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[edit] # 1's
In January 2006 Straits song "She Let Herself Go" made national music news for being his 40th number 1. Billboard magazine is the official chart. They combine other charts like "airplay" and "sales" to make the official chart. If we were to count number 1's from all independent charts like " # 1 most played song in New York" or " # 1 most sold single in Tennessee" the # 1 songs would be countless. I believe in all fairness we should go by the official chart publisher Billboard. The difference in 40 and 50 number ones can cause too many aguments between people who don't know what makes a song # 1. HOWLES
Billboard is only the "official" chart because they say so. Conway Twitty's totals do not contain regional charts, the contain all the different songs to reach #1's on National charts over the years (Billboard, Cashbox, Radio and Records, etc). These charts are no less accurate than Billboard and therefore are allowed to be included in the totals. Furthermore both Billboard and Radio and Records haven't included sales in their singles charts for the best part of a decade, which is handy for George Strait as most of his Number One's have never been released as singles and get their soley on airplay.
- Agree with Howles (BTW – use four tildes (~) to sign your comment). There should be a standard-bearer, and in all fairness, we should specify the chart referenced. But unless anyone says different, the first reference should go to Billboard, IMO [[Briguy52748 02:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)]]
That is only your opinion, and artciles are written Npov. Billboard isn't the only chart and many other wikipedia articles include the cash box, radio and records and other charts. These are all national charts, that are just as accurate as Billbaord and therefore are allowed inclusion. That's like saying only titles held for one boxing federation can be included when giving statictis about sport. Not the case. The fact of the matter is Strait has had 52 diffrent songs make number 1 on the national charts in the United States Of America, Conway Twitty has had 55. Result : George Striat has had more Number 1s than any living artist, but has yet to beat Conway Twitty.192.135.227.226 20:39, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Opinion or not, there needs to be some standard (and yes, I do understand about that NPOV rule). How about saying something along the lines of "According to Billboard, he has 40 No. 1 hits, although if one were to combine his other songs that reached No. 1 on other music charts (e.g., Radio and Records), then he has 52." Or something like that. (In all fairness, not every Billboard George Strait No. 1 made to to the top on Radio and Records, etc.) [[Briguy52748 13:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)]]
And that's why George Starits total of #1's is said to be 52 (not 40 as the Billboard charts show). Your idea is too long winded. Everyone would then be able to lay claim as being an act with most #1s as one who has the most in one chart could then claim it and with the Cashbox charts no longer being conducted, the person who has the record of mosts #1s in that chart will hold it forever. Also, some charts used to be sales based, this means others can lay claim to having "the most #1s while the charts were based on sales, before they were based on airplay". There are many more ways that fans of acts could re-word chart statstics (as I have just show a few examples of) to say their favorite artist has had "the most mumber 1s". This would cause mayhem. There is already a standard - every song that hit #1 on at least one national chart counts as a #1 hit. 66.66.161.1 21:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- Remark to the above — I saw the edit summary tied to your latest edit for the George Strait article, stating your claim that the "false claim" statement re: his 40 No. 1 (Billboard magazine) songs being the most by any artist in history had to be made by one of his fans. Are you certain it was a George Strait fan who wanted to hail his accomplishment, or an editor who wanted a verifiable fact in the intro? After all, other than Billboard magazine, there are apparently no reliable, complete lists of No. 1 songs for the various formats that are easily accessible (e.g., print or Web-based). [[Briguy52748 21:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)]]
There is the talk page. This is on it. If it wasn't a GS fan then I find it funny how the total was still "52" (not 40 like you claim in your above text), seeing as the only source that credits GS with the most #1's (Billboard) states only "40". MCA records are more than keen to make George's total number ones informed to the public, so much so that when they issued a album of his number ones a few years ago they included everyone he had to that point and called it "50 Number Ones" (clearly not just Billboards #1's) and he's had two more since then - total of 52. These charts are accessable if you look (IE the "50 number ones" album) however, most people just take Billboards say so, which is not NPOV. Garth Brooks, for example, had his first number one for a few years in December with "Goodride Cowboy" (Radio and Records #1 during Christmas week) but it was only listed at #3 on Billboard. To say it wasn't a number 1 because of this is not NPOV, it would be like only counting one boxing federation in world titles and saying hundreds of boxers were "not world champions", when they were, or just using Wimbledon to determon the best tennis players ever, as this is the most desiered tournament to win in that sport. Clearly a silly thing to do, yet when it comes to music we are expected to apparently (according to a couple of people here) just take the say so of one chart compiler, or at least give them the credit as being the "most reliable" (they're not by the way) 74.65.39.59 00:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- First off, a clarification: George Strait has the most solo No. 1 songs, according to Billboard magazine's Hot Country Singles & Tracks charts (which was stated in a previous edit). As far as most overall Billboard No. 1's, that record is still held by Conway Twitty (35 solo and five duet (all with Loretta Lynn)) on the country charts, plus his 1958 No. 1 on the Hot 100 ("It's Only Make Believe"). That said, tell me in the 50 Number Ones album notes where, on the track listing, it states which charts were used and which songs reached No. 1 on which charts. That, to me, is verification in this instance. That said, what about the "No. 1" albums that have been released by Reba McEntire (Reba's No. 1s), Ronnie Milsap (Ronnie Milsap — 40 #1 Hits) and Alabama (For the Record, which boasts 41 No. 1 songs and three new tracks). Each one of them had fewer Billboard No. 1's than the number stated in promotional material, and I didn't recall anything in any of those albums' liner notes about Radio & Records, Cashbox, etc. No. 1 songs. They should be held to the same standard as George Strait, IMO. Heck, the Conway Twitty No. 1's two-disc album has only 41 tracks — the 41 that were Billboard No. 1s, even though the overall number has been quoted as high as 55. What I want to see, in the case of George Strait, is a complete listing of all the No. 1 songs he ever had on ALL of the charts for the "52" claim to be made authentic, and the same goes for Conway, Ronnie, Alabama, Reba and all the rest. And again, it is not necessarily a George Strait fan who is making the "40" edit to make him look good; rather, I suspect it is due to verifiability issues. One final question to poster 74.65.39.59 (and this may or may not be appropriate to ask here, if it isn't, I apologize): "How and why is Billboard magazine not the "most reliable source?" [[Briguy52748 13:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)]]
The edit in question you keep mentioning that stated George had "the most #1's" STILL had the total at 52, NOT 40, as you keep claiming. LOOK BACK AND CHECK. How many times am I going to have to keep saying this before you take notice? Also, you ask, why isn't Billboard "not the most reliable source". Why not check out the Wikipedia entires on the critisms of how they compile their charts for starters. Billboard are VERY selective in what radio stations they use to complie their lists and therefore a Billbaord airplay chart (like the HOT 100, or HOT COUNTRY SONGS) is ONLY a list of the most played songs on those stations. A lot of stations aren't used for the Billbaord charts, but are used by OTHER chart compilers to make their charts up. Billbaord are no more realiable than Radio and Records, or others, when it comes to telling us what the hit's of the day are. Even Billbaord sales charts have come into question over the years. A look at Elvis Presleys Billboard chart file compared to his one at Cashbox is very intresting. The amount of top 10 singles and albums he had at Cashbox (who only used sales, no airplay, to compile their singles charts) compared to what Billboard state as top 10 hit's is very different and show he was much more popualr in his later music than the Billbaord charts suggest. Yet, we are expected to tag along and just use the Billboard charts as solid facts when their are other voices to be heard. 74.65.39.59 13:31, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Here a source that shows when George reached 51 number ones between BOTH the Billbaord and R&R charts [1], he's had one more since then. 74.65.39.59 13:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- The link in question is a feature story about George Strait's career, not a listing of songs that went No. 1 between all the charts. Also, it should be noted that I am not questioning the accuracy of Radio & Records, Cashbox, etc. or their compilation methods; I am just simply looking for a verifiable source to back up the "52 No. 1" claim (and all the other No. 1 claims by other artists) — as in a listing of songs and the charts where they went No. 1, not just a track listing of songs on a CD. (BTW — Once such a link is found, then just simply add it to the article page.) [[Briguy52748 14:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)]] (BTW — I haven't changed anything in the article's lead; it appears we have a dispute here and I think it should be resolved before anything is changed. The comment was in regards to an IP-only editor claiming in a previous edit summary that a Strait fan was making the edit to make his/her favorite artist look good). [[Briguy52748 14:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)]]
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- The source states that "Strait has had 51 number ones", it says that clear and bright, it dosen't JUST give a tracklisting for the album like you claim. When an artists record sales are mentioned in an article, stating "they sold over 100 million records", that is useable. Noone has to then go on to find a list of all single and albums sales. The same applies here. This source is good enough. GAC is reliable enough. If YOU want a complete list then I suggest you write to both radio and records & billboard and pay for it. 74.65.39.59 17:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
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- 74.65.39.59 — First, I never said the page had a tracklisting of what was on the "50 Number Ones" album. My statement means don't rely on a mere list from the track listing on an album (or, as the case is now, a statement on a Web site, which does not back its claim with facts). Second, I did read the page and the comment about "51 No. 1's," but to me, since the number is disputed (agree or disagree), there needs to be either a disclaimer or a full listing of the No. 1 songs and their respective charts in question, not just a statement or claim on a page. I just want to know where and when those other 11 non-Billboard No. 1's went No. 1, so someone can give it the proper sourcing. Also, sorry to argue so vehiminently, but some things have to be said; just take it for what it's worth. [[Briguy52748 17:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)]].
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It already mentions in the GAC article that the other 11 number ones come from Radio and Records, furthermore if you read this wikipedia article it actually mentions in the text here in more detail that Strait had had 40 Number 1's in Billboard and mentions that there are another 11 that made #1 just in Radio and records, so there is no need for a disclaimer as the article itself takes care of it. You're also missing the point. Even if a full list is not avalible, if it says it on the GAC article we CAN use that as a source. It would be like asking for a list of singles and albums indvidual sales world wide before a sales figure can be quoted. This is not tge case as articles all over Wikipedia use "statements and claims" as you put in from RELIABLE sources (i.e GAC). It's the same thing. I already mentioned this but you don't seem to understand. Also I was NOT just going by the tracklist on the album, however I was stating the fact that as George had 50 #1's to that point on ALL CHARTS, MCA used all the charts to compile the album! 74.65.39.59 21:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- Then the same "all charts" standard for No. 1s ought to be used for Conway, Reba, Alabama, and Ronnie on their wiki pages. It's either Billboard or all charts for each of them. Thank you! [[216.51.229.2 03:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)]].
When did I say " all charts" cou;ldn't be used for everyone. NEVER. If you want to use all charts for them then find the informatiuon and put it on there, of course you can only use it if you find it! 74.65.39.59 09:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Infact Conways Pages already credits him as having 55 number ones! 74.65.39.59 09:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Ronnie's Page also uses all charts too! 74.65.39.59 13:44, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Alright, at least now some of us know. [[Briguy52748 14:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)]]
- I thought Conway Twitty had 55 number one hits? - Alakey2010 09:30 p.m., 30 August 2006 (CDT)
Billboard is indeed the de facto standard for charts in the USA that is used in almost every other article on Wikipedia concerning recording artists. Whether indeed these other charts have listed Strait as having had more or fewer #1s than Conway Twitty is irrelevant. What is important is to provide the most encyclopedic knowledge base possible. Compare apples to apples. It is possible to give the man his due and not be misleading or contradictory. And please, remember that Wikipedia is not a fan site. Maintain NPOV. Iamvered 17:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Congratulations George Strait
I just would like to say congratulations to King George Strait on breaking Conway Twitty's record and scoring his 41st #1 single. Give It Away is an amazing song. I also count this as Mr. Strait's 53rd #1. Either way, it is quite the accomplishment. I am proud to be a George Strait Junkie. Donna, Mesa Az.
[edit] Artist Label Link
Hello... I was told to bring this up here. I added a link to the George Strait Page on his Label's website. This link brings up exclusive information and is artist approved. I feel it is more valid than other links listed. Please let me know what you think of this, if it can stay up and do it's job of helping fans get correct information about George Strait from an artist approved source.I feel removing this link is disrespectful to the people who make the music we all enjoy. This is the link i posted: http://www.umgnashville.com/artist.aspx?ob=ros&src=lb&aid=8 Thanks. 167.167.7.254 20:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Substantial problems
This article is an informational nightmare. Can somebody please take the time to a) verify the Billboard Hot 100 and Hot Country Singles positions on the songs ; b) put the info into a chart like the other articles; c) remove the exclamation points and other fancruft, and d) get this thing into shape so that it doesn't contradict itself? I don't know enough about George Strait to do it-- I came seeking info, and left confused. That shouldn't happen in Wikipedia, it undermines the whole thing. Iamvered 17:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] George Strait's New Christmas CD
George has a new Christmas CD called "Fresh Cut Christmas" which was made exclusively for Hallmark Cards and sold at Hallmark stores. The RIAA has issued it as platinum. Can somebody verify this? BravesFan2006 00:59, 30 November 2006
