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[edit] Alphabetical order

There is no order to the list. The only natural way to order it is in alphabetical order. Reverting it is illogical.

[edit] GNAA Discussion Page

"GNAA (Slashdot)" exists, so the disambiguation must be here. If you don't like GNAA (Slashdot) discuss it on Talk:GNAA_(Slashdot) GoGi

Please read this. GoGi

[edit] Neutral disambiguation

As of this writing, there exist two organizations known under the acronym GNAA -- the Global Network of Arab Activists and the Gay Nigger Association of America, respectively. This page—the GNAA page— was (at the time of me originally writing this) a redirect to Global Network of Arab Activists and that article had a link to the Gay Nigger Association of America at its top.

I have boldly changed this page to a pure disambiguation page.

I recognize that there a lot of editing to and fro has already occurred and that this is a contentious issue. However, I offer the following reasons for my initiative:

  1. Automatically redirecting to one of the two articles (with the other only being granted a link while the user already is on the "competing" article page) is likely to result in further disagreement over which organization is more important and which of the two respective articles the GNAA page should redirect to. A neutral disambiguation page avoids a contest over this.
  2. Without being familiar with Islam's attitude towards homosexuality and/or Internet trolling, and without being familiar with the Gay Nigger AA's attitude towards Arab culture, I do strongly suspect that the two organizations are very far apart. The Global Network of Arab Activists would probably not appreciate seeing their article adorned with a prominent link to the Gay Nigger Association of America. Likewise, the Gay Nigger Association of America may possibly not want to see their activities considered Arab activism (admittedly, being a troll organization, they might also find this amusing).
  3. "GNAA" is just an acronym. It is appropriate that the pure acronym page should be a redirect and the respective articles should remain logged under more detailed names.
  4. Looking at other cases where there are multiple definitions for an acronym, it would also certainly appear to me that is is Wikipedia convention to handle such issues this way.
  5. Only in cases where one acronym expansion is ubiquituously known and other definitions are not is there precedent for redirecting directly to an article and having a neutral statement of "For other meanings, see XYZ (disambiguation)" at the top.
  6. Neither of the two definitions in this case are truly ubiquituously known.

For these reasons, I made this page a neutral redirect page.

The order of listing both options was alphabetical (but someone has changed that since, which I don't consider an issue with only two options).

I am aware that the "GNAA (Slashdot)" page remains orphaned under this solution -- it was however orphaned before, so nothing changes in that respect.

If you think things should be changed again despite the above reasons, then please use the Talk page and give people a realistic chance to reply before making further changes. Thank you.

Ropers 02:09, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

PS: And yes, I have seen the "Gay Niggers from Outer Space" film -- a not unfunny member of the "so bad, it's good" movie category. I'm just saying.

[edit] Global Network of Arab Activists

Since this page lost VfD a few days ago, we should probably get rid of the red link before someone recreates the page. Forget it, I only posted this because the page was protected, but now it's unprotected and Silsor added several more expansions. If people want all those articles, I don't object. I'm relatively new here, so I don't want to be the one to start the next edit war or VfD controversy over this acronym.

Dave6 04:20, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Why did my order change get removed? It looks like you're trying to put Gay Nigger Association of America at the bottom in all your edits.

You could go off on me, or you could actually look at the page history. silsor 00:37, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
I fail to see how asking you to provide justification for your edits is 'going off' on you. I don't see why one entry should always float to the bottom, unless you're trying to hide it or some such.
Is it really that much trouble to look at the page history like I asked? In this edit, an anonymous contributor moved the article to the bottom of the list. I moved it back to near the top.
Anonymous users seem a little fishy after taking such an unusual interest in this page (a favourite target of vandals and trolls) that they want to put it in "alphabetical order" - which coincidentally is the same as listing the Gay Nigger Association of America first. silsor 22:13, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
If you have any other suggestions as to order that doesn't put one entry (somewhat unfairly) towards the end, i'd love to hear them.
Lists generally have a beginning and an end. Am I missing something? silsor 01:12, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
Stop evading. Please to answer my question.
You're crazy if you're expecting an answer to a nonsensical question. "Please suggest an order for this list that does not have an ending" indeed. silsor 16:23, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
Quite frankly, I don't understand the hassle over putting it in an order like everything else. I think you should stop being so anal and become a little more logical. Alphabetical order is completely appropriate for this list. --SpinelessCommie 16:50, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
THANK YOU. wtf was silsor's (more like silswhore) problem?
In this previous edit I changed the ordering using Google popularity. I don't know why the order changed again, though. It seemed a pretty reasonable solution to me, what do you think? Sam Hocevar 13:15, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] doubtful additions

We removed Greater Nashville Auburn Association and Global Network of Arab Activists from the list a few months ago, because there were no articles about them. This is why I also removed the recent addition of Gamma neutron activation analysis and Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica because there was no article about them. I also suspect, while still assuming the utmost good faith from Brian0918 (of course), that this edit's unexpected side effect might have been to remove the trolling organisation from the first position in the list. Brian, I find it quite surprising that you found about the Gamma neutron activation analysis (Google hits for +gnaa +"Gamma neutron activation analysis": exactly one page) but did not find it useful to clutter the disambiguation page again with Greater Nashville Auburn Association and Global Network of Arab Activists. They are probably a hundred time more relevant.

While I definitely enjoy the ever growing imagination of people who will fight to the death until Gay Nigger Association of America is no longer the first entry in the list, I am hoping we could agree that the amount of Google hits give a reasonable guess of what the reader expects to see first when looking for "GNAA" (or presumably any other ambiguous name) in a search engine. Sam Hocevar 18:08, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Note my comment in the previous topic. If it is so important a subject, why did no one answer to me? Sam Hocevar 18:09, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

I've created Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica. Let's see if you will still hold true to the alphabetical order so fully supported on this talk page. Please realize that Google is only one test of notability. This national gallery is obviously more notable than the gnaa. Don't even bother arguing it. As for Gamma neutron activation analysis, you may want to check who wrote the article on mixed waste. On a side note, I'm not trying to destroy the gnaa article, I fully supported it in its FAC attempted, and battled with several of the opposers. Thanks for the subtle personal attacks, though, I'll add them to the collection. :)  BRIAN0918  18:20, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Can you explain who refers to the Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica as GNAA? I honestly think you are just inventing meanings. In fact, I cannot even find any reference to GNAA on the official website, let alone a website on the whole Internet that uses the acronym GNAA in a sentence (I must admit I could find a massive amount of 3 URLs using the acronym, though, which is more than 2 more than I initially expected).
As for the alphabetical order so fully supported on this talk page, I invite you to read the page again and realise that I have never been a great supporter of it, preferring the Google page count. For ages. And please explain how likely it is that someone looks for "GNAA" because they came across that acronym which was referring to the Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica, compared to the troll organisation or the Greater Nashville Auburn Association. Of course I will happily acknowledge that Google is (of course) not the only test of notability, and if you can provide a test that you think works well, please do, and we will see how me might combine both to get the best result.
I have also never stated that you were trying to destroy the GNAA article that you supported in FAC. Please excuse my approximate language skills in case I might have written something that could remotely look like I said that. And if challenging the validity of changes represents personal attacks, maybe you should consider not changing the ordering of a list that states "by alphabetical order", for instance, or your collection will obviously grow bigger. Sam Hocevar 22:05, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

[1]. It's a world famous national gallery in Rome that was built for a Pope and houses artwork by Raphael among others. Regardless of your opinion of the proper order, this talk page prefers alphabetical order. If you prefer notability, the national gallery is obviously more notable than a group of internet trolls (even on Google, "Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica" gets 10x the hits of "Gay Nigger Association"). Only about 1/6 of the world has an internet connection, and only a small fraction of them have heard of the Gay Nigger Association of America; nobody else has heard of the group, so don't even bother arguing notability. There is a big wide world outside virtual internet forums and chat rooms, regardless of whether you would like to admit it or not. -- BRIAN0918  22:23, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Brian0918, if this is not a bad faith edit, do you also support making SF link to "Sagrada Familia", P to "Parthenon" and so on, for every building that has an article on wikipedia? You will agree that those two are certainly more notable than the gallery in question. It obviously isn't regularly reffered to as "the GNAA" so I doubt your motivation here. I don't dispute the notability of the gallery, I just don't think every single article on wikipedia should be linked to by its acronym. Pigger 22:27, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I'm not for organizing by notability, I'm for organizing alphabetically, as has been the norm with all other things on Wikipedia. -- BRIAN0918  22:31, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Did you even read what I wrote? To make it clear, I don't think "GNAA" should link to the gallery at all, and I consider what you are doing to be in bad faith, because I didn't notice that notable buildings (like my examples) are linked to from their acronyms on wikipedia. Unlike the Gay Nigger Association of America, the gallery obviously isn't regularly reffered to as "the GNAA", so it has nothing to do with the acronym, apart from the fact that the first letters of the words match, but that is not reason enough to link it, or every article on wikipedia would be linked to from its acronym's page. Pigger 22:41, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
See, your examples are what we call a straw man fallacy. Unlike the national gallery, of which there are at least 30 Google hits using the acronym, I doubt there are any hits showing P stands for Parthenon (and if there are, that's fine with me; that's exactly what disambiguation pages are for). You cannot deny that GNAA can refer to Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica, so, given that this disambiguation page states "GNAA can refer to (in alphabetic order):", it is only natural that this gallery not only be included, but be placed at the beginning. Given the tone of your comments and your quickness to calling my work "bad faith" (including my creating an article on a very notable subject), I shall also move to consider your motives to be in "bad faith". -- BRIAN0918  22:43, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Actually, you are wrong, that would be an example of a false analogy, not a straw man fallacy. This is a straw man falacy. Always willing to educate - Pigger <3
Ahh yes, my bad. -- BRIAN0918  22:50, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
How can you find 30 Google hits using the acronym, while I can only find 2 pages using both "Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica" and "GNAA" (to which I would agree to add two other pages where "gnaa" is used as part of a filename)? Also, it seems you were quick to call false analogy on the P/Parthenon example, but in your hurry you forgot to refute the SF/Sagrada Familia example. See for instance how http://www.manyanet.org/ or http://www.travelblog.org/Europe/Spain/Barcelona/blog-8570.html where S.F. or SF is clearly used to mean Sagrada Familia. Don't hesitate to enlighten us! Sam Hocevar 17:02, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
Since when has organising alphabetically become a norm? We have always been organising by relevance, AFAIK. In fact, I am struggling to find an acronym disambiguation page that is purposedly sorted alphabetically (my random tries were FFF, IRL, BSD, TLA, WTF, XXX...) Sam Hocevar 16:47, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I removed Gamma neutron activation analysis from the list. As anyone can see for himself, the most common of these techniques are known as PGNAA (P standing for pulsed or prompt), DGNAA or LS-DGNAA (D standing for delayed) but I could find no reference to this family of methods referred to as GNAA.

  • I doubt all of these separate methods would ever have their own articles. Instead, they would all be grouped together under one title, ie GNAA. Anyway, it's a red link so feel free to remove it. -- BRIAN0918  16:35, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, of course not. They would all be grouped together under one title, ie Gamma neutron activation analysis. Why this insistance on trying to create a meaning for an acronym when it is actually never used in that field? Sam Hocevar 16:47, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Brian0918, it is now the second time you claim there are more than 30 Google hits for the gallery and the GNAA acronym (once above in this discussion, and once in your latest edit to the page where the figure was no longer 30 but 100). I still can only find 4 such pages. Also, you are refusing to discuss with that anonymous user on the grounds that he'll never listen to you, but you still haven't explained where on Google you found 100 pages using GNAA for the gallery. Sam Hocevar 17:32, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Sorry, I didn't remember the figure so I just did a google search for GNAA and Gallery or Galleria or something. This says 37. As I've repeatedly said, Google is only useful in certain instances (eg if you're comparing two online things). The gallery is obviously more notable than the gnaa, and plenty of notable Italian gallery sites use "GNAA" as an abbreviation for the gallery. You do realize that the anonymous user is a member of the GNAA, right? His website is commonly linked to in gnaa IRC channels. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-08-13 17:47
I am sorry, on my computer, this says 15, not 37. Let us have a look at a few of them:
Which leaves us with at most 6 remotely relevant pages. How are you going to convince anyone that this should be 100 or even 37? Sam Hocevar 18:14, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Also, you are endlessly mixing the concepts of "X being notable", and of "the use of GNAA as referring to X being widespread" (which should definitely be the main disambiguation criterion, but no one ever answered my requests for comments about this ordering). Sam Hocevar 17:41, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Actually, I think it is you who are confusing what this article says, as well as what people on the talk page say. The article says "GNAA can refer to (in alphabetical order)", and indeed "GNAA" is used by notable Italian gallery sites to refer to this gallery (as well as countless unknown print media), and indeed "Galleria" does come before "Gay" alphabetically. I'm simply following the wishes of those on the talk page, as well as the wording used in the article. You are trying to go against all of this, as if people looking for "Gay Nigger Association of America" would have a difficult time finding the 2nd item on the list. Stop wasting my time. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-08-13 17:47
I am not discussing what the article says. I am discussing what it should say, hence my numerous attempts at proposing ordering by relevance. It is not because I do not change the article that I agree with what's in it (and it seems I do well by not changing it, because you keep reverting the edit in favour of which I am arguing, ignoring 3RR, and also blocking the editor). But in the end, I feel like it's hopeless discussing on the talk page since I get constantly ignored. You cannot say "I follow what the article says" (ie. alphabetical order) if it's what we are arguing about. Sam Hocevar 18:19, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Also, I hope you are well aware that "countless unknown print media" cannot be considered a valid source of information. In fact, being unknown, I doubt they can be considered anything at all. Sam Hocevar 19:19, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] GNAA can refer to edit war

Evidence: http://www.bayou.com/~woodland/gnaa.html Evidence: Over 500 matches for a google search of "gnaa" and "edit war" (http://www.google.com/search?q=gnaa+edit+war)

This evidence is at least as good as what User:Brian0918 presented to justify the addition of Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica; so if it goes from the list, then Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica must also go, logically.

[edit] brian0918

Since someone (probably some jew) protected the page, I have to comment here:

That makes even less sense. The Gallery is far more notable than any of the other things on this list - Brian0918

Really guys, why are we so naive to believe that an organization of homosexual blacks or native Americans could be more notable than one of whites? It is probably even Wikipedia policy that in all cases blacks go below whites on lists. Pigger 18:07, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Summary of my remarks to Brian0918

Brian, I am sorry if my comments and questions are a bit mixed everywhere. I will try to make it easier for you to answer (and maybe less aggressive, sorry if the tone seemed a bit heated).

  • About the use of the alphabetical order:
    • This is not, and has never been, "common Wikipedia practice". See for instance FFF, IRL, BSD, TLA, WTF, XXX, RSS. In fact, I am tired of browsing Category:Three-letter acronym disambiguations to find a single article that is alpha-sorted (there may well be a few, but they would obviously be the exception, or even have happened by sheer luck).
    • There is no "alphabetical order so fully supported on this talk page". For instance, silsor and I, though we disagree on which entry should come first, are in favour of sorting by relevance. Other article contributors who have not contributed to the talk page, such as Natalinasmpf, seem to support this point of view, too.
    • You seemed to be in favour of ordering by relevance, too, judging by your first edit on this article.

Do you disagree with the above statements, and if so, can you please tell me how? Sam Hocevar 20:08, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

  • I see the fact that the GNAM is shown on Google to be frequently abbreviated GNAM as evidence that the GNA Antica is frequently abbreviated GNAA as well, whether or not it is indexed on Google.
Oh dear. And you were the one talking about fallacies? The GNAM is used in many places as a reference to the gallery, there does not seem to be a single sentence on the Internet using GNAA as a reference to the other gallery, and you claim that it is proof that GNAA is actually used to mean that? Please explain the logic behind this.
  • You don't? There's no difference between these galleries or their huge worldwide popularity. It just so happens that on the internets, GNAM gets more hits.
We are not talking about more hits, we are talking about hundreds of hits versus no hits at all. One could argue about anything that has no Internet coverage using that it just happens it gets more hits logic.
  • But, in case you didn't realize, there are other forms of print media besides the digital.
Sure, I will be very glad to hear about the Italian print media that talk about la GNAA.
  • Using an internet search engine to compare something highly popular that has no internet presence with something that is only slightly notable (as seen by all the VFDs) on the internet itself is not a good comparison. As for no references to the Galleria as GNAA, [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]. I really don't care whether or not you accept any of these as valid, because I think you're choosing not to accept them by definition. I think it's pretty ridiculous that you're still debating whether the Gallery is abbreviated GNAA, and that you're supporting/defending known members of an internet troll group. Whether we sort alphabetically or by notability, the Gallery will still easily be on top. You're choosing to redefine words and sophisticate to get your way, and it got old a long time ago. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-08-14 16:42
Links 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 only mention GNAA because they use the title of the page in link 3. Link 15 does not even mention GNAA. Which leaves us with 7 rather valid pages, though none of them uses GNAA in a sentence. May I interpret this as an approval by you of my second remark, then?
Also, I find it quite insulting that you accuse me of redefining words when at the same time you try to give the acronym GNAA a meaning that it does not have. I have done a very thorough search of specialised art sites, even places not reachable by Google (such as http://www.artcyclopedia.com/scripts/tsearch.pl?t=gnaa&type=3) and I have found no evidence of what you are claiming. Until you have found such evidence, you know what it is? Original research, that's all.
By the way, does anyone here support your point of view? Because the few people taking part in the discussion were supporting mine (before you blocked them, of course). Sam Hocevar 17:13, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for not answering my question in bold. That's why I put it in bold; that means "ignore this question". — BRIAN0918 • 2005-08-14 17:34
Thanks for ignoring the fact that I asked "Please explain the logic behind this." before I can answer your question. If I don’t understand your logic, I cannot tell you whether I agree with it or not. But if you want a temporary answer until you clarify: no, I don’t think I do. Cheers, Sam Hocevar 17:36, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
You agree that the modern art gallery is known to be abbreviated GNAM. You refuse to believe that the ancient art gallery is known to be abbreviated GNAA. I've given you numerous examples which you've chosen to toss out. You won't acknowledge that there exist other print media outside your interweb. You can't be helped. This debate is pointless. I'm done wasting time with your blatant sophistry. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-08-14 17:46
I agree that the modern art gallery is known to be abbreviated GNAM because I have seen hundreds of sentences in Italian talking about "la GNAM" to refer to it. And of course, having seen exactly zero of such sentences using "la GNAA", I refuse to believe the same for the ancient art gallery. The "numerous" examples you talk about amount to about seven pages (none of them using the abbreviation in a sentence). And nowhere did I refuse to acknowledge that there exist other print media, but unfortunately for this to have any meaning maybe you could cite a few of them that talk about "la GNAA". Otherwise, the only thing I can do to counter this non-argument is by using another non-argument, such as the numerous print media that say that you are wrong. By the way, if you put brackets around the word sophistry it becomes a link, and you can click on it to learn how it massively applies to your reasoning. Sam Hocevar 18:18, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
Why are you supporting people who vandalized my user page, made personal attacks, sent me threatening emails, and/or have identified themselves as members of the gnaa? Or are you choosing to ignore this fact so you can say they "supported your view" and were "unjustly" blocked by me? — BRIAN0918 • 2005-08-14 17:39
I am not supporting any people (implying this is not far from a personal attack I prefer to ignore) and definitely not their vandal actions. I am supporting my views of what the article should look like. And for the record, I have never stated that the blocks were "unjust"; I said that you, being personally involved in an edit war and making dubious claims of vandalism, shouldn’t have done the block, and should have rather asked for a third party to do it. Sam Hocevar 18:10, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
What the hell are you talking about, can you please show me where I vandalized your user page or sent you threatening e-mails? Also, I would appreciate you showing me a wikipedia policy page that states being in the GNAA is a reason to be blocked. I also wonder why you didn't even respond to my e-mail (in which I absolutely didn't threaten you) or leave a comment on my talk page. Piggest (pigger)

I am protecting this page until users have resolved these disputes. Please do not engage in revert warring. --Ryan Delaney talk 18:40, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Brian0918 refuses to give any logical reasoning behind his edits, so I feel that any attempt at resolving this dispute here is severely flawed. People have already tried (see above) to no avail. 84.12.199.138 18:47, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
I suspect that a lot of the people who keep reverting to add articles are simply trying to divert attention from the infamous Gay Nigger Association of America article, which they find distasteful for some reason. --Jacj 16:46, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
And you'd be wrong. I fully supported the GNAA article becoming a featured article. Learn your facts before making accusations. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-08-20 21:14

[edit] Protection status

It's been almost a month since the page was protected. Maybe we should at least attempt to resolve the issues, so let's start humbly: please make your case for why the disambiguation change should use this or that criteria when sorting and also deciding what is worthy of inclusion and what isn't. As it is, I'm still pondering. --claviola (talk to me) 17:59, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. I think the following issues should be decided upon.

  • Should GNAA be a disambiguation page?
  • If not, then what?
  • If yes, then:
    • What should be included?
    • What popularity style should be used to define whether it should be included (ie: Google, PR, general usage)?
    • What order should it be sorted in?

I, for one, think that GNAA should be a disambiguation page, listed in alphabetical order. Alphabetical order is the only order that makes sense in this case. Why list by popularity? Who is Google to decide (ie: There are other search engines in existance people...)? Perhaps it's just me, but who cares if the Gay Nigger Association of America is listed first? If it happens to be the first alphabetically, and the page is listed as such, 99.99% of people won't complain. Just because it's a trolling organization, offensive, and looked down upon by most internet-aware people is no reason to lower it's status. In my opinion, that's rather being biased and POV. ^demon, 14:17, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

  • I supported the gnaa article's FAC and defended it thoroughly, but I also am trying to put the Gallery at the top because it comes first alphabetically and it is verifiable that the gallery has been abbreviated as GNAA. Unfortunately, I was in a losing battle against members and friends of the gnaa, who want their name at the top and claim I'm against the gnaa, despite my support of their article. I'm not against them, I'm against the idea that Google should be used as a barometer of notability, especially when we're talking about the world famous GNAA (National Gallery of Ancient Art), which these people deny being abbreviated as such, while they don't deny that the GNAM (National Gallery of Modern Art) is abbreviated as such, based solely on Google notability. This whole debate is utterly ridiculous. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-10-14 04:44
    • Brian, you and User:Silsor should just give up. In Italy we don't use acronyms as much as english people do, so please stop being so jerky. Also in italian "gnam" is an onomatopoeic word that means "I'm hungry" and "gnaa" is the the same for "I'm a moron". When I was a child I used to shout "gnaa gnaa gnaa" to mimic people with disabilities. These two acronyms are quite never used in Italy to reference any art galleries because they sound stupid. - Femmina 21:31, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
      • Don't you mean "In Texas"? Thanks for the very productive trolling effort. It is truly a tribute to humanity. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-10-20 14:16

[edit] Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica

The ONLY place the Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Antica is referred to as GNAA is in fact on wikipedia and its clones. so, logically, it should be removed from the disambiguation page.

  • Your statement is incorrect, as has been thoroughly discussed and shown before. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-12-12 17:38Z

[edit] Including links

Ok, I see alot of anon's and even user's adding this link to the article. Please come here and discuss it first.

That page is deleted, and protected from recreation. Unless the DRV decides to overturn the result of the AfD then the link should not be here as the group has been found not to be verifiably notable.

If you disgree, talk here but do not simply post the link over and over. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 15:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:MOSDAB#Redlinks is pretty clear on this. "Links to non-existent articles ('redlinks') may be included only when an editor is confident that an encyclopedia article could be written on the subject." Since the article has been AfD'd, one can no longer be confident that an encyclopedia article will be written on the subject. Leaving it in but removing the link also isn't a possibility becase "disambiguation pages are solely intended to allow users to choose among several Wikipedia articles". Disambiguation pages are never used for free-form listing of abbreviations. Wiktionary sometimes is, but only if it's a very frequently used abbreviation. --Interiot 21:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
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