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Contents 1 3RR 2 Signature 3 Regarding your comments at Republic of Macedonia talk page 4 3RR 5 Macedonism 6 Vlatko 7 Macedonians 8 Reverts in Ilyo Voyvoda 9 Could you... 10 and another Poll... 11 Coo... 12 Macedonia (terminology) 13 I prefer 14 Sorry about that 15 Словени-Македонци = Българи 16 Macedonia (terminology) 17 Vlatko 18 Well 19 Talk:Macedonia (terminology) 20 Sock 21 You renamed my article!!! 22 Mail 23 RfC 24 No, you are about to break the Wikipedia:3RR on Slavic Translations of the Bible 25 Macedonism 26 3RR 27 Hey 28 Gossip

[edit] 3RR

FF - no more reverts for you today (just in case you forgot). --Tēlex 20:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping an eye. I'm watching them.   /FunkyFly.talk_   20:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Signature

This is a polite request that you remove the <blink> tag from your signiture. It is somewhat distracting. Thank you. pschemp | talk 16:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Visually distracting, or just makes my signature too long?   /FunkyFly.talk_   16:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Visually distracting. The policy at WP:SIG says in fact "Your signature should not blink, or otherwise inconvenience or be annoying to other editors." It a bit long for some people's taste, but I personally don't have an issue with that. pschemp | talk 17:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, only a very small part of the signature blinks. --Tēlex 17:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

So be it, there goes the blink.   /FunkyFly.talk_  17:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. pschemp | talk 18:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding your comments at Republic of Macedonia talk page

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MatriX (talk • contribs) .

I don't get it? --Tēlex 17:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I get it. It's personal attacks against the Macedonian people. It is reminiscent of user:Makedonec   /FunkyFly.talk_  22:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

You are in danger of violating Wikipedia:3RR on Macedonism. --Cigor 02:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry, but you leave me no choice. I asked you 3 times how do you want the structure of the article and you did not seem to care. Now you it looks, you do mind the structure. --Cigor 02:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

You're not entitled to an answer to every question you pose.   /FunkyFly.talk_  02:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I just wonder, do you have any spine? --Cigor 02:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, now come the big guns. Go ahead, blast at will.   /FunkyFly.talk_  02:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

All I am saying you have no arguments but hatred. --Cigor 02:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

We all hold our opinions.   /FunkyFly.talk_  02:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

The difference is I back up my opinions, whereas you just vandalise. Now, do you believe in conscience or perhaps, Final Judgement --Cigor 02:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, the big guns again. Vandalism is a relative term, which given the right viewpoint can be completely reversed in its scope.   /FunkyFly.talk_  03:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

What relative thing? Did or did I not ask you 3 times about the format? Did or did you not merge my answers but kept your rebuttals? I mean if you don't see hypocrisy there no matter how "relative" you are, it just shows you have no spine. --Cigor 03:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Kabooom goes the Big Gun....   /FunkyFly.talk_  03:05, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Surely , some merits have to inspire you, I mean, a men can't be that morally corrupt. What legacy can he hope achieve, otherwise? --Cigor 03:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Did you just stop firing with the Big Guns, or maybe you're just reloading?   /FunkyFly.talk_  03:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Are you capable answering straight question? How sad. I pity your soul. --Cigor 03:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I guess you were just reloading.   /FunkyFly.talk_  03:26, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Here is some beautiful Bulgarian music, may it will help you, it's good for the soul. [1]--Cigor 03:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

No thanks. Btw, I'd appreciate if you stop posting here, for tonight, because you seem like you have nothing to say.   /FunkyFly.talk_  03:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonism

I'm wondering whether to add the (what I presume are) the Albanian and Greek names for Macedonism. In Albanian it would probably be 'Maqedonizëm', and in Greek, it would probably be 'Μακεδονισμός' (Makedonismós). The problem is, I cannot find any sources confirming that either of the terms can be used in that way. Any ideas? --Tēlex 20:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, this could be a problem. Maybe it has only colloquial use. You should be able to find it at least in Greek, since we have one Greek author talking about it in English. Check google scholar?   /FunkyFly.talk_  20:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Nothing. I'll have to see if I can find one of his printed publications (I find that Google scholar isn't really helpful when it comes to non-English languages). --Tēlex 20:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Ask Francis, he gave several sites once.   /FunkyFly.talk_  20:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

On a side note, I'm starting to think that Claims 1 and 4 should be merged, they really talk about the same thing.   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vlatko

OK, this is related to the talk we had over Macedoniasm, all I want to say is that the use of the term is wrongly used. The starting part of the article describes this title or term: Macedonification of Bulgarians, Macedonism means Macedonian culture and its influence in existence. And it is not in a neutral point of view, you are just proving that the term has no other meanings, just the bulgarian is the right one, and so you implicate wrong context. Pleae add a bulgarian "use" of Macedonism for "purposes". And correct the titling--Vlatko 02:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC

I'm trying to confirm your claim, but I cannot do so.   /FunkyFly.talk_  03:07, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, than remove the part of the starting article where is mentioned the relation of Macedonisns with Bulgarians to an section regarding it, and the coining also. It is not proven that Macedonians are Bulgarians and otherwise. Realy, the explanation of the term is lost.--Vlatko 15:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC

[edit] Macedonians

Funky, why did you make a separate article for Macedonians? The content was only a fork of Macedonian, exactly duplicating the demography section. Since it was a redirect to Macedonian, I also don't see any pov concerns.--Aldux 18:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

See this   /FunkyFly.talk_  02:50, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverts in Ilyo Voyvoda

May I ask why you reverted my edits in Ilyo Voyvoda? Note that references to Macedonia link to Macedonia as a region, not the present state, and since the subject was born in the region I think this is the only verifiably correct way to refer to him (unless you can provide a reference that he felt ethnically Bulgarian?). Do you agree that he is considered a national hero both in Bulgaria and Macedonia (state)? The names divided by a slash are Bulgarian and Macedonian (language) transliterations from the cyrillic, what do you have against mentioning both? Since he is apparently a national hero in Macedonia (state), the article is a Macedonia-related stub, isn't it? Preslav 13:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Because it is not specific enough. He was Bulgarian. You can reinstate the other names under which he was known if you wish.   /FunkyFly.talk_  18:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Could you...

... check your e-mail.--Tēlex 18:35, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Will do.   /FunkyFly.talk_  18:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Will spend time on this sometime next week, after I resolve some unrelated issues   /FunkyFly.talk_  18:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] and another Poll...

Hi. There's a debate about how much "X-ian" one must be in order to be considered "X-American" (or X-Yian for that matter) and be categorized as such. The poll is here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Rules for lists of X-Americans. Kindly weigh in! :NikoSilver: 21:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coo...

Look at who else they are claiming as "Macedonians" [2]: Basil II and Justinian I. --Tēlex 17:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Regioners at best.   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonia (terminology)

Text added in demographics and linguistics. Please comment.:NikoSilver: 12:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I prefer

The splendid link to a letter from Nature that Fut. Perf. gave me, see Talk:Macedonians (ethnic group). - FrancisTyers · 18:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry about that

But I don't think the link should be included, as it is clearly about a different organisation. The whole article needs citing, particularly the EU judgements. I've added it to my watchlist and will be on the look out for white-washers. - FrancisTyers · 17:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Словени-Македонци = Българи

Pro4eti tova:

• Г. ПЪРВАНОВ ПОДПИСА УКАЗ ЗА ПРИЗНАВАНЕ НА ГРАЖДАНСТВО НА ЕДИН ОТ НАЙ-ПОПУЛЯРНИТЕ ПОЛИТИЦИ В ЗАПАДНАТА НИ СЪСЕДКА

Експремиерът-депутат на Македония Любчо Георгиевски обяви: “Аз съм българин!” и получи гражданство, паспорт и регистрация в Благоевград, срути пирамидата от исторически фалшификации на Скопие.

Над 10 000 етнически българи чакат в момента за гражданство, 500 000 души се самоопределят в бившата югославска република за българи, безспорен факт е - над 1 000 000 имат кръвна връзка с България, президентът Киро Глигоров признал през 1941-1944 г. в Кюстендил, че е българин, после “забрави”.... :) --Asteraki 17:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes I know it already, thanks.   /FunkyFly.talk_  17:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Parlez-vous français? ;-) --Tēlex 17:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonia (terminology)

There's no vote. It seems like overwhelming consensus has to be achieved. I've no idea about the passing criteria, but it seems you have to convince everyone (I saw some archived rejected discussions). I am really tired working for both the article and to convince everybody... Could you please help in citing certain derogatory terms? (see my rel note in Telex talk... :NikoSilver: 20:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do.   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vlatko

What is this new thing [3]? Why does he always refer to you as "the Funk"? --Tēlex 16:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Cause its shorter than FunkyFly? I dont know...   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:32, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Well

I can't protect it now as I've made a reasonably significant editorial contribution :) - FrancisTyers · 01:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

None I can think of at the moment. I suggest you try and work with the mediation process. The guy seems to be competant. - FrancisTyers · 01:44, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Macedonia (terminology)

We're almost done for the FA status, but there is too little time to deal with some final opjections, mainly in citation. Your help is needed, see talk! :NikoSilver: 15:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sock

Man, this is really funny...! In just a few days i have been accused of been a sockpuppet [4], and of having a sockpuppet... you, in particular [5]! anyway... it seems that this article needs attention. Regards:) --Hectorian 11:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm a sock from the old days of communism.   /FunkyFly.talk_  15:03, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You renamed my article!!!

That was extremely rude and uncivilized!!!

I wouldn't mind if you picked a better title (since I was not too happy with the title either, it was too long). But you picked a much worse one.

Yes, the macedonian language did not exist in 1840 as a standard langauge. But the bulgarian language didn't exist in 1840 as a standard language either. They were both in diapers. That presented a good oportunity to make one standard langauge for both Macedonians and Bulgarians. It looks like Macedonians back then didn't mind the appelation "Bulgarian", as long as the language is close enough to their dialect, so they can understand it, and use it. The language of Neofit Rilski, based on the Pirin Macedonian dialect, fairly close to the Shopski dialect, was an excellent choice. It was a central, compromise dialect between western Macedonian dialect, and eastern Bulgarian dialect.

Unfortunately, the Bulgarians had a different idea of what their standard language should look like. They adopted the eastern Trnovo-Varna dialect to be a central and compromise dialect between the Shopi and the fish in the Black See. They completely rejected the Macedonian dialect and left Macedonians on their own, to create their own standard language. So, this diaper phase (1840-1860) ended up with a pretty messy results. It ended up with creating two standard langauges: Macedoian and Bulgarian.

Now think about a better name for this article. --Filip M 13:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Your article? Bulgarian was not standartized, but was widely recognized as a language, unlike Macedonian, which was not acknowledged until 1903. The name is just right.   /FunkyFly.talk_  03:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mail

Check your e-mail :) Todor→Bozhinov 12:42, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfC

Haven't ever thought about worrying :) That guy's actions are hilarious, besides, who'd take a very likely sockpuppet seriously. He's the one who deserves an RfC anyway. Actually, if his anon proxies manage to save him from the CheckUser function, we may think of resorting to RfC — personally, I've got a whole collection of violations and cool words/phrases used by him :) Todor→Bozhinov 19:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No, you are about to break the Wikipedia:3RR on Slavic Translations of the Bible

You are about to break Wikipedia:3RR on Slavic Translations of the Bible. Refrain from further edits. --Filip M 04:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonism

Please try and be civil and descriptive in your edit summaries. - FrancisTyers · 17:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

At least I dont curse openly unlike some well-known linguists-admins.   /FunkyFly.talk_  17:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

What is the problem with cursing? (I presume you're referring to me) — and you can remove the bit about nationalists, I didn't add it and I don't have any sources for it at present. - FrancisTyers · 18:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

No idea what you're talking about. Please be more specific. - FrancisTyers · 18:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

The difference being, you were directing your curse at me, I don't remember ever having said you've "bitched". I may have a page full of translations of "fuck the border", but its slightly different to making incivil accusations. I'd be glad to see diffs where I've sworn at someone or criticised someone using strong language, but I try and avoid it, and would apologise if it came out in the "heat of the moment" so to speak. And regarding "blindly reverting", again show me the diff because I have no idea what you're talking about. - FrancisTyers · 18:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Apologies for the blind revert, it was not intentional. - FrancisTyers · 19:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I've removed it per your request. Please see the talk page for my rationale in the recent changes. - FrancisTyers · 19:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

No idea why the {{Greece-stub}} is there! And regarding the language, feel free to add it back. I won't consider it a revert. I don't remember deliberately removing it (if I did). - FrancisTyers · 19:32, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

You are about to violate Wikipedia:3RR on Bulgaria. Please refrain from further edits or you may be blocked temporarily. ElevatedStork 19:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I have reverted only 2 times but you 3 times since first time I was just "added" the info. --ElevatedStork 19:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually it's you to have broken the 3R rule. But I don't care about you having blocked. Admins will see who's right. --ElevatedStork 20:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Blocking is preventative not punative. This you should learn from now on. --ElevatedStork 06:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I am beginning to wonder if an RfC might be the way to proceed. Input from the community at large would probably be more helpful than a 3RR block. Jkelly 15:50, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, well, if this is the case, then that does make things simple. Jkelly 15:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

This person needs a new hobby. Why is doing something like this fun? Jkelly 16:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

You should have noted that on the talk page, perhaps that would have stopped the edit war. I've found the "Turkish official" mentioned on a few pages at least. Are you sure there isn't some subsidiary law making it official in some circumstances? Like in the UK we have the "Welsh Language Act" and language isn't mentioned in our (non-existent) constitution. - FrancisTyers · 21:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

And if it isn't official, it probably should be (at least in some circumstances), after all the Turks make up quite a large minority in Bulgaria, certainly more than the Welsh and Scots in the UK. :) - FrancisTyers · 21:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm not saying it should be included in the article. But perhaps if it has any kind of official use (e.g. regulated by a secondary law) it should appear in the bottom of the infobox, like Welsh and all the other minority languages do on the United Kingdom page. As a matter of interest, why don't you support having Turkish as a recognised minority language in Bulgaria? You don't have to answer, I'm just curious. - FrancisTyers · 22:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I didn't say more, I'm sure we have more in total (our country is probably 6-7 times larger than yours), but I'm talking specifically about percentage, Welsh in the UK, vs. Turks in Bulgaria. Welsh make up probably around 3% of the UK population, I've seen figures for Turks between 6% and 15% - FrancisTyers · 22:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Most probably there are around 15%. Turks have their own party which rules in the Bulgarian Guvernment.--ElevatedStork 06:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

As I said above, I'm not talking about percentage of all ethnic minorities (although provisions are made where any minority has a large population) — for example interpreters at court, information on the benefits system in many languages etc. — signs and advertisements etc.

I'm talking specifically about one minority, the Welsh, or the Scots which make up ~3% and ~8% of the population respectively. Both Welsh and Scots Gaelic have official recognition. Why would you oppose it for Turkish? - FrancisTyers · 22:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Incidentally, since you mention it, the Jamaicans speak English, although a different (in some cases very different) dialect from the English of England. In certain circumstances allowances are made for children at school speaking this and extra help is provided. - FrancisTyers · 22:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I feel very strongly that the Turkish government should end its oppressive treatment of the Kurdish people in all aspects, linguistic, cultural and political. Ever wonder who asked me if I was Kurdish? - FrancisTyers · 22:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC) (Answer since you don't care: A Turk who was getting frustrated at my continual defence of the rights of the Kurdish people)

Incidentally, if you don't want to answer the question regarding the recognition of the Turkish language in Bulgaria, as I said you don't have to, just let me know and I'll stop asking :) - FrancisTyers · 22:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

So am I to understand that you don't wish your rationale to be known? - FrancisTyers · 22:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, no problem, I can understand that you might be embarassed by it, I'll give it a rest. I have my theories anyway :) - FrancisTyers · 22:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Good guess ;) I must say I'm surprised, Bonaparte normally goes for Romania related issues. I don't regret our discussion on the 3RR board though. You should always try and be constructive and WP:AGF. I think the Turkish thing touched a raw nerve ;) - FrancisTyers · 15:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gossip

What is User:Amacos saying about me at mk:user talk:FlavrSavr#Помош!!!!? --Telex 16:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, what is FS's answer at mk:user talk:Amacos#Ej? --Telex 16:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, if you find any others let me know :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by FrancisTyers (talk • contribs).

Check your mailbox. --Telex 17:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

You mean because I have my own IP range, "descr: Mr Francis Tyers"? :) Well, most ISPs in the UK offer this. And I have several computers and share a house so it pays off and is only slightly more per month. The speed is really crap though, only 512/256. I'm moving out of this house at the end of the month so thats only me for the remaining 25 days ;) - FrancisTyers · 17:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Possibly in London, but it would be really expensive. They have 8Mb down, 512K up now (accross the country), but the problem is always it is capped, e.g. you can only download a certain amount per month. I prefer to be able to download as much as I want and have a lower speed. Well, this is my real name, I could register under a false name, but I'm not intending to do anything funny, so I don't see the point. :) And besides, those are just the IPs for my home computers ;) - FrancisTyers · 17:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Thats ADSL. They have SDSL in various regions, but I'm not sure how fast it goes. Where they have Cable internet, it is usually as fast as the ADSL. - FrancisTyers · 17:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)