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Contents 1 Verifiability 2 errors 3 Is this made up? 4 Removed list

[edit] Verifiability

This article has been in glaring violation of Wikipedia:Verifiability since its inception. Can someone please provide some sources -- any sources -- for the information here? -- Visviva 09:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I have restubbed the article and removed the original research. One of the external links I removed wasn't even relevant, it was about the Chinese mafia. There are two sources to work from now, and the second paper leads to additional outside sources, such as USA Today and The New York Times so I believe there is still hope here as long as we diligently WP:CITE new additions going forward. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 22:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] errors

First of all citing streetgangs.com as a source of information is highly suspect if not irresponsible. I will grant that this site does a good job dealing with black gang issues and information. Its Asian gang section is full of inaccuracies and some underlying racism. For example Asian gang section for Fullerton lists one of the gangs as “Korean Monkeys [KM]”. This is inaccurate and a highly offensive slang term for the gang known as Korean Mafia [KM]. Also if you look at Asian gangs in Pomona this site list Garden Grove Town Mob [GTM] as active in Pomona. GTM has not been an active gang for 7-10 years and it was certainly never in Pomona. Not to be to critical but look at the name “Garden Grove Town” look at a map an you will figure out that Pomona is fifty miles from Garden Grove.

In terms of this article there are some major errors and inaccuracies. 1. Gangpae does not literally translate to gangster, it translates to Ball fight or fighter with balls. Gangpae is a slang term for gangster.

2. There is nothing vague about the formation of Korean Gangs in Korea. It might be vague to the author because he did not research this topic or apparently review any credible source. There are a number of credible sources that will clear up the vagueness about the formation of Korean Gangs in Korea.

3. The Last Generation is not a real gang it is an abbreviated term for Last Generation Koran Killers. Also Mo Rae Shi Gae is actually Morae Sigae, two words not four. The two words mean: Hour Glass, how you have it spelled it means nothing.

4. Under the heading of inactive gangs the author listed the following for Major Korean Gang in Los Angeles:

- Garden Grove Boys (GG Boys)

- Family Mobsters (FMS)

- West Gardenz (WGZ)

- Korean Crazy Dawgs (KCD)

- Korean Thug Family (KTF)

- Asian Town Koreans (ATK)

- Crazy Korean Boys (CKB)

The problem is that none of these gangs is in Los Angeles they are all from Garden Grove which is located in Orange County not Los Angeles county. This might seem like a technicality, however, I would not have had a problem with this if there was not a section entitle Korean gangs outside of Los Angeles. Even streetgangs .com does not make this error.

5. - Gardener Grove Town Mob (GTM) This is a mistake. “Gardener” should actually be “Garden”. The name of the gang in question is “Garden Grove Town Mob”. Look it up on Streetgangs.com the authors only source.

6. The authors pure specualtion on many topics in this article is highly irresponsible and clearly speculative. I will cite several examples:

"Korean gangs largely consist of troubled youth, unsure of themselves and burdened by family and/or financial problems. Other gang members are simply upset with the local law enforcement officers, convinced of their incompetence and racial"

This is soley the authors opinion, he cites no reserch to back this conclusion. He cites no interviews and no studies in which to lay the foundation for such a conclusury opinion.

"Another notable difference between Korean gangs and non-Korean gangs are the rankings. Usually, the positions of authority in Korean gangs are given to the most qualified older members, unlike other gangs, where the strongest or most clever person is at the top. Also present in Korean gangs is the unique bonding method: drinking together at a "sool jib," or a casual Korean style restaurant/bar."

Honestly, how is drinking a “unique” method of bonding. Also, what souce does the author cite as a comparisin of Korean vs. Non-Korean Gangs?

“To this date, many Korean gangs are still at war with Japanese gangs, or yakuza.”

This is an out right fabrication and is soley the authors opinion. The fact is 85% of Yakuza in japan are ethnically Korean. {Kaplan, The Yakuza, updated edition.}

Finally, this is an important subject to people who are serious researchers and criminologists. The authors speculation, opinions and racial bias do not belong in an educational Encyclopedia, they belong in a blog on Myspace. And that is this authors opinion.

I would generally agree. Can you recommend some better sources for this article subject? -- Visviva 05:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is this made up?

I am a Korean American. I have never heard of Koreans Living in Miami, let alone having a large enough population to have a gang in Miami. Where did you get your information? I believe the Author of this article is making things up. I read the discussion Article "errors". I live in the L.A Koreatown and I can tell you the Author of "Errors", Knows what he is talking about and is correct in many of the errors he points out. As a Korean American it makes me very sad to see such blatant mistakes made against my people. If the Author of this article is Korean, you should be ashamed. KORAM38 07:00, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed list

Since the attempt to get rid of the (unsourced and dubious) list entirely was not successful, and since the anon edit wars over that list were preventing the healthy growth of this article, I have moved that information to List of Korean American gangs. Please, if anyone has any reliable sources on this topic, go to that article and help sort things out. Thanks, -- Visviva 14:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)