Talk:Gilgit

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The result of the debate was Move to Gilgit. Duja^► 16:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The page should stay at Gilgit, a disambiguation page can be created separately at Gilgit (disambiguation), because the word Gilgit usually refers to the Gilgit that IS described on this page. Just like Opal has the main page and other meanings are written at Opal (disambiguation). Waqas.usman 12:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Opal is much more known than Gilgit. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 23:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Who defines "much more"? I don't know Opal, but I do know Gilgit. To anyone who's been to the Northern Areas (or has even heard about the places there), the single word Gilgit means Gilgit town, unless you specify Gilgit River or Gilgit District.

Also, see New York, it doesn't waste the main link of "New York" for a disambig page that says

New York may refer to

• New York City
• New York State
• New York Police Department
• New York Yankees

Did you note that New York City is more popular than New York State? The page New York by default tells about the main thing that's called New York, and that is New York State, unless you specify New York City (and it has a disambig link on top, just like the Gilgit page had before as well, you could expand that to a full disambig page). Same should be the case with Hunza and Gilgit; they should talk about the main thing that the word means, instead of wasting the most useful link on a disambig page. Do you get the point now or not?

If you still don't get it, I'd like you to change New York to a disambig page, first move the whole page to New York State. If you can't do that, don't do so with Hunza and Gilgit either. Waqas.usman 22:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

What would it help if I move New York to dab? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 23:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

• I tend to agree with Waqas.usman. According to Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Primary topic: When there is a well known primary meaning for a term or phrase (indicated by a majority of links in existing articles and consensus of the editors of those articles that it will be significantly more commonly searched for and read than other meanings), then that topic may be used for the title of the main article[.] Clearly, the "majority of links in existing articles" test is met -- I went through the 79 pages that, as of today, contained links to Gilgit, and found that only 17 of them needed to be repointed to articles other than Gilgit, Pakistan (which I did). Of course, that is not the sole test, since it could lead to defining "consensus" based on who edited most recently. But I also note that Waqas.usman, who appears to be the only editor here familiar with common usage in the vicinity, has pointed out that "Gilgit" refers to the city in everyday use unless it is otherwise qualified. Finally, and to me most importantly, this is not a case like San Jose or Kingston where we have to disambiguate among a series of articles on places that are entirely unrelated except for coincidentally sharing a name. All of the "Gilgit" disambiguation targets are related to the city and its vicinity; a reader who accidentally ends up on Gilgit, Pakistan while searching for, say, the Gilgit Valley or Gilgit River will not have much trouble navigating to the correct article. So, that's a long-winded way of saying I support moving the disambig page to Gilgit (disambiguation) and changing Gilgit into a redirect to Gilgit, Pakistan. --Russ (talk) 21:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

• Support - how did the country name end up in the title anyway? This is an obvious move. --Yath 11:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
• Support - other uses seem much less prominent than the city. --Polaron | Talk 13:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

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