Talk:Goa Inquisition

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[edit] Hindus were the focus of the inquistion

Christian converts were the focus of the inquisition. The article relies on anti-christian sources

inquistions were religious presecutions. This one was aimed at Hindus. It is apart Hindu history and their persecution and struggle to survive. That is why the stub should stay. I would have put the xtianity stub, but I thought xtians wouldn't like it and deny it. --Dangerous-Boy 07:13, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, this article lacks objectivity and doesn't meet any criteria of intelectual probity. The author is not only ignorant, but bases his blurb on pure prejudice with total disreard for written documents. The following are historical facts: 1. the iniquisition WAS NOT directed at non-catholics; 2. In the four two hundred years of Inquisition in Goa a total of 214 people were executed.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jandolin (talk • contribs) .

Please see WP:BLP. Do not remove sourced info without consensus. Bakaman _Bakatalk 00:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

This article is ridiculous when it comes to referencing its claims. The "source" http://www.apol.net/dightonrock/inquisition_goa.htm is unscientific and anti-christian slander.

[edit] references?

Where are the references that are supposed to cited for the detailed list?

Have updated the section to the references

[edit] it's all good then.

I'm cool with that.--Dangerous-Boy 21:22, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] kama sutra?

where's your source for that? --Dangerous-Boy

[edit] Needs NPOV =

The material on this page reads as if it all derives from Hindu anti-Christian polemic. This, remember, is used in India TODAY by extremists to justify burning sleeping Australian missionaries and their families alive. That is to say, it looks like propaganda by the group which holds all the power in modern India against a minority which has been the subject of official and unofficial violence. So it's pretty important that whatever is said is accurate, neutral and balanced, particularly since the subject is one that tends to demonise. Some of the article does this; much of it smells as if it had a hate-literature origin.

The general lack of balance is evident in basic things that are missing from the article. Why did the inquisition come? We're not really told, but we're led to suppose it was only because Xavier asked for it. (Is that the actual reason? He was dead by then!) Why did he ask? No answer is given to this. Thus we can infer that the original author just wanted to link St. Francis Xavier, the apostle of the East, to atrocities, and not to explain what was happening here. Other examples are the lack of proper references for any statement; the general tendency of the article to smear the Christian faith-community; the lack of precision, and so forth.

I don't profess to know anything about the subject. I merely enter a plea for NPOV, soon, please. As it stands I think that this article might incite violence against a minority group.

Actually congress holds all the power in India and they support the minorities. St. Xavier wrote the letter. The inquisition was installed 8 years after he died. To top off the insult, the buried him there, and made a monument to him! Probably should put in references later. --Dangerous-Boy 21:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES

http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1137165487

http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1135988901

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_terrorism_in_northeast_india.htm

[edit] i really dont feel that the article is a balaced litrature

i feel that the article is written in a different era by someone who is trying to defame the saint , st.francis xavier i very much do not agree with the article. The refrences made are very general, it was ment to show the christian mission in bad light which is not so.

The need for the inquisition should be studied.

The hinduism which is being practiced now is by far different from what was before. The brahmins and the upper caste used superstion to take advantage of the lower caste people, who are still a big majority community in india.

practices like untouchability,sati and child marriages were rampant during those era and lets not forget human sacrifices and devadasi system which the rational portugese found hard to digest.

The writer also tells us that the inquisition stopped because of the british , but i have to ask him that the people who belived in "divide and rule ", why will let a chance pass them when they see society rotten to such and extent.

I am not against any religion but lets be rational and get the facts right about writing any thing because changing history can have an adverse affect on the person who is reading the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.214.50.173 (talk • contribs).

Sati came because of Muslims raping Hindu women. Child marriages? Life expectancy was extremely low. Untouchability? The Muslims only hired high caste Hindus for work. Bakaman%% 02:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but I burst out laughing at that one. Has to be the funniest explanation for untouchability I've ever read.Hornplease

I think the british cemented untouchability.--D-Boy 07:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

This article is extremely POV. Most of the references are to an absurdly extreme artcle which parrots claims about inquisitors gloating lasciviously over the torture of busty women etc etc. At no point is it made clear that the inquisition concerned supposed converts to Christianity who were suspected of secretlt practicing non-Christian religions. It implies that all non Christians were condemned. Now, it's ceratinly true that there was severe discrimination and that the public practice of Hinduism was proscribed, so there was ceratinly oppression of non-Christians, but we have to be accurate. Paul B 13:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The truth must be stated. If you think the article is POV, then the facts are POV. THe Goa Inquisition was like a mini-Holocaust. If you wished to add the true aim of this pogrom (to make Christian more Christian?) at the beginning I would not oppose, but a record of the brutality has to be kept. Bakaman%% 15:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems Jesuits and Christian fanatics here are perturbed by the reality of holocaust in Goa. The Goa holocaust was a historical fact and to make it a debatable topic is a shame.I am astonished by the very objection of Christian fanatics here.

[edit] Rediff

Rediff is a fine site to use.Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Those questioning murders in Goa show proof

Those who are questioning the burning of Hindus in Goa should show proof. Just saying things like it would rouse murderous anti-minority sentiments or that it's POV are just opinions. They don't challenge the facts of happenings in Goa and the brutality of it all.

[edit] Charles Dellon and Goa Inquisition

The article should say something about Charles Dellon, whose account on the Goa inquisition (Relation de l'lnquisition de Goa), first published in 1687, was an immediate european best-seller translated in many languages inclusive English. This protestant doctor was arrested by the Inquisition and 3 years imprisoned. His description of it played a major role in the fight against intolerance during Enlightenment period, influencing among many Voltaire.

Click here to see Charles Dellon's page on spanish Wikipedia

Click here to see modern publication of Dellon's account (in French)

[edit] st xavier photo

He's the face of the inquisition. Don't remove the photo.Bakaman _Bakatalk 23:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

In what way is Francis Xavier the face of the inquisition? I really don't see the relevance he has to this article. Maybe he's worth a mention, but the photo of him should not be there, and I don't really see why there should be an external link to an article on him. Mind you, that article even says "It is ludicrous to assign to him any of the responsibility for the crimes and cruelty of the Inquisition in Goa." Atreyu81 06:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

Added a POV notice. The burden of proof has been unfairly attempted to be moved to those who deny the so-called "facts" presented on this page. If genocide was committed or attempted at Goa, then the burden of proof is on those who claim this to prove it. Otherwise, the word "genocide" should be wiped from this page. Other changes should be made as well, such as removing the picture of Francis Xavier. The article itself says that Francis Xavier died before the inquisition started, therefore there is no way that he could be called "the face of the inquisition". The entire article is POV. Atreyu81 00:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

You entire comment is POV as well. We have enough external links and references to prove the other points.Baka man 01:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Where does the word, "genocide" come from? It is not mentioned in either of the pages referenced near the use of the term in the article. I suggest this word be removed from the article, as it has absolutely no relevance and is obviously inflammatory. Also, perhaps I should have used the POV tag instead...? Atreyu81 03:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I changed the POV check tag to a POV tag. Atreyu81 06:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Replaced some of the more outlandish, polemical and unsourced allegations. Substituted material backed by History of Goa site.

[edit] Genocide?

I suggest we remove all references to the word "genocide", as there is no evidence of this occurring in the references given. Atreyu81 00:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Done, but the word "massacre" is mentioned in several of the refs. Hkelkar 00:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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