Talk:Glenn McGrath

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Contents 1 awards 2 Image 3 Too much text 4 McGrath and racism

[edit] awards

How do you put Glenn McGrath's name in the bowlers who have taken Bowlers who have taken 5 wickets in a Test innings 25 times or more box?--Rickster89 00:44, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Done AlbinoMonkey 00:53, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Glenn McGrath's name needs to be put in the Bowlers who have taken 300 ODI wickets box and I don't know how to do it.----Rickster89 11:07, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image

Put this image up but it was reverted. Surely its fair use to have one low res tv screenshot that we took ourselves in an article? Astrokey44 11:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have put a note on the talk page when I reverted it. My understanding is that a TV screenshot is only fair use when talking about the TV programme, not when talking about the person depicted. That's what it says on Template:Film-screenshot anyway. Stephen Turner 12:04, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

How about if it were put under this template? Template:Screenshot It just says screenshots in general there, although it does say theyd prefer a more specific template. And I also found a sports article which uses a pic under the film-screenshot template: Joey Harrington It would just be nice to get rid of all these black head silhouettes on all the cricket articles :/ Astrokey44 12:56, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I see you changed the template and then put the picture back. I don't think you've understood the issue here. We're not talking about Wikipedia policy, but about the law. Changing the template doesn't make the use of any images more or less legal. Only parliaments and courts can do that. The template is just a guideline to Wikipedia editors about the state of the law.

For a discussion about a very similar issue (but with magazine covers instead of TV programmes) see Wikipedia_talk:Fair_use#Cover_Photos. So I'm afraid I've reverted your changes to Template:Film-screenshot. I'm not trying to be difficult here, although I realise it may seem like it. I too would love to see more photos of cricketers. It's just that we have to be very, very careful to stay on the right side of the law. As Wikipedia becomes one of the most high-profile sites on the internet, we are also at increasing risk of being sued for multiple copyright infringement.

Stephen Turner 08:32, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

The thing is about that template, is I doubt it was put together by anyone who knew the law very well, its just someone strung a few words together, and now you accept it as fact because its in a nice little box. I seriously doubt Glenn McGrath is going to sue us over a tiny, low resolution image of him when Google image search reveals for instance "Results 1 - 20 of about 2,230 for glenn mcgrath". Most blogs and sites out there would copy a image like this [1] without even thinking about it. Astrokey44 12:31, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

I concur with everything Stephen has said. These templates are not just a few words strung together without anyone considering their contents. Have a read of Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and the associated talk page to get an idea of the issue. There is a process of review and consensus before a image template is put into use, and some (in the case of {{Screenshot}}) get deprecated from time to time. Yes there are websites out there that no doubt use copyright photos, but they are breaking the law. We can only speculate that the owner of the copyright of such a photo may not bother chasing dozens of smallish websites up but may choose to go after Wikipedia because it is so well used. ---

ok fine then, but any screenshot appears to be able to be used with Template:Screenshot (instead of template film screenshot), which I have now added to the photo

No you can't. This is the reason that we (by "we" I mean WP:WPFU) are in the process of rewriting all of the fair use image tags. Screenshots from television programs can only be used for commentary on the television programme itself, regardless of what tag they're tagged with. We're in the process of rewriting the tags to indicate what uses are valid under fair use, but we just haven't gotten around to Template:Screenshot yet. I also agree with Stephen Turner's and Ianbrown's comments above. JYolkowski // talk 14:48, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

How was I supposed to know you havent hadnt got around to changing it? I notice that you have changed it now, so fair enough (now) I guess Astrokey44 15:37, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Too much text

Too much text in this article, should be more subheadings. another job for Vines or Turner. thanks.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.56.65.6 (talk • contribs) .

I agree it could use a couple more subheadings Astrokey44 10:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] McGrath and racism

Im curious, why isnt there anything on the incident(s) where McGrath called Jayasuriya a 'black monkey'. This kind of racist behaviour/attitude seems to come built in in every australian, nevermind the australian cricket team.