Talk:Gareth Owen
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Not notable - I don't think Wikipedia should aim to include people of this level of notoriety yet. I only wrote a stub article because it was previously redirecting to a user page.
SimonMayer 22:42, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Professional sports player who actually supports himself that way (I assume from the article); i.e., he doesn't have a "real" job in the off season. I say keep. Pro athletes, at least those who support themselves through their sport, are notable. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 01:05, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)
- I'm a fan of making articles for every pro sports (and most amateur sports, i.e. college/olympics) player there is, so I say keep. At worst, redirect to Torquay United. --Golbez 01:06, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)
- Delete: fancruft. No evidence of notability. How about an article for every accountant who supports him/herself through accounting? Wile E. Heresiarch 01:54, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Delete: This is a "loan" player. Also, be aware that we have two Football Bandits working, at least. One is adding an "article" of exactly this length for every UK soccer player, and another is doing the same for every US football player. Geogre 02:14, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Question: What exactly is a "loan" player? Also, I would say that this is a service; these are not "bandits"; at least the articles are grammatical and contain some factual information. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 05:24, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)
- And you'll note, Meelar, that I merely noted in passing that we have had two IP accounts who have written identical-looking single sentence articles on every football (of both sorts) player. They have facts in the same way that "Marlon Brando was an actor who was on TV in 1952" has facts. Geogre 13:53, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Ambi 05:23, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. Sports players are notable, and Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not paper. These stubs have potential for expansion. Darksun 08:44, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- (1) WP is not paper, but its resources are finite all the same. If you think this kind of subtrivia is important, feel free to host it at your own web site. (2) Sure, these stubs are easily expanded. We could include the name of his dog and his favorite brand of crackers. Wile E. Heresiarch 15:01, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. There's public interest in football players. Being on loan is a distinction: "Gulls swoop for Owen: Torquay United have signed Stoke City defender Gareth Owen on a three-month loan deal.... Gulls boss Leroy Rosenior made his move for the 21-year-old after losing David Woozley to Oxford."[1] Being sought-after has to be good news. Show me an accountant being swooped for, and I'll vote for him/her, too. And just to clarify that this particular footballer substub is not bandit droppings: the entry has a long history, all of it legitimate-looking and, as SimonMayer points out, some of it to do with User:Gareth Owen (who is not the football player and incidentally not the poet). Bishonen 08:49, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. My google search found he has played a few games for the national team of Wales. I think that makes him at least slightly encyclopedic. Andris 20:40, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. This is not an article. Just litter. And minor sports players are no more notable than minor university professors or presidents of small companies and so forth. Jallan 16:17, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Fancruft. Players come and go. We should have articles about the notable players in every field, but not every player in notable fields. This is the line between the WWW and the Wikipedia. One records everything; the other records everything of note. SWAdair | Talk 04:10, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Comment: The term "fancruft" seems to be cropping up a lot. It does sound like it is being applied in an uneducated manner. I wrote the main stub article. I am not a fan of Gareth Owen.
Also, whilst I am generally in favour of keeping articles like this; I believe it should be deleted because the general consensus on Wikipedia is No articles on "non famous" people. In time, I would like to see a place for people like Gareth Owen.
SimonMayer 23:22, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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