User talk:Frost Indri

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Contents 1 Pottery 2 Be Bold! 3 Uploading pictures 4 Image Tagging Image:Drowtales-Ne'Kalsaider-drider.jpg 5 Image Tagging Image:Drowtales-GrayandDark.jpg

[edit] Pottery

Hi - Welcome to Wikipedia!! It's always nice to see other clay people weigh in. Don't feel in a hurry about the clay/ceramics reorganization - just continue to put out ideas for now. The issue came up with some Korean editors (see the talk page), with a language and cultural barrier over terms and placement. I've been in clay as an artist and teacher for a long time, and, my own opinions aside, American terms and usage differ from the British/Australians/Canadians, and they seem to differ from other potters worldwide. So we have to come up with a structure that accomodates the widest possible viewpoint.

When I first came to Wiki, I felt quite urgent about contributing, but I've come to realize that time is a great asset here. We have time to think and discuss - and experiment. So contribute to the clay articles where you can. And be BOLD about your views. I hope you have fun here. Comments always welcome. WBardwin 20:33, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. The only reason I proposed the change was because when I came on to look up some clay stuff I had to search for nearly an hour to find it. >.< Actually, all I found was that what I was looking for was not there. -_-' I was just trying to look up a type of kiln. *sighs* It took me an hour to just find that ceramic art is mostly listed under "pottery". (I do ceramic art, but it's not pottery; by which I mean its not usable at all and not really that related to the traditional craft, unless you desire to poison yourself and cut your lips all at the same time. ;) ) I understand terms being different, which is why I used the broadest possible terms (I could think of) in my suggestion.

I have to ask, why emphasise being BOLD in my views? Frost Indri 01:26, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry you weren't able to find what you needed. The indexing/retrieval set up is very awkward. I've managed to add a few things to the clay/ceramics group of articles since I've been here, but the subject is not very well covered yet. (Wikipedia is frequented, by my guess, by a large percentage of techies and people interested in popular culture. So the articles tend to swing that way at present.) Most of the original clay related articles seemed to have a British slant. I'm a traditional potter and teacher, with a strong background in clay/ceramic history, so my work here leans in that direction. If you have topics you would like to cover, particularly if your work is more "modern", please feel free to start new articles. (That's part of the "be BOLD" idea. It's a Wiki phrase to encourage people to jump in and contribute! You'll find it all over the site talk and policy/procedure pages.)

The relatively low number of existing articles is one reason I've been thinking about reoganizing and defining clay terms. Perhaps we should create a separate working "page", tied to an existing article, to jointly develop a workable tree. There seems to be one or two other clay people on site -- including one archaeologist -- as well as the erratic presence of the Korean contributors. Ceramics is pretty science oriented and Pottery has a technique and history slant. Which of the two articles would you prefer, or do you have another idea? Look forward to working with you. WBardwin 02:16, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I would say that Technique and History are seperate articles. Yes, technique would be referenced a lot in history, but one could go on hours and hours about different building processes, and not even talk about the human history. Conversly, one can go on hours without really talking about techniques. Frost Indri 28 June 2005 19:06 (UTC)

Got your hands covered in clay? FYI - User:Sparkit is reorganizing art related articles and touched on Pottery. We had a brief discussion (see our talk pages). Under that reorganization, clay/ceramics/pottery would end up in the category Art:Mediums. OK with you. Take a look, please. WBardwin 22:06, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Actually, yes, I did. And I was sick. :p

As for being unter Mediums in art, that would make sense. However, I'm wonering about the section on Ceramics in general, which does take its own section? How does that work? I'm going to go ahead and respond to your reply in the pottery section, but I know it's not going to be very accurate.

You know, I've just realized how much I don't understand the organazation system here. I mean, since everything's by links... is there an index anywhere?Frost Indri 28 June 2005 19:02 (UTC)

Yes, there is an index. It is most accessable from the Main Page -- where you can use an alphabetic listing. There is also a link to Other Schemes -- which shows category listings and other organizing methods. My biggest gripe is that the convention sorts by the first letter in the article's title. That becomes a problem with all the obscure biographies I have been writing (mostly 19th century) as the index sorts them by their first name, not the surname. It also causes problems if people are better known by their middle name. As I said, the system has awkward aspects. Looked over your pottery contribution ---- am thinking. So many aspects to our favorite vice! WBardwin 29 June 2005 01:07 (UTC)

[edit] Be Bold!

Here is a link to the "be BOLD" page, to further answer your question. It was good for me to look it up, as I had never bothered to read it myself. I promise I won't mess up your talk page for awhile. Peace. WBardwin 30 June 2005 01:05 (UTC).

[edit] Uploading pictures

^{For the start of this conversation see my talk page}
Hi, you where asking how to upload pictures. The uploading part is easy enough. If you use the default skin there is a toolbox just below the search box on the left hand menu (note: you have to be logged in with your registered acount to make the upload option appear.). One of the links listed there should be "Upload file". The trick is to find the "right" picture and edit it to fit in the article (crop and resize mostly). For "fair use" copyrighted material like this (yes I know Kern said it was ok to use Drowtales art on the Wikipedia [to ilustrate characters, places and such], but I doubht he meant "go ahead and upload the entire archive" :P), the image is not supposed to be bigger than it appear in the article. True you can set the size you want in the wikicode, but it seems to be a matter of policy, if all you need is a 100x100 picture of something under copyright in the article, then make the image actualy 100x100 before uploading it. For free lisence stuff it's ok to have a high res version so people can click on the thumbnail in the article to see the "full" picture in all it's glory though (hmm, that reminds me I should go back and upload resized versions of some of the early stuff I uploaded to Farscape related articles). Finding a "good" filename is also recomended. For example the Ariel picture in the Drowtales article is just called Image:Ariel-new.jpg, which is fairly ambigous even with the "new" prefix (no offence to the person who uploaded it). Next trick is to "tag" the picture apropriately depending on the lisence, read Wikipedia:Image copyright tags, personaly I've been using the {{web-screenshot}} tag for Drowtales stuff as it seems the most apropriate, but read the policy parts anyway. You are also supposed to "describe" where it came from and what has been done with it and such, see Image:Syphile Val'Sarghress.png for an example of what I did (hopefully I did right, copyrights and lisences are a fairly complex issue. Actualy looking over the policies again you are also urged to rationalise why the picture is apropriate in the context you intend to use it (if it's "fair use" material), another reason for me to go back over my previous uploads I guess). As for how to put them into articles, just look at exsisting examples and read Wikipedia:Extended image syntax. --Sherool 1 July 2005 08:34 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging Image:Drowtales-Ne'Kalsaider-drider.jpg

This image may be deleted.

Thanks for uploading Image:Drowtales-Ne'Kalsaider-drider.jpg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the image also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture then you can use {{GFDL}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the image qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{fairusein|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of image pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. CLW 18:26, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging Image:Drowtales-GrayandDark.jpg

This image may be deleted.

Thanks for uploading Image:Drowtales-GrayandDark.jpg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the image also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture then you can use {{GFDL}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the image qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{fairusein|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of image pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. CLW 18:28, 18 January 2006 (UTC)