User talk:Gingerdave

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Hello, Gingerdave, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  Oldelpaso 17:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Manchester City F.C.

Due to the length of the Manchester City F.C. article (it's more or less at the limit of how long an article should get), consider using History of Manchester City F.C. for additions to the History section instead. You may also be interested in WikiProject Football. Thanks. Oldelpaso 18:25, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, long term I want to fill out all the red links on List of Manchester City F.C. players (i.e. an article for all those to have played more than 100 games for the club). As you can see, there's still a daunting number of them left to do, including several key players from the Mercer-Allison years. Any help with that would be most welcome. Good work on Colin Bell, btw. Oldelpaso 20:29, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Blimey, you have been busy, puts my recent article creation efforts to shame. I guess the next thing to do would be to ensure all those new articles have categories as others have recommended, which is quite easy to do, you just put a list of them at the bottom, like Category:1966 births and Category:Manchester City F.C. players. Look at the wikimarkup from the article of a recent City player to see how it's done. Oldelpaso 21:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi have a look at Steve Redmond now. This is how to categorize. good luck James Janderson 10:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey mate PLEASE remember to categorize see Steve Redmond otherwise your articles are not linked. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 11:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Please also use {{Footybio-stub}} for your football biographies in order for other editors to find them and fill them out. Regards,  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  11:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

FOR GOD SAKE CATEGORIZE!!!! I HAVE KIND OF TOLD YOU THIS MANY TIMES.

[edit] Re: Manchester City players

Ive edited more articles relating to the subject mentioned above but did not have the time to put in what you suggested- Gingerdave

Hmm, if you're going to leave messages along these lines, I would suggest that you either:
a) slow down the editing in order to make sure that you include stubs such as {{Footybio-stub}} and related categories, or
b) give me or an interested editor the titles of the articles that you have edited in order for me to follow-up, otherwise this message is a non-sequitur. Giving people as much information as they need in order to perform a task cuts down on the time that it takes for the task to be performed, yes?
I would recommend that you adopt strategy a) rather than b), as the latter relies upon input from others which you cannot be sure will be forthcoming. You can probably find editors who are interested in Football at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football. Regards,  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  22:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I apologise if you thought that i was being lazy but i am a busy man. I was asked if i could help provide certain information and i have done this. There is no need to take such a pompous and patronising tone with me as you did in the message i received on my user page. As far as i was concerned the task was completed when i provided the information- it was not incomplete merely because i had not added certain presentational devices which i question the use of. As is my motto substance matters more than form. The fact that i highlighted the fact that io had not done what you had suggested indicates that i was conscientious in highlighting to you that i had not done so that you could dop so or so that you could ask someone else to do so. Im sorry if i sound stern but i will not be spoken to like a child just because i did not follow petty rules when the bottom line of the matter is that i was trying to help out by providing information which i had readily available and other people may not have had. Take care, —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gingerdave (talk • contribs).

At no point did I say or hint that you were a lazy editor in my correspondence. Rather, I said that you should slow down and insert the appropriate categories and stubs in to the articles that you create in order for other editors to find and fill them out. To leave this part of the article creation process out means that some of the articles that you create risk being lost as nothing will link to them. Nobody wants orphan articles or to see your work go to waste.
"As far as i was concerned the task was completed when i provided the information- it was not incomplete merely because i had not added certain presentational devices which i question the use of."
If all you intend to provide is a stub then please mark your articles as such in order for other users to complete them. Many people create stubs rather than complete articles - if any article in Wikipedia can be said to be complete - due to time pressure or lack of reference materials. This is a perfectly legitimate way to contribute to the body of knowledge on this encyclopedia. If you question the use of stubs and categories as "presentational devices" then please read Wikipedia:Stub and Wikipedia:Categorization for details. These are not "petty rules" they are central to the system of information organisation and retrieval of Wikipedia and many other reference materials such as encyclopædiæ and dictionaries, even things like the Yellow Pages. My correspondence with other editors is at no point intended to be patronising, neither is yours interpreted as stern on my part. Regards,  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  15:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
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