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[edit] NPOV tag

Please stop deleting the Tags that are being placed on this item, factually incorrect information and biased opinions exist in the section regarding "Controversy," and I have also tagged "Lucas Bashing" as another biased article. You are vandalizing and supressing my right to open a debate on this issu

Please help us improve the article by highlighting a specific claim (i.e. a single sentence) which is "factually incorrect". If you do this, and no one can find evidence to support it, then the claim can be removed. Without this effort on your part, tagging the page is tantamount to slander or childish petulance -- this only hurts Wikipedia. This page has a history of people tagging it for no decernable reason -- other than petty vandalism. Hence, I have removed the tags that were, once again, placed on this page without supporting comment.Mattisgoo 00:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I changed his birthdate from 1947 to the correct 1944. He was 62 this last May. But I noticed it is still incorrect under his picture. Don't know how to change that. Also, I deleted the "drifting" reference after his graduation from USC. He tried to join the Airforce because like most young men then he figured he should enlist before they drafted him and thought he could put his film/photography skills to use. I found that in Pollock's book "Skywalking" and I believe that Baxter covers it too in "Mythmaker". Lucas always knew that he would be a filmmaker once the bug bit him, drifting just doesn't seem to fit as a descriptor. If I did this wrong, I apologize. I have never tried to post here but noticed that the original article on Lucas seems to have vanished and that you are attempting to recreate it. Annie42 04:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lucas Bashing

PLEASE READ THE "CAPS-LOCK" USER'S ADDITIONAL DEFENSE AND COMMENTS ON THE "LUCAS BASHING" DISCUSSION ENTRY==

I have vehemently opposed the inclusion in this article of the reference to the "Lucas Bashing Phenomenon," for reasons of author bias, and the lack of appropriately substantiated evidence for the existence of such a thing at all. I HAVE ALSO MADE REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT IF THE SAID ARTICLE REMAINS, AN ARTICLE WHICH GIVES AN ALTERNATE PERSPECTIVE OF THE FILMMAKER SHOULD ALSO EXIST TO ENSURE THAT THE WRONG IMPRESSION OF THE CONCEPT IS NOT BEING IMPOSED BY AN OPINIONATED AUTHOR.

SEVERAL USERS HAVE OPENLY OPPOSED MY PROTESTS, ONE SUCH GOING BY THE ALIAS "MATTISGOO." I NOW FIND THAT MY LATEST POST DETAILING MY POSITION AND OPINION ON THE MATTER - WHICH APPEARS ON THIS OPEN FORUM "DISCUSSION PAGE" HAVE BEEN DELETED. I HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT THOSE OF OPPOSING OPINIONS HAVE DELETED MY POSTS, BUT I CERTAINLY SUSPECT THEM, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE SAID USER THREATENED MY OPINIONS WOULD BE "IGNORED" ON THE FORUM. WHO ARE THEY TO DISAPPROVE AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY DELETE MY PROTESTS AGAINST WHAT I CONSIDER A BIASED AND UNFAIR ARTICLE??? HOW DARE THEY DELETE MY OPINION TO SILENCE A CRITIC OF THEIR POSITION ON A PUBLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA FORUM!!!

THE SECTION IN THE LUCAS BIOGRAPHY CONCERNING "LUCAS BASHING" SHOULD EITHER BE DELETED, OR INCLUDED WITH AN ARTICLE WHICH EXPLAINS THE OPPOSING VIEWPOINT OF THE ISSUE THAT THE AUTHOR HAS CREATED HIMSELF, SO AS NOT TO CREATE THE WRONG IMPRESSION ON AN UNSUSPECTING READER SEEKING THE UNBIASED AND TRUTHFUL ACCOUNT OF THE FILMMAKER.

I DO NOT KNOW WIKIPEDIA'S POLICIES ON VANDALISM, BUT ANYONE WHO DELETES ANOTHER'S POSTS ON A FORUM SHOULD BE BANNED FROM USAGE OF THE FORUM UNTIL THEY UNDERSTAND THEY MUST ALSO RESPECT OTHER'S OPINIONS!!!

I'd like to suggest replacing the 'neutrality' tag with 'weasel' tag, which really seems to be the underlying problem with the bashing section. Thoughts? EEMeltonIV 13:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Fan criticism of George Lucas is marked with the neutrality template and Lucas Bashing is marked for deletion. Do we really need to mark this article with the neutrality template, too? All the comments made in the controversy section are either substantiated with fact or common knowledge. MaxVeers 17:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Filmography is Complete

I finished the filmography adding all his student and short films, as well as the other films he was involved in. I do wonder about the convention of dividing up his films as "notable" and "other" and now "student and short films"

ZenMondo 20:31, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pointing out that he didn't direct

In the opening paragraph, I removed the following sentences:

He was not, however, the director of any of the Indiana Jones films (done by his friend Steven Spielberg) or Star Wars Episodes V (directed by Irvin Kershner) or VI (directed by Richard Marquand).

Rationale: The opening states that he is a screenwriter and producer, as well as a director. We don't need to point out what he didn't direct. That can be clarified in the later text. He was involved in all the films indicated in some manner, whether it be as writer or producer. — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:51, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Buddhist?

Why was Lucas added to the Buddhist category? Where is the documentation on this? I read that he modelled his Star Wars universe on some things he had read about Buddhism, but that doesn't mean he subscribes to the belief. Unless someone can dig up some evidence for this, I'll remove it. — Frecklefoot | Talk July 6, 2005 19:56 (UTC)

I highly doubt that Lucas is a Buddhist. He definitely seems like a Methodist, or a Christian, or something along those lines; just think of the Christ allegory in Phantom Menace and such. Darth Katana X 22:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
He considers himself at least partially buddist. From an interview in time "Q: What religion are you? A: I was raised Methodist. Now let's say I'm spiritual. It's Marin County. We're all Buddhists up here." Grzesik 03:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
That's sarcasm. He doesn't actually mean that everybody in Marin County is Buddhist. What he means is that he's spiritual, in other words, he doesn't belong to a particular church or faith.

[edit] the "blockbuster approach" to filmmaking

The article states: Along with Spielberg, Lucas is credited with (or blamed for) establishing the blockbuster approach to filmmaking.

I don't see any explanation of what sort of approach is being referred to. The link to "blockbuster" defines it as the effect which a movie has on the market in terms of money taken in, and of devastating the competition. These are after-the-fact observations, not an approach which one might take during production.

Unless someone can explain what a "blockbuster approach" is, I'd like to delete that statement.--Keeves 15:20, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Okay, no reponses to the above. I'm taking that line out. --Keeves 13:25, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
The "blockbuster" approach to filmmaking can be defined, I think, as being one that: (a)Has higher than average budgets. (b)Wide theatrical release (2000+ theaters) (c)Use of sequels to extend the "brand." (d)Film that is closely tied with merchandising and creates a brand instead of a film. All these things weren't so standardized before the Lucas era. Comedian x 20:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfC/poll – Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker: one article or two?

What do you think? E Pluribus Anthony 19:35, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ghost written Star Wars Episode IV

This is news to me, a fan since 1977. I'm very curious as I enjoy both writers. Alan Dean Foster ghost wrote Episode IV??? Where is the factual information coming from on this? I can't find it anywhere. Please clarify or delete if this is a rumor. Thank you.

This has been known for years, and both Foster and Lucas have admitted it many times over. Remember, Google is your friend, and this information is easily verifyable. Mind you, we're talking about the novelization here, not the movie... TheRealFennShysa 17:09, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major Vandalism

On 30th January 2006, the entire article was deleted and replaced with a rude message. I tried to fix it but alas do not know how. At least I got rid of the obscene comment. Scott197827 30/01/2006

Febuary 18 2005 I just found this page and noticed Fart Wars is listed twice, when referances to the Star Wars prequels is made. Didn't read it throughly, but someone should fix that and any other vandalism.

I blocked new and unregistered users from making edits. IG-2000 08:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stuff to Include?

I'd like to point out a few things for consideration in including in this artical also. http://www.jitterbug.com/origins/index.html Please look through that interesting bit to find out where he got many of his ideas, some of them directly ripped off from certain other films.

And I think it interesting to note that American Graffiti, his first movie, cost only $800,000 to make, but grossed $100 million dollars. Amazing isn't it? Thats where he first used Harrison Ford, by the way, later shown as Hon Solo and Indiana Jones. The sequal to that film was named More American Graffiti and it grossed only $8 million.

I see a lot of people bashing Willow around the net, which I thought was a good film.

Anyway, shouldn't the artical mention details about how he innovated certain special effects technology, and whatnot? I think that is a very important aspect of the man. --Thomas Prewitt


[edit] Star Trek Fan?

Is George Lucas actually a Star Trek fan? He is at the moment in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Star_Trek_fans

He is indeed. Clint Howard said that during his audition for Star Wars, Lucas immediately remarked that Howard had played Balok in the Original Series episode "The Corbomite Maneuver."

[edit] Trivia factcheck

"Never attended his high school prom" -- Is there any source here besides his appearance on The_O.C.? If not, can we be certain he was speaking factually in any of his lines from that show? Siyavash 18:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

"[THX] ostensibly stands for 'Tomlinson Holman eXperiment' after its chief engineer, however, it is obviously a reference to Lucas' first film THX 1138." -- this is disputed in the article about THX 1138. -193.110.108.67 07:13, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Also says he has HIV, never heard about that and can't find any ref to it anywhere else. -(66.131.254.21 02:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Health Condition

I have noticed over the years a swelling occuring around Lucas' neck. Is there any information on any health issues the subject is expeiencing?DarthAlbin 19:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flannel

This guy sure does love to wear flannel. Is that notable?—Wasabe3543 00:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Awful

This article needs to be re-designed from the top down. The layout is bad and the picture appears to be from a cell phone shot. Can't we have a proper and respectful article here? Also, I don't much care for yellow on black font used at the bottom in general. We need something a little more slicker and not painful to the eyes.Monty2 06:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia Section

As part of the wikiproject to reduce the amount of trivia, I went through the trivia section and removed the more 'trivial trivia' and some trivia without references. If some of what I removed is deemed by the editors of this article to be necessary information, please find a way to incorporate it into the article proper, rather than re-adding it to the trivia section. Wikipedia does not outright ban trivia, but it strongly recommends that it not be included in articles. The guidelines state that trivia sections are particularly okay in new articles because they can add information before the article is formatted. However, once an article is as developed as this one is, the trivia needs to be removed from the trivia section and incorporated into the article proper. I strongly recommend that editors here try and do this if they want the trivia information to stay as there is a growing movement to remove trivia. More trivia may be removed if not incorporated. Furthermore, much of the trivia I removed is absolutely unencyclopedic; it has no place in a wikipedia article. Cameos fall under this category. The biggest example of this was the statement that he didn't go to prom, come on people... focus on important details. Finally, much of the trivia pertains more to the Star Wars articles than this one, incorporate it into those articles. --The Way 02:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia - Famous Celebrity Anagrams

Famous people sometimes have names which form anagrams which accurately and/or meaninfully say something special about that celebrity, anagrams that are sometimes praiseworthy, sometimes notorious, sometimes mysterious.

For example, Oliver Reed, committed all his life to partying and living life to the social maximus, had the prized, infamous anagram "Revel or Die!" and George Romero, who started it all with "Night of the Living Dead" spells "Gore, Rome! Gore!" (Where else did his vision of the dead walking the earth come from if not "The Book of Revelations"?!)

George Lucas, whose alma mater is USC, and who has donated $175 million dollars to its school of film-making undoubtedly has earned high social esteem and praise at USC, but his name produces the slightly less glamorous anagram of "Large ego, USC."

Luke Skywalker, George Lucas' light-sabre weilding, cinematographic namesake (NOTE: Luke = Lucas, and Lucas means "light") produces a historically accurate anagram which has special meaning for Hollywood with respect to the dark days of the McCarthyist witchhunts against Communist-red and left-leaning "pink" actors and writers - it is: "KKK were U.S. ally!" Thank you for that information, Luke Skywalker, and perhaps we do need reminding! White Knights against the Dark Forces of Evil! ... and how could it get any whiter and brighter than the KKK??!


Elizabeth Jane 11:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Interesting, but doesn't really belong here. PacificBoy 00:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


I removed a line where someone put that Lucas was killed on the 11th.

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