Talk:Geno Petralli

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This page is awesome!!! I love the Rangers and loved Geno, too!! I'm going to tell all my friends. We need to do a Jeff Kunkel page, too. 20:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC) Kip

Contents 1 Cleanup Tags 2 I wrote it and resent your attacks! 3 Cleanup 4 Are you serious?! 5 Calm down, but clean this article up 6 Not real David Brooks 7 Cleanup 2/15 8 Stop blocking 9 Deletion of The Nolan Ryan Exclusion section

[edit] Cleanup Tags

A registered user put 3 different cleanup tags on, all at the same time, and without explanation: {{POV check}}, {{cleanup-tone}}, and {{cleanup-verify}}. An anon removed them all, again without explanation. I've restored a single generic {{cleanup}} tag; the article really does need work. There are no sources and the style is poor.

I would like to see a fuller explanation on talk when articles are tagged. John Reid 21:54, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

-- Couldn't find anything non-factual with this entry. Seems to be to a baseball war going on here between a Texas Rangers fan and other editors atacking without being able to disprove any of the content. Seems well researched. I checked a few items and they were good.

[edit] I wrote it and resent your attacks!

I'm writing a book on the Texas Rangers and Mr. Petralli and find this information invaluable. Many baseball fans have asked me to post this information on this wikipedia entry. I highly resent the attacks on my work. I posted a vast majority of the info on this page and some other Texas Ranger and baseball fans have added to it. We need to make sure this article stays in its current form. Perhaps some basic edits, but it truly is a great piece of research and writing. I have devoted a great deal of time to this entry on Mr. Petralli. One other item to note, all of the facts on this page come from the 1987 and 1989 Texas Ranger media guides, a book written by Rangers beat writer Phil Rogers called "The Impossible Takes A Little Longer" that was published in 1990, and from interviews with Mr. Petralli. Former announcer Norm Hitzges likes the entry as well. - Keith Creel 66.90.154.194

You left an angry message on my talk page; I guess that means that this comment is directed to me as well. Sorry if you're offended. If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it.

In point of fact I replaced 3 cleanup tags with just 1; so you see, I'm moderate. Since that time you've taken appropriate action, adding some references and removing the cleanup tag. This is exactly as it should be; this is how wikis work. You're doing fine.

I would like to suggest that you consider registering on Wikipedia before you continue to edit. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages. Typing four tildes after your comment ( ~~~~ ) will insert a signature showing your username and a date/time stamp, which makes it clear who said what, and when. Thank you. John Reid 05:33, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

This article needs to be made into an encyclopedia article. It reads too much like a fan page. Lumos3 17:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, all of these items come from the below mentioned references. Perhaps folks in England don't know much about baseball or Geno Petralli. Good day. - Dale Mohorcic

There is a lot that is wrong with this article. It is full of images that don't contribute any valuable information and is full of trivia that is impossible to verify and non-encyclopedic. I'm going to start removing images and listing my rationale below. No Guru 20:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the following images. Please don't re-add them without good reason:

Image:Snow covered park bench - a picture of a park bench (no value to article)
Image:Geno86.jpg|225px - a baseball card of Petralli (only one is required to illustrate the subject)
Image:Dr pepper can.jpg - a picture of a Dr. Pepper add (no value to article)
Image:petralli.jpg - a baseball card of Petralli (only one is required to illustrate the subject)
Image:Hough charlie.jpg - A picture of Charlie Hough (no need for an image of him a simple link to his Wikipedia article is all that is required)
Image:Clevelandstadium2.jpg - An image of Municipal Stadium (no value to article)
Image:Webster.gif - A publicity photo of the cast of Webster (no value to article)
Image:88Fleer.jpg - a baseball card of Petralli (only one is required to illustrate the subject)
Image:NolanRyan.jpg - A picture of Nolan ryan (no need for an image of him a simple link to his Wikipedia article is all that is required)
Image:Kunkel.jpg - A picture of Jeff kunkel (no need for an image of him a simple link to his Wikipedia article is all that is required)
Image:1992MCTR1.jpg - A panel of 9 large baseball cards (no value to article)
Image:1991score.jpg - a baseball card of Petralli (only one is required to illustrate the subject)
No Guru 20:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Are you serious?!

Why are you messing with the Geno Petralli page? What type of "baseball fan" are you? Do you really think you are helping anything by taking down hard found photos? Do you really think Petralli's wiki entry should be up the high standards of Einstein's or Jean Chretin? Seriously, get a life and leave Geno alone. - Jim Kern

I am serious and yes it is to be held to the same standard as other articles. No Guru 20:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Calm down, but clean this article up

No Guru is right: This article is ridiculous. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan site. I'm going to revert it, and then I'm going to clean out some of the trivia and fan-style commentary. Please read other articles about baseball players in wikipedia to get a sense of what they sould be like. - DavidWBrooks 20:56, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

On your personal discussion page you call the Petralli wiki "twaddle." What's "twaddle" and have you done a wiki entry on it yet? I'm glad you and NoLarryGura have decided to save the world of a Geno Petralli wiki page that isn't up to your high standards. How would you feel if you knew an 8 year old Ranger fan with cancer wrote it? You sons of bitches!!!! - Jim Sundberg

May I suggest you create a free Myspace page? You can post whatever you want there. - DavidWBrooks 22:43, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not real David Brooks

Do you wish you were the real David Brooks that writes for the NY Times? His paper probably doesn't let him edit people's wiki enteries. Also, isn't all of wiki trivial? One man's trivia in New Hampshire is another man's vital facts somewhere else! - Jim Sundberg

[edit] Cleanup 2/15

This article could still use a lot of work, but I've re-organized it to make the style more encyclopedic and to remove a lot of clearly bogus material. I also deleted images that weren't of Petralli or that had ridiculous text descriptors. | Klaw ¡digame! 23:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I restored them. "Bogus material" is point of view, Mr Wiki nerd.- Mike Heath

[edit] Stop blocking

Wiki Dorks, stop blocking this page from legit people that are trying to make changes to it. A simple change of the photo to a 1986 Topps card shouldn't cause you to undo the edit and block the user. Chill out! - DHL

• That image is copyrighted by Topps and has been listed for deletion. | Klaw ¡digame! 23:48, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

• Well, what about the 89 Topps photo that you pasted on there? Isn't that copyrighted too or were the 86 Topps just a special case Mr. Vance Law, err, I mean Keith Lawless, err Tom Lawless. - Ken Oberkfell

• I haven't "pasted" or uploaded any photos. Images of baseball cards are copyvios and don't belong on Wikipedia. | Klaw ¡digame! 22:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid our anonymous friend has a point: We've been leaving on the 89 Topps photo when we revert the non-encyclopediac material. It needs to go, too. - DavidWBrooks 22:48, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Good job. I'd talked to the Topps people and they said it needed to go, too. Well, they said all of wikipedia needed to go, so maybe there is a whole rash of wiki abuse of Topps cards? Unsure. Let's investigate it and file a report, shall we? EdRooney 14:38, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of The Nolan Ryan Exclusion section

From Chris Petralli's player page at U of M:

uncle, Geno Petralli, played 12 years in the Majors for the Texas Rangers and Toronto Blue Jays and caught Nolan Ryan's 300th win

This debunks the claim that Petralli was never allowed to catch any of Ryan's milestones. | Klaw ¡digame! 23:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Awesome! Good job! I'm giving you two brownie points for that stellar research! Thank God that crazy stuff about the Ryan Exclusion was taken down. I feel better now and will finally be able to sleep at night. I did find some story in the Ft Worth Star-Telegram about how Petralli caught that game because the Rangers weren't able to complete a trade for Lance Parrish before the game started, but I'm not sure we should post it. It was something about how the Angels wanted Jeff Huson and the Rangers wouldn't part with him. Crazy! EdRooney 14:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I think I'll make some changes to it and put it back in. I found on Retrosheet.org that Mike Stanley was given the first chance to catch the 300th win on July 25, 1990 at Arlington Stadium against the Yankees. Ryan however got a no-decision as he pithced 8 innings and gave up 10 hits, 2 walks, 3 homers, and 7 earned runs. The next time his spot in the rotation can around they used Petralli, but only because Stanley had a pulled hamstring and the Lance Parrish trade before the trading deadline fell through. EdRooney 15:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Just got back from the teacher's lounge. I forgot to add the references to the Nolan Ryan exclusion. I went and put it back in and put the refs in, too. Thanks Klaw! I'm going to give you an award for your help. EdRooney 20:49, 21 February 2006 (UTC)