User talk:Fz22

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Welcome to Wikipedia, Fz22! My name is Ryan, aka Acetic Acid. I noticed that you were new and haven't received any messages yet. I just wanted to see how you were doing. Wikipedia can be a little intimidating at first, since it uses different formatting than other sites that use HTML and CSS. In the long run, though, you'll find that the WikiSyntax is a lot easier and faster than those other ways. Here are a few links to get you started:

There are a lot of policies and guides to read, but I highly recommend reading over those first. If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. Please be sure to sign your name on Talk using four tildes (~~~~) to produce your name and the current date, along with a link to your user page. This way, others know when you left a message and how to find you. It's easier than having to type out your name, right? :)

I hope you enjoy contributing to Wikipedia. We can use all the help we can get! Have a nice day. Sincerely, Ryan 09:22, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Signature

Hello Fz22! When leaving messages on Talk pages, could you sign your name with ~~~~ at the end of your comments? It makes following discussions a lot easier. For more information, see Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thank you! Olessi 17:05, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] POV

I think your edits are POV. Can you discuss first on the talk page before you push your POV fork? --Bonaparte talk 20:24, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Have you answered my question or you just wants to ignore it? --Bonaparte talk 20:22, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
What question? --fz22 20:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
this one Fz22: Can you discuss first on the talk page before you push your POV fork? --Bonaparte talk 20:40, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Who said it is POV? You? Drawn ;)--fz22 20:46, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Trans pop.jpg

In case you didn't notice, Image:Trans pop.jpg is in danger of being deleted for lack of clarity where you got it from. Figured you'd want to know. Please use an appropriate image copyright tag, or this will certainly be deleted. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Collaboration

Azért írok neked, és még két-három magyar wikipédiásnak, mert szeretnék vmi szervezkedést elindítani a magyar történelemmel illetve a határon túli magyarsággal kapcsolatos oldalak ügyében. Úgy látszik, apró eredmények eléréséért is nagy harcokat kell vívni a szomszédainkkal, akik rendszerint sokkal jobban szervezettek, felkészültebbek és öntudatosabbak nálunk, így a történelmünket érintő cikkek vagy gyatra minőségűek vagy elfogultak vagy egyszerűen elhallgatják a nekünk kedvező tényeket. Kicsit fáradt vagyok már az állandó magányos csatározástól (bár a legérzékenyebb témákat eddig elkerültem) és jól jönne néha a segítség. A wikipedia azon az elven működik, hogy a sok-sok szerző egymást állandóan javítva, korrigálva, egymással vitatkozva jobbítja a cikkeket. Úgy tűnik, mi túl kevesen vagyunk ahhoz, hogy ez természetes módon, tudatos szervezkedés nélkül működjön. Ha van vmi ötleted vagy csak néha benéznél egy-egy felforrósodó topikba, előre is köszi! Üdv. Zello 03:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

ps. ez egy általános üzenet, mi persze már sokszor találkoztunk! Lécci iratkozz fel erre a listára is: Category:Wikipedians in Hungary! Üdv. Zello 03:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, megtortent ... Ne vedd tul komolyan az egeszet ... igaz rohejes, ha tortenelmi tenyeken vitatkozunk, mondvan, hogy nem semleges, csak azert mert valaki ezt kijelenti ... Nekunk(nekem), nem kell, hogy kedvezo legyen barmi is ... csak tortenelmileg megalapozott ... Fokent angol tudasom fejlesztese (rafer ;)) es a magyar tortenelem iranti szeretetem vezerel--fz22 07:19, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

A talk page-emen éppen arról beszélgetünk a többiekkel, külön levlista legyen-e vagy használjuk a magyar wikipédiát. Ha megvan a döntés, feltétlenül iratkozz fel! üdv. Zello 19:24, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Magyar wiki. Ha nem vagy feliratkozva, küldj egy levelet a user page-emen lévő címre és átküldöm a meghívót! üdv! Zello 09:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bias?

I suggest you to start collaboration otherwise someone will start soon an RfC against you. What is all this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sz%C3%A9kely&diff=prev&oldid=33755957 ? Bonaparte talk 07:38, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Come and see for yourself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sz%C3%A9kely)--fz22 08:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your contribution

szép térkép, gratula --KIDB 07:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

nem. propagandista térkép. Bonaparte talk 14:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
OFF. Es mit propagal? ON

[edit] Maps

Hello, Fz22! Thank you for your work on maps such as Image:Szeklers-in-hungary.PNG, Image:East-hungary13th.PNG, and Image:East-hungary16th.PNG. Do you think you could enlarge them a little bit? The small text on them is difficult for me to read. Also, they don't have all the same copyright info, which you might want to update. Do you think you could make a map for Partium? Olessi 20:46, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The medieval Székely society

Could you please have a look at the new paragraph I wrote in hu:Székelyföld. If there are no objections I will translate it into English, too. --KIDB 08:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Talán egy magyarázatot még betehetnél a temetkezési térképre, hogy a kék kockák mit jelentenek.--KIDB 17:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

érdekes hír a lovas temetkezéssel kapcs. http://www.mult-kor.hu/cikk.php?article=12757 --KIDB 11:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

2005-ben hallottam rola, es olvastam is par romaniai cikket, meg hogy nem volt penz az asatasokra (hol van ilyenkor Mo???). Ha ertesz romanul: http://new.revistapresei.ro/pp_articol_4692-Daci-si-maghiari-in-acelasi-mormant.htm --fz22 18:04, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Hungarian_horseburial_nearCluj10c.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Hungarian_horseburial_nearCluj10c.jpg. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

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Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. You can get help on image copyright tagging from Wikipedia talk:Image copyright tags. -- Carnildo 19:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transylvania

Hello,

I've cleaned up and reduced the section history on the Transylvania article, and I intend to reduce it even further and I'll try starting newer sections about more important things such as places to see, and culture (which are almost inexistent). Until then, I would be grateful if you will take a look at the history section and give me some feedback on how to condensate it even further, or if there are some crucial events I forgot. For now, I'll try and search for the distroyed Culture section.

Thanks Mihai -talk 13:16, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I've resonded on the Transylvania talk page. Mihai -talk 18:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Regarding 12.154.100.15, please do not feel the trolls. ;-) Also, thanks for making the map for Partium! Olessi 22:52, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oradea nicknames

Szerbus Fz22. I see that you've reverted my removal of the nicknames for Oradea. Do you have any sources for these? I live in Oradea, and I've never heard any of these names being used, particularly ones like "Hungarian Santiago de Compostela" (for one, Oradea isn't even in Hungary!). "Athens on the Körös", if anything, should be "Athens on the Criş", but even that name I have never heard. I also don't see a particular reasoning behind the "city of tomorrow" and "felix civitas". Additionally, the city has no official motto. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 04:25, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I appreciate your reply. I think that if the nicknames you talk about are historical, then they should perhaps be included in the history section. Placing them in the introduction makes it seem as if they are commonly used, contemporary nicknames. For example, if would be OK to mention that during Oradea's history, when it was under Hungarian control, it was known as the Hungarian Compostela, as Hungarians would make a pilgrimage there, etc. For the others, it would be good to have a source just so that they are verifiable. But, in any case, in order to avoid ambiguity, it would be good to explain the origin and use of the nicknames rather than just listing them (for example, we could have a Culture section that explains the city's multicultural heritage and how it significant for both Romanians, Hungarians, etc, alike). Thanks, Ronline ✉ 09:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
"Unfortunately the official Romanian policy in the last century was to deny everything which is Hungarian" Hmmm, I really don't think that's an accurate representation of the situation, particularly at the current moment (I believe that while initiatives like Szekler autonomy need more support, minority rights in Romania are quite advanced. If it is was all about denial, why do we have things like bilingual signs, Hungarian-language education, judicial representation, etc). But anyway, the point is that there will always be cultural differences between Romanians and Hungarians, and therefore each of the two ethnicities will use different vocabularies, references, nicknames, etc. I don't think this has anything to do with any official policy. In any case, I don't know the Hungarian language (outside of a few words), so I wouldn't know if they are used in the Hungarian community. But even if they are, that should be mentioned. Just saying that "these are nicknames for Oradea" is a biased interpretation, when they are really only used by 27% or so of the population. A much better way to do this would be to write in a relevant section (i.e. Culture section) about how Hungarians in Oradea refer to the city using these nicknames, and then perhaps explain the nicknames and how they came about. Ronline ✉ 11:24, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the part on Romanianization is very true. Indeed, the Hungarian population has been declining throughout Oradea, and the Communist regime worked very hard to launch the notion of "this city has always been purely Romanian and all other inhabitants are invaders" (of course, in theory, some minority rights still existed). Then again, there was also Magyarization during the Hungarian rule. The point is that it worked both ways, and it was very unfortunate. Hopefully we can now work together in a city that values both nationalities (and the other ethnicities, such as the Roma) equally. Ronline ✉ 12:04, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vote

In case you are interested: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Border history of Romania --KIDB 10:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for some sources

Szia! Would you be able to help me provide sources for these claims and this? I found one for the 1910 Census, but the others need to have reliable references. Thanks. —Khoikhoi 00:25, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, it's just that this sentence was recently deleted, and I know that you were the one who added it. Do you have any sources to back up the claim? —Khoikhoi 02:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Ooops, thanks for the explanation. :) Adios. —Khoikhoi 17:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image talk?

Did you wrote something on this image talk page? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Szekely03.png My watchlist show that you wrote something on this image talk page, but the talk page there is empty. If you wrote something, can you repeat it because there is nothing on the talk page. PANONIAN (talk) 15:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Calling programmers

We need coders for the WikiProject Disambigation fixer. We need to make a program to make faster and easier the fixing of links. We will be happy if you could check the project. You can Help! --Neo139 08:59, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transylvania

Please take a look at what User:Criztu has begun doing in the article Transylvania. This man has called for mediation, has opened ten debates on the same topic in various places, has been proven wrong every single time, and now he just adds the same views without even caring. Please give your input on the article's talk page about whether this is or isn't trolling/vandalism. Dahn 16:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology of Ardeal/Erdély

Hi Fz22, you added the following text: "Ardó/Erdő "forest"; cf. Végardó" to my earlier statement "The Romanian form Ardeal was probably derived from an old Hungarian form". Do you have a source for this information? I'll check my Hungarian etymological dictionary tonight, but I'd be surprised if ardó is another form of erdő (deriving from ered). Also the entry in the Hungarian Wikipedia for Beregardó (Beregszász-Végardó) states: "1332-ben Ordow néven említik először". Scott Moore 13:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Segitség Fz22nek

Megprobálok segíteni neked a "nézeteltéréseddel" user:Panoniannal. Ha továbbra is segitségre szorulsz, nyugottan irjál nekem a vitalapomra. Bihariak, tartsunk össze!! Öcsi 20:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

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By the way Öcsi, there are some strange things here. For example your contributions: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=%C3%96csi Your last Wikipedia edit was in 10 October and now you came exactly here after 3 days in which you did not edited and the only article that you edited is this one. Furthermore, this edit that you made: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hungarian_people&diff=80585187&oldid=80407773 You claim there that you "come from Bihar" and if you check User:Fz22 userpage, you can see that he is "Wikipedian from Oradea" (and Oradea is part of Bihar). So, do we have here a strange coincidence that two Wikipedians from Bihar have special interest for this article or I should ask for sockpuppetry check? Some people believe in strange coincidences, but not me. PANONIAN (talk) 00:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Ez tényleg azt hiszi, hogy te én vagy. Hát ez már paranoia... Öcsi 14:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Your recent edits to Demographic history of Vojvodina

Please make editorial comments on the Talk Page of articles, not on the article page itself. --Richard 09:46, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I have no opinion about the "pig-headed Pannonian", good or bad. It is not my intent to use a "double standard". I saw your edit via "Recent changes". Whatever dispute you may have with "the pig-headed Pannonian", please restrict it to the Talk Page and keep it off the article page. If I had seen a similar edit from him on the article page, I would have left him a similar message. --Richard 03:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox ajánló

This user supports Bihar county and the reunification of Bihar and Bihor


Ha tetszik, nyugodtan felhasználhatod. Öcsi 21:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


Láttad már? (Bocs, de nem válaszoltál)


Mindig van egy elsö alkalom. Bár én inkább egy olyan autonóm egyesült eurorégióra gondolok, Nagyváraddal mint központ. Mivel a régi Bihar megye olyan volt mint egy müködö kis ország. Ezt visszakellene állitani, és egy gazdaságilag nagyon erös régiónk lenne. Domborzatátol függve is megvolt minden: Alföld, dombok, hegyek --> részben jó termötalaj a síkságon, "ércgazdag" hegyek. És még aránylag etnikai béke is volt (a már régebben ottlakó Románokkal mindenesetre nem volt baj). És ha ez sikerülne, akkor végre (reményem szerint) elkezdödne egy folyamat, ami magyarokat és románokat közelebb hozza. --Öcsi 14:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for assistance

There is a discussion at Talk:World record progression for the Men's 10,000 m about whether Hannes Kolehmainen actually had a ratified world record at this distance, since it appears that Jean Bouin had run a better time at an earlier date. There is a web reference that appears to offer an explanation, but it's in Hungarian. Could you please take a look here (look for "Kolehmainen" and "Bouin") and leave a note at the talk page I mentioned above about what it basically says? Shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes. Thank you! GregorB 21:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Partium

Hi Fz22, I would like to ask you a few questions about article Partium. I just want to understand:

  • Is the Eastern Hungarian Kingdom ruled by John I of Hungary the same thing as the Principality of Transylavania or not? In the article John I of Hungary it is written that in 1538 (so 12 years after the battle of Mohács), Ferdinand of Habsburg, his political rival was designated as Zápolya's successor by the treaty of Nagyvarad, after John I's death, which if I understand right occured in 1540. At first thought that seems to tell that till 1540 one should speak of Eastern Hungarian Kingdom, and after that as Principality of Transylavania. But, then, it is also written there that his son John II Sigismund Zápolya succeeded him "as Hungarian King and Ottoman vassal". So, is the name autonomuous Principality of Transylvania incorrect, and one should use rather Eastern Hungarian Kingdom for 1526-1699? Or was it that between 1526 and 1571 both Zápolya and Habsburgs pretended to be kings, and after 1571 only Habsburgs, with Zápolya receiving only Partium?
  • In which part was Partium in 1526-1571, in Zápolya's part or in Habsburg's part? I guess in Habsburgs' , but I want to be sure I am not mistaken.
  • You say Parts of the Royal Hungary were entrusted to Prince John II Sigismund of Transylvania, until the extinction of the Zápolya-house. What are these parts? Partium? Transylvania, inlcuding Partium? Partium and somthing to the west of it? Somthing else altogether? I mean after 1571, because your answer to previous question would explain what was before 1571.
  • You say Both Transylvania and Partium remained integrant members of the Kingdom of Hungary. Which "Kingdom of Hungary" do you refer to, the one dominated by Habsburgs, or Transylavania (the autonomuous one)? I can understand that you don't mean the one before 1526 and the one after 1867, and I can understand if you will say that there is continuity between these. I want first to understand (for me) the parts, which part belong to whom, and then the "continuity issue" will be obvious.
  • Is it true what I wrote that today the Hungarian part corresponds to the Hajdú-Bihar county, and small parts of the Szabolcs-Szatmár-Bereg and Békés counties of Hungary ? I simply looked at the maps, but I would rather prefer to have someone confirm this.

Thank you.:Dc76 18:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

By the way, you are right, Satu Mare is not part of the Maramures historical region. The confusion's origin is very simple: when regions were introduced in Romania in 1952, what today are Maramures and Satu Mare counties formed together Baia Mare region. Then in 1960 the name of the region was changed to Maramures region (I think not the other way around, but to be sure we'd need to double check), until 1968, when counties were reintroduced, with borders sometimes close, but sometimes quite different than before 1952. After 1989, politicians wanted to speak of Dobrogea, Moldova, Muntenia, Oltenia, Transylvania, Banat, Crisana and Maramures, and that to mean specific counties according to the existing county boundaries. Now, obviously there would be some present-day boundaries of counties that would not correspond to the historical ones. Moreover, in saying Crisana and Maramures, they had to say "3+1" counties or "2+2". It was easier for many to simply "remember" the map before 1968, than to think back in history. But as you can see, this dies out, almost noone any longer uses that. Now it's back to historical regions which don't have to correspond to modern boundaries, or to development regions (which are exactly the statistical regions that the statisticians always used, without the rest to even know or care about it). Me and User:Biruitorul, plus a few others are trying to make a template for Maramures, Subcarpathian Ruthenia, plus a few other thing, and edit some of those article. One of the first things we decided is to drop the 2+2 as no longer valid. If you are interested, feel free to join here (we are still in very initial stages):Dc76 18:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, thank you very much for your answers to the Partium article. I have modified the article a little according to what I've learned from you. By all means, feel free to correct more where needed. I removed the NPOV, since I don't see any NPOV issues there. If someone has more issues, noone forbods him/her to bring them up latter. I placed a request for links tag, because we must work to have links after the key phrases in the article, just so that an outside reader can see that the article has quality. Again, thank you.:Dc76 22:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Map

You cannot upload new version? Did you tried to upload it under new name? That will help, but you will have to replace old map with new one in the articles where old map is posted. PANONIAN (talk) 16:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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