Talk:Fusako Sano

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Contents 1 trial dates 2 Dates 3 Clarification requested 4 kudos 5 Kanji 6 Trivia 7 Given and surname 8 Where did the release occur? 9 Japanese interwiki

[edit] trial dates

how is the case of Kaspar Hauser relevant here? It shouldn't be linked. the dates dont make sense here;

The defense appealed on January 24, 2002, and the trial moved to the Tokyo High Court. On October 12, 2000, the Tokyo High Court judge Toshio Yamada (山田利夫) sentenced Mr. Sato to 11 years, reducing the initial sentence. Both the prosection and the defense appealed on December 24, 2002, and the case moved to the Supreme Court of Japan on December 10, 2002.

i tried changing that to 2002, but it didnt work (?)

My japanese is not that fluent, but I think you're right. I corrected another mistake, based on this source -- Chris 73 | Talk 06:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dates

There is some confusion when she was abducted and released. She was released on January 28, 2000, after being kidnapped for 9 years two months, which makes November 1990 the kidnappimg date. It seems some newspapers just subtracted 9 years from 2000 and got 1991 as kidnapping date. There seem to be similar miscalculations about her age at kidnapping (9 or 10?) Anybody has more details? -- Chris 73 | Talk 10:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

BBC says that it was November 1990 and that she was nine years old. Link. Silvano 00:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

The two Japanese sources I added both say 1990-11-13, so that seems fairly clear. Neier 01:08, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks for the update! BTW, is the age with 10 correct? Some sources state nine. Do we have a birthday for either the girl or the kidnapped, and do we have the Kanji for her alias? -- Chris 73 | Talk 09:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I have done some research. I think that the kanji for her alias is 山田幸子. But I am not an expert and I may be wrong.Silvano 12:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clarification requested

"Sato Nobuyuki, then 37 years old, was arrested. In the following court proceedings, the prosecutors acted very carefully to avoid damages to the girls feeling, and even included a charge for shoplifting. Nevertheless they wanted to put Mr. Sato in jail for as long as possible. The Supreme Court of Japan sided with the prosecution and Mr. Sano is currently serving a 14 year prison sentence (other sources state 15 years)."

What does the first sentence mean? "Nevertheless" seems like the wrong word here.... nevertheless implies that the previous thing the prosecution did was to reduce the sentence of Mr Sato. Also, how did including a charge of shoplifting "avoid damages to the girls feeling"? - Ta bu shi da yu 14:34, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

The wording can definitely be improved. This paragraph mainly draws from this article. Please feel free to improve it -- Chris 73 | Talk 14:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] kudos

After the girl in Austria, I went looking for info about the girl kidnapped in Niigata some years back. I was very happy to find this article. I see this article was made after interest in the Natascha girl increased, but I still think it is a great thing that the people here took the time to remember this "old news"l and her plight and put it out there as an article on wiki for people to see. Kudos Kudos. Malnova 18:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I wanted to write this article sice quite some time, but the Natascha Kampusch story finally made me write it. Fusako spent roughly 400 days more in captivity. Unfortunately, many of the details are not publicly known, and some newspaper seem to have rounded/mis-calculated the dates. -- Chris 73 | Talk 23:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kanji

Where did you find the kanji for Fusako? The only site I can find with that is google cached copies of 2ch. Neier

Maybe here. Silvano 01:38, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, this was exactly the source I looked at -- Chris 73 | Talk 09:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

"During this time she also enjoys digital photography, especially of flowers. Ms Sano also obtained a driver license, driving a white van, although after a small crash she does not drive much anymore. Neighbors comment that she is a fan of the local J. League soccer team Albirex Niigata, and visits some of their games."

How is this relevant to an encylopedic article? I understand this article is supposed to be about the criminal case, not about the person herself. As it is, all the details not really directly relating to the case (such as the ones quoted above) are non-notable and I would prefer them to be deleted, as there's no reason to include them. Also, it would be respectful to her privacy. --84.137.32.89 10:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the part about the car and the accident, since they are not really needed. However, the other informations are useful to paint a full picture. -- Chris 73 | Talk 09:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Given and surname

Which is the surname, which the family name?'   Andreas   ^(T) 15:00, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Surname and Family name are the same thing. Her given name/"first name" is Fusako, her last/family/surname is Sano.

[edit] Where did the release occur?

According to some sources, the captor took the victim with him to a hospital, where police was called. This is more in line with the victim's report that she "went out for the first time".   Andreas   ^(T) 15:00, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

"The girl was discovered when the man took her to the hospital suffering from exhaustion, and started to cause a disturbance." Tokyo Notice Board, Feb. 4, 2000. [1]

"She was found after police answered a call about a man causing a disturbance at a hospital. Sano, who was with Sato, approached the officers and identified herself." [2]   Andreas   ^(T) 15:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese interwiki

I wonder why you removed the Japanese interwiki. I have to admit I can't read Japanese. Nevertheless, poeple who do would like to know what Japanese editors have to say about the case, even if Sano remains anonymous in the Japanese article.   Andreas   ^(T) 13:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry if it was too bold that I removed the Japanese interwiki. I am a JaWp editor and I must elaborate on why I removed it.

Although I removed the link to the Japanese article, such a link is not a problem in itself, and of cource I know it is useful. However, it will lead the interlang-bots to add a reverse link. To make such a reverse link is to write the victim's real name into the Japanese article.

It is the real problem because the official policies of JaWp do not allow the articles including any personal information of crime/accident victims. Then, not only reverting but also deleting will be required to get rid of the victim's real name. That's why I must remove the Japanese interwiki. --Kanjy 12:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I will try to respect that policy. I re-removed the interwiki link and added it in a separate section, but, bots will not pick it up. However, I would like to know what would happen if the JaWP was updated with some facts (not names) and a </reference> to a news site was added, like http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/waiwai/archive/news/2004/12/20041229p2g00m0dm999000c.html Since her name is in the article, does it mean that it is not a valid source for a reference in JaWP? Neier 13:43, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Does this also hold for non-Japanese crime victims? I see that Natascha Kampusch's article has an interwiki to a Japanese article that has an interwiki to the English and German articles.   Andreas   ^(T) 15:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Neier: Thank you for moving the link. I think it is the best solution. If a link to such a news site would be added, the article would be nominated for version-deletion to have the problematic version and the following versions deleted. I'm sure that there are some JaWp editors who nominate such an article for deletion, but I'm not sure that such an article will be actually deleted or just reverted or left with the link.

Andreas: I understand that some JaWp editors worry personal information of victims and criminals worldwide, but the major opinion seems different: if the victim's/criminal's real name identifies the case outside Japan and notable enough to be an Encyclopedia article, to write the real name in the JaWp article is not a privacy infringement. --Kanjy 19:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)