Talk:German minority in Poland

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[edit] Wprost

Honestly, Molobo, those edits are in striking contrast to the recent sarcasm. It is simply blatant POV pushing. Sciurinæ 11:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the examples of German misconduct. These were minor incidents, not notable enough to be mentioned in encyclopedic article. Also I don't find them useful in the context of the article. This is not a newspaper. --_Lysy^talk 15:45, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Untrue-the hostile actions of German minority in Poland have been subject of debates in Polish Parliament, were presented in several leading media in Poland.As such they are notable.

--Molobo 16:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Media feed on incidents, encyclopedia does not. Maybe you could summarize the situation in a more descriptive way instead of giving these examples, which seem to be rather marginal on their own. (I will better not comment on what's happening in Polish Parliament). --_Lysy^talk 16:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

As you know media reports are pefectly accepted on Wikipedia which is not a paper. Also personal opinions on quality of debate in Polish Parliament are of no relevance on notablity.So if several media have reported disturbing activity by German minority and it was subject of debates in Parliament, I think it is notable enough to be put in the article. --Molobo 17:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Let me quote the beginning of the article that you've cited yourself. Huzia na Niemca!: "Nie ma tygodnia, by opolscy Niemcy nie musieli się tłumaczyć z prawdziwych albo wydumanych afer." As you see, even the article that you cite questions in the very first sentence if these incidents really happened. That something has been disputed in the parliament does not mean anything. --_Lysy^talk 17:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

The article I gave and which you brought up is from German minority, it served as a proof for statements of the leader of German Minority who stated that they "Don't care about Republic of Poland". --Molobo 18:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

How could u Molobo try to frame Fritz Haber as a sadistic murderer? he invented fertilizers and won a Nobel Prize for his research. Simply because chemical weapons were developed from his research doesnt make him a horrible murderer. If that were true then Einstein and everyone else who worked on nuclear development is a mass murderer because the Nuclear bomb was developed from it. Fritz Haber is not "infamous" as u stated, but rather a famous and respected man whose research was used to do wrong.Jadger 03:37, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

True, as is described in the article of Fritz Haber. What I'd like to know is whether the newspaper article that Molobo cited had tried to convey the same message as Molobo, or whether a certain student of journalism just became creative again. Sciurinæ 10:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

The articles were much more extensive, obviously. What's your point, anyway ? --_Lysy^talk 11:26, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Lysy, I'd like to know whether there is any bias in the text that Molobo just mirrors or whether Molobo just cherrypicks arguments to achieve this one-sidedness. It has nothing to do with the article as such. Sciurinæ 23:07, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Fritz Haber is not "infamous" as u stated, but rather a famous and respected man whose research was used to do wrong. Not in Poland as it seems.By the way his wife comitted suicide as a protest against his actions. --Molobo 12:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC) From Fritz Haber:

In his studies of the effects of poison gas, Haber noted that exposure to a low concentration of a poisonous gas for a long time often had the same effect (death) as exposure to a high concentration for a short time. He formulated a simple mathematical relationship between the gas concentration and the necessary exposure time. This relationship became known as Haber's rule. Haber defended gas warfare --Molobo 12:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC) Truly famous and respected man by Sciurinæ and Jadger. Not really surprising is it ? --Molobo 12:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Neverthless it does not matter what I or Sciurinæ or Jadger think about him. What matters is the reaction of Polish society since that is the issue of the part of the article. --Molobo 14:08, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

it does not matter what the Polish ppl thought about it, as that can be seen in the newspaper article which u should link if we are to keep this, what matters is that we try not to paint Haber as a sadistic mass-murderer as u had it stated.Jadger 16:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)