Talk:George Ariyoshi

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[edit] Photo and name table replaced with a framed image

I have converted the table with the photo and various names: kanji, romaji, etc. Not only was the table incomplete (romaji section left blank), it was unnecessarily complex because there are only two significant names: the kanji name he received from his parents, and his official name spelled in the latin alphabet that would be used on official documents such as his passport and virtually everywhere else. I am assuming that he is almost always referred to simply by his latin alphabet name, so adding any more names (kana, romaji..) would be confusing without any explanation of relevance. — Tokek 02:05, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chan Han Xiang's edit

I changed Chan Han Xiang's edits because:

• the subject is American, not Korean, and pink is not a neutral color
• capitalizing "link" and "born" defies the Wikipedia:Manual of Style
• the photo is right aligned and therefore leaves uneven whitespace
• the photo is too small to be thumbed
• The Wikipedia:Manual of Style specifies spelling out the full name first

--Jiang 11:38, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I changed his edit because:

• The information below the picture is covered
• There is no proper introduction Japanese name which should be there, to notify unaware people that there are three styles of names below --Chan Han Xiang (signed by Jiang)

Please sign your posts with ~~~~. You have not addressed my 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th bullet points so dont revert unless the issue is settled. I think the terms for specific scripts should be self explanatory but the abcense of the label "Japanese name" is no grounds for mass reverting what I have covered in my 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th bullet points. --Jiang 12:06, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

To your points of reply: {User:Chan Han Xiang)

1. This is just a table. So what if it is pink ? Many people use the name tables introduction in Pink. It is not necessarily Korean. What do you mean about that? This table has no proof that it is Korean.

2. You need not necessarily follow Wikipedia:Manual of Style, so long it is presentable.

4. It was originally thumbed.

5. I got this style from the articles Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il. There is nothing wrong about that. --User:Chan Han Xiang

1. Pink is non-neutral. Why are we using it. Is there a reason? The only precendent is on Korean articles. Otherwise, the table it out of bounds of the Manual of Style.
2. There are certain things, such as capitalization, that we do not defy. You may not be required to follow the MoS strictly in your edits, but if someone changes things to adhere to the MoS, you do not revert that. That's just bad etiquette and three reverts can get you blocked.
3. Just because its originally something doesnt mean the original format is correct. If the picture is not large then it shouldnt be thumbed. It just deceives people who want to click on it to see a larger pic
4. Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il is besides the point. Some smartass reverted my changes there. that doesnt mean you should revert me when Im following the naming conventions and you;re not. --Jiang 12:19, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No response and continued reverts? I'll just repeat my points if it's not clear enough:

• capitalizing "link" and "born" defies the Wikipedia:Manual of Style
• the photo is too small to be thumbed
• The Wikipedia:Manual of Style specifies spelling out the full and complete name of the person first; "non-full name", formally "full name" is NOT what we do.

Questions? If you want to dispute this, explain why. Dont just revert. --Jiang 06:50, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• Style based on Junichiro Koizumi and Japan-related articles. (User:Chan Han Xiang, signed for by Jiang)

No it's not. Nowhere in the Japanese-related articles Manual of Style days it say to make a name table (and even then, the topic is American, not Japanese). Nowhere else on wikipedia does it say to capitalize "born", thumb small photos, or not spell out the persons full name first. Please sign your posts. Unless you are willing to discuss my objections, you should stop reverting or be banned. --Jiang 20:25, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Kanji name

According to my knowledge of Japanese, 有吉 良一 is "Ryochi Ariyoshi", but in Kanji, the surname comes first. And Mr Ariyoshi's surname is Ariyoshi, so the Kanji name should be the reverse. Thanks. Mr Tan 04:25, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)