldfritha, I believe you should use edit summaries more often. In my experience, those who use edit summaries in 95% edits or even less often are unlikely to succeed on RfA. --Ghirla -трёп- 13:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Humm. Well, I think I would like to be a Wikipedian a little longer before I try for admin, not having being editting for a year now -- Still, thanks for the offer, Berig. Goldfritha 03:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Divine Comedy Image

I'd just like to point you to my query on the Divine Comedy talk page. If you have any information about the image you considered especially appropriate for this article section (or if you have any information about what the image is, since no useful info is there at wikimedia), please respond. Thanks. Wareh 18:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] golden age and utopia

Some pastoral works of fiction depict life in an imaginary Arcadia as being a continuation of life in the Golden Age; the shepherds of such a land have not allowed themselves to be corrupted into civilization.

Could you cite your sources? Not only this is the WP rule, I also wonder what works feature the Golden Age Pictureuploader 20:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Drat. I should have kept them handy and done it up front. I will have to look them up and it will take some time. Sorry. Goldfritha 23:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Premillennialism

Did you have anything in particular that you would like neutralized on the premillennialism article? I haven't felt like anything was said that isn't in a standard theological encyclopedia.

Wikipedia is not a theological encyclopedia, let alone a standard one. You should revise your standards for inclusion accordingly. Goldfritha 18:51, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fairy tale compilations challenged

Not sure if you have an interest in getting involved, but A Book of Mermaids is having its notability challenged. I guess, hypothetically, this could eventually lead to the article being deleted, which would open the door for all of the articles on the Ruth Manning-Sanders books being deleted. So, just wanted to give you a heads up in case you wanted to join the fledgling discussion. Otto1970 05:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Goldfritha 23:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wizard (fantasy)

Thanks for the invitation to comment on the Wizard (fantasy) article. I do not like that article at all, and the one editor who works on it and thinks he owns it is particularly irritating to try and negotiate with. (I won't name names, well..unless you ask, of course...:) I don't like the overkill focus on D&D (doesn't need two sections on that) and I don't like the "wise old man" copied word for word from it's original article, and I don't see a need to separate out fantasy Wizards from "real world" Wizards, nor a need to build some artificial wall between magic users when the "titles" such as "wizard" or "magician" or even "jedi" are used interchangably throughout fiction, fantasy, sci-fi and even real life.

I don't even like the wizard disambig page. It's weird.

Well, dang, I didn't mean to write that much. Guess I have a lot more thoughts on the subject than I thought! I have to agree with you and Snowfire over there. Let me see how I can assist. Thanks for the invite, and sorry to bend your ear like this! Dreadlocke ☥ 04:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Can't an administrator move the history? If not, I don't really see how it's important anyway, to tell the truth...the important stuff can be saved on the current article's talk page or in an archive. Dreadlocke ☥ 03:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Lordy, this guy argues over everything doesn't he? Writes long, extended, hard to read monologues, then then edit wars on top of it. This is why I quit editing the article a long time ago, it's just not worth it. Dreadlocke ☥

Well, if he ever ignores a consensus on a RFC, there are higher authorities that can be invoked. Goldfritha 00:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Good point. And thus far, consensus doth not goeth his way... :) Dreadlocke ☥ 00:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Humm. Humm. Humm.
Do you think a RFC on him, as a user, is suitable? Goldfritha 00:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Unless he's done something more egregious than in the current discussion, I don't think it's time for a user RfC on him. We'll see how it goes after the redirect/delete RfC is over. Dreadlocke ☥ 18:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

What do you think about this: since Magicians in fantasy was apparently created from information culled from Magician and Wizard (fantasy), and according to jc37 who created the article, there is little to no content from Wizard (fantasy), then why do we even need an article that is mostly a copy of Magician? I think we need to move all the content from Magicians in fantasy to Magician, delete the first and redirect Wizard (fantasy) to Magician. Dreadlocke ☥ 18:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll expand it. Then it will not longer be a copy of Magician. 0:)
(Actually, I want to work on it but didn't want to deal with jc37's reverts all the time, so I want to get the article settled first. And the magician article actually has quite a bit that he didn't copy, and there are several sections in the magicians in fantasy were added after his edits.)
There are two issues: first, putting historical and fantasy magicians into one article might make for confusion, and second, the major one, is that I don't think jc37 will be happy with a redirect to Magician. As far as I can tell, the edit wars are stemming from an idiosyncratic view of what the term "wizard" means -- jc37 repeatedly has said that the type of wizards are distinct.
The second one is, of course, not a reason against a merge but a reason why it might not clear up the dispute. 0:) Goldfritha 22:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for changing the redirect to the proper location! I believe we have consensus as well as Wikipedia policy and guideline on our side. Dreadlocke ☥ 01:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we should continue arguing with him over the redirect issue, unless he tries to change it back. I disagree with every single one of the points in his last edit, including the part about WP:AGF. Let me know if you think differently. Dreadlocke ☥ 01:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Self-fulfilling prophecy

Not every prophecy is a self-fulfilling prophecy. In a self-fulfilling prophecy, the very actions that are taken in order to avoid the perceived prophecy are what set in motion the chain of events by which the prophecy is fulfilled. I think rather than using silent piped links, it would be best to briefly describe why a certain prophecy is self-fulfilling in each case, with a direct link. --Wetman 07:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

It would help if you have a problem with an article, that you then mention that article. And since, yes, the very actions undertaken to prevent Telephus from fulfilling the oracle caused him to, it's a classic example of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Goldfritha 00:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh I am sorry to be imprecise: it was at Telephus. I've left a note at Talk:Telephus expanding on what I posted just above, since I think it's unclear in many people's minds. --Wetman 12:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Award!

The Original Barnstar
I award you this barnstar for your excellent work on the Magicians in fantasy article. - Dreadlocke ☥ 03:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you.  :D Goldfritha 00:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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