Friday Night, Saturday Morning
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Friday Night, Saturday Morning was a BBC2 chat show, with a revolving guest host that ran from 28 September 1979 to 2 April 1982. It is most notable for being the only television show that has been hosted by a British Prime Minister and also for an argument about the blasphemy claims surrounding the movie Monty Python's Life of Brian.
The show was the idea of Iain Johnstone and Will Wyatt who insisted on a changing presenter every fortnight. [1] Another innovation was that the presenters chose the guests they were to interview. [2]
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[edit] Harold Wilson
The editions of 12 October and 19 October 1979 made history as they were the first television shows ever hosted by a former or sitting Prime Minister. Harold Wilson had resigned as PM three years earlier, and always an articulate, earthy and above all, media savvy personality, it seemed a promising idea to get him to host his own talk show.
Sadly, this experiment is seen as a failure now. Wilson was at a loss, often leaving embarrassing gaps while he tried to think of a question to ask his guests, like Pat Phoenix and Harry Secombe. In 2000 it was voted in the '100 TV Moments from Hell' by Channel 4.
Producer Iain Johnstone later put his poor performance down to memory loss. [3] Also that it may have been the first signs of Wilson's later alzheimers. [4]
[edit] Life of Brian
On the edition from the 9 November 1979, hosted by Tim Rice, a discussion was held about the then new movie Monty Python's Life of Brian. The film had been banned by many local councils and caused protests throughout the world with accusations that it was blasphemous. To argue in favour of this accusation were broadcaster and noted christian Malcolm Muggeridge and Arthur Mervyn Stockwood (the Bishop of Southwark). In its defence, two members of Monty Python, John Cleese and Michael Palin.
According to 'Monty Python - The Case Against' by Robert Hewison the show "began affably enough, with Cleese and Palin talking on their own to their host, Tim Rice - himself the lyricist of Jesus Christ Superstar," (which itself had been accused of blasphemy a decade before). Hewison continues "but while a second clip from the film was being shown, Stockwood and Muggeridge came on to the set. The full effect of the entry of the Bishop in his sweeping purple cassock and chunky cross was missed by the television audience, who found him already seated beside a bronzed and gleaming Malcolm Muggeridge when the film excerpt ended. Tim Rice explained that Stockwood and Muggeridge had seen the film earlier in the day and invited their comments. With that, the gloves were off".
The debate was heated from the start when Muggeridge begun with:
Muggeridge: I came on this programme, before seeing the film, to say that it was morally without merit and undeniably reprehensible.
Palin: Yes, you started with an open mind, I admire that. [5]
The Pythons seemed shocked by the aggression of the attack, especially as all four had met before the show, and their seemed no hint as to what was to come.
The Bishop made the point that without Jesus this film couldn't exist, and ignored The Pythons protestations that the film was about the abuse of faith, not faith itself.
Michael Palin noted of The Bishop in his diaries "he began, with notes carefully hidden in his crotch, tucked down well out of camera range, to give a short sermon, addressed not to John or myself but to the audience. In the first three or four minutes he had brought in Ceauşescu and Mao Tse-tung and not begun to make one point about the film. Then he began to turn to the movie. He accused us of making a mockery of the work of Mother Teresa, of being undergraduate and mentally unstable. He made these remarks with all the smug and patronising paraphernalia of the gallery-player, who believes that the audience will see he is right, because he is a bishop and we're not."
Muggeridge complained at the ease of which the Pythons "were able to extract humour from the most solemn of mysteries". He said he was upset that this film was to him, denigrating the one man responsible for all art ever invented. Cleese was keen to point out that there were other religions, and that civilisation existed before Christ. Michael Palin says of this incident in the book The Pythons edited by Bob McCabe, that when Muggeridge said "that Christianity had been responsible for more good in the world than any other force in history", John said 'what about the Spanish Inquisition?'"
The studio appear to be on the side of the Pythons throughout, especially when Cleese says
Cleese: Three hundred years ago, if we'd said what we are saying in this film, we would have been burnt at the stake. Now, I'm suggesting that we've made some kind of an advance.
In fact at some points, The Pythons tried to control the audience who they felt were showing too much partisanship in their favour.
Cleese, in defence of the film goes on to say that it was about "closed systems of thought, whether they are political or theological or religious or whatever: systems by which whatever evidence is given to a person, he merely adapts it, fits it into his ideology".
As the debate went on, The Pythons found it harder to be polite, especially as their opponents would barely let them get a word in. According to Palin, the bishop was "outrageously dismissing any points we made as 'rubbish' or 'unworthy of an educated man'."
Stockwood was particularly upset at the use of the crucifixion, forgetting the distinction between it as Christian symbol and its use as a traditional Roman punishment. The debate ended with the Bishop pointing at the Pythons and saying "you'll get your thirty pieces of silver".
Cleese has frequently said that he enjoyed the debate, since he felt that the film was 'completely intellectually defensible'.
Palin told McCabe "It turned out, after the show, that they'd missed the first fifteen minutes of the film, they'd been having a nice lunch. John was brilliant in that show. I remember it used to be Douglas Adams's favourite bit of television... He thought is was such a rivetting piece of TV, and it really is." Palin also claimed that after the discussion that both his foes said "how pathetic, hopeless and meaningless and juvenile it was, instead of there being any sort of division between us afterwards, they came up as though we'd all been 'showbiz' together, out doing an entertainment, with the bishop saying 'That all seemed to go very well'. I hadn't realised they weren't being vindicitve, they were just performing to the crowd."
Also backstage, according to Palin, he'd met Raymond Johnston from The Festival of Light, a prominent Christian group who had been campaigning to have Life of Brian banned.[6] Instead of aggression though, Johnston was most complimentary to Palin, saying he had been embarrassed by the performance of the bishop. Palin says "he had found it quite clear that Brian and Jesus were separate people", and that the film was making some "very valid points about organised religions."
Looking back, Michael Palin recalled in The Guardian that "We had done our homework, thinking we were going to get into quite a tough theological argument, but it turned out to be virtually a slanging match. We were very surprised by that. I don't get angry very often, but I got incandescent with rage at their attitude and the smugness of it." Cleese preferred to sum it all up by saying "I always felt we won that one by behaving better than the Christians." [7]
[edit] General Synod's Life of Christ
Following this debate, a parody of this discussion appeared on the satirical comedy show Not The Nine O'Clock News. Chaired by Pamela Stephenson (who would later guest on the real show), it involved a Bishop defending his new film "General Synod's Life of Christ", which is accused of being "a thinly disguised and blasphemous attack on the members of Monty Python. Men who are today, still revered throughout the western world." .
[edit] Episode Guide
There were 64 editions broadcast over five series. [8]
[edit] Series One
28/9/79 - Ned Sherrin - Christopher Reeve, Willie Rushton, John Wells, Arianna Stassinopoulis, Alan Coren, David Halverstone and Linda Lewis.
5/10/79 - Ned Sherrin - Willie Rushton, John Wells, Arianna Stassinopoulis, Emma Soames, Gerard Kenny, Ian Page, Jimmy Pursey, Antonia Fraser.
12/10/79 - Harold Wilson - Harry Secombe, Pat Phoenix, Tony Benn, Freddie Trueman and Sponooch.
19/10/79 - Harold Wilson - Mike Yarwood, Robin Day, Winston Churchill, Mary Wilson, Dean Friedman.
26/10/79 - Alan Brian - Russell Davies, Harold Evans, Sponooch, Jilly Cooper, Prof Peter Townsend, Lord Melchett, Peter York, Lynda Hayes, Will Elsworth-Jones, and Jeremy Child, Norman Bird, Ronnie Brody in a sketch.
2/11/79 - Tim Rice - Tom Stoppard, Bob Willis, George Martin, Elaine Paige and The Searchers.
9/11/79 - Tim Rice - John Cleese, Michael Palin, Malcolm Muggeridge, Arthur Mervyn Stockwood (the Bishop of Southwark), Norris McWhirter, Paul Jones and The Blues Band.
16/11/79 - Cambridge Footlights - Martin Bergman, Hugh Laurie, Robert Bathurst, Emma Thompson, Peter Cook.
7/12/79 - William Rushton - Barry Cryer, Peter Glaze, Seid Saeid, Sponooch, Andy Williams, The Alberts.
14/12/79 - Jackie Stewart - Henry Cooper, James Hunt, Eddie Kidd, Barry Humphries as Dame Edna, Sponooch.
21/12/79 - Ned Sherrin - Geoff Greenfield, Arianna Stassinopoulos, John Wells, William Rushton, Andrew Boyle, John Bird, Sponooch, Paul Jones and The Blues Band.
[edit] Series Two
18/1/80 - Ned Sherrin - Timothy West, Denis Follows, James Wellbeloved, David Bedford, Richard Ingrams, John Wells, Russell Davies, Jonathan King, John Bird, Aimi Stewart.
25/1/80 - Ned Sherrin - Terry Jones, Marti Webb, Andrew Lloyd-Webber, Peter Nichols, John Wells, Peter McKay, Richard Boston.
1/2/80 - Ned Sherrin - Meryl Streep, Paul Goodman, Oan Russell, Barbara Woodhouse, John Wells, Richard Ingrams, Paul Callen, Stan McMurtry.
8/2/80 - Ned Sherrin - John Mortimer, Audrey Whitting, Patrick Montague-Smith, Leslee Carling, John Wells, George Melly, Nigel Dempster, Simon Hoggart.
15/2/80 - Ned Sherrin - Wayne Sleep, Gerard Kenny, Auberon Waugh, Prof Sir Alfred Sayer, John Wells, Hugh Sykes, Valerie Grove.
22/2/80 - Ned Sherrin - Quentin Crisp, Arianna and Agape Stassinopoulos, Corky Hale, Nigel Williams, Germaine Greer, John Wells.
29/2/80 - Tim Rice - Mike Brearley, Rick Wakeman, John Lill, Pamela Stephenson, Joseph Wambaugh.
7/3/80 - Jane Walmsley - Zandra Rhodes, Terry Gilliam, Hazel O'Connor, Esther Samson, Anthony Shrimsley.
14/3/80 - Tim Rice - Mike Batt, Tom Conti, Tina Brown, David Essex, Colin Blunstone.
21/3/80 - Terry Wogan - Larry Hagman, John Wells, Frank Hall
26/9/80 - Tim Rice - Michael Parkinson, Dickie Bird, Dave Edmunds and Carlene Carter, Nick Lowe, Peter Lush, Marvyn Hamlisch.
3/10/80 - Desmond Morris - Andrea Newman, Gerard Kenny, Lynn Barber, Graham Dangerfield, Prof Randolph Quirk, Betty Fitzpatrick.
10/10/80 - Tim Rice - Christopher Matthews, Helene Hanff, The Hollies, Allan Clarke, and David Bowie from Broadway.
17/10/80 - NO DETAILS.
24/10/80 - Clive Jenkins - Peter Corey, Saul Reichlin, Alan Simpson, Karolina Larusdottir, Neil Kinnock, Peregrine Worsthorne, Sioned Williams, Marion Montgomery.
31/10/80 - Jane Walmsley - Elizabeth St George, Lois Bourne, Esther Rantzen, The Flatbuckers, Ian Dury, Bob Worchester, Bonnie Angelo, Rik Mayall.
7/11/80 - NO DETAILS.
14/11/80 - Martin Bergman - Emma Thompson, Hugh Laurie, Robert Bathurst, Rory McGrath, John Bardon.
21/11/80 - Simon Hoggart - Roy Hattersley, Peter Marsh, Tom Bussman, Trudi Pacter, Stewart Sanderson, Lynda Hayes.
28/11/80 - Toyah - Vivian Stanshall, Christopher Biggins, Steve Strange, Derek Jarman.
5/12/80 - Laurie Taylor - Viv Nicholson, Tom O'Connor, Anthony Clare, James Fox, Lindsey Moore, Fay Weldon, Harriet Harman.
12/12/80 - Ned Sherrin - Sheena Easton, Norman St John-Stevas, Lord Longford, Lord George Brown, John Wells, William Rushton, Rob Buckman, Nigel Dempster.
19/12/80 - Ned Sherrin - Dai Llewellyn, Frederick Forsyth, David Puttnam, John Boulting, Christopher Walken, Beartice Reading, John Wells, William Rushton, Mike Harding.
[edit] Series three
30/1/81 - Jane Walmsley - Felicity Kendall, Harry Chapin, Fania Fenelon, Derek Jameson, Nigel Dempster, Susan Isaacs, 20th Century Coyote.
6/2/81 - Claire Francis - Hammond Innes, Ken Follett, Beryl Reid, Dr. Richard Mackarness, Baby Grand, Julie Walters, Jim Parker.
13/2/81 - Simon Hoggart - Kiri Te Kanawa, Barry Took, Kenneth Williams, Malcolm Bradbury, Dr Keith Stolls, Rio and the Robots.
20/2/81 - Robert Lacey - Prince Abdullah Al- Saud, Barbara Cartland, Aboud Abdel-Ali and Orchestra, Hula Al-Rasheed, Fatima Shaker, John Glubb, Peter Whitehead.
27/2/81 - Lorin Maazel - Edward Heath, Alan Coren, Ellen Burstyn, Doreen Wells, Edward Fox.
6/3/81 - Geoffrey Robertson - Jill Craigie, Lesley Anne-Down, Clive James. Peter Hain, Lynda Hayes, 20th Century Coyote.
13/3/81 - Anouska Hempel - Gloria Swanson, Sissy Spacek, David Hicks, Terence Conran, Richard Rogers, Candida Lycett-Green, Leslee Carling.
20/3/81 - Tim Rice - Richard Jenner-Fust, Jane Darling, Bill Drysdale, Petra Siniawski, Shirley Williams, Hank B. Marvin, Richard Huggett, Dr Anne Smith.
27/3/81 - Michael Wood - Sid Waddell, Sylvia Kristel, Baron Brockway, Denis Law, Hank Wangford, Peter Sykes.
3/4/81 - Barry Norman - Terry Waite, Philip Edmunds, Pamela Stephenson, Kit Hain.
[edit] Series Four
6/11/81 - Terry Jones - Richard Mabey, Colin McCabe, Helen Mirren, Bernard Williams, Rosalie Bertell, Elkie Brooks, The National Theatre of Brent.
13/11/81 - Tim Rice - Julian Lloyd Webber, Bill Hartson, David Steel, Tracey Ullman, Geoffrey Burgon, Adam Ant.
20/11/81 - Desmond Morris - Freddie Hancock, David Cockcroft, Lucy Colbeck, Kit Williams, Rod Argent, Kit Hain, Ian Greaves, Kate Bush, Susanna Kubelka, Bettine le Beau, Dr Robert Burchfield and The Outer Limits.
27/11/81 - Maria Aitken - Edward Hibbert, Anthony Andrews, Jonathan Lynn, Rob Buckman, Ian Hall.
4/12/81 - Derek Jameson - Johnny Speight, Russell Harty, Su Arnold, Sue Wilkinson and Stiff All Stars.
11/12/81 - Geoffrey Robertson - Robyn Archer, Lord Colville, Jan Kavan, Jessica Mitford, Jill Tweedie, Christopher Logue, Denise Coffey, Phillip Hodson.
18/12/81 - Jane Walmsley - Maureen Lipman, Jonathan King, Malcolm McClaren, D.M. Thomas, Kevin Mulhern, Russell Davies, Sue Wilkinson and Steve Caudal.
[edit] Series Five
8/1/82 - Tim Rice - Selina Scott, Kevin Godley and Lol Creme, Michel Roux, Sonia Stevenson, Richard Shepherd.
15/1/82 - Jane Walmsley - Germaine Greer, Ken Livingstone, Auberon Waugh, Nigel Dempster, Roger Rees, Streetwalker.
22/1/82 - B.A. Robertson - Tommy Docherty, The Associates, Gillian Gregory, Phil Oakey, Ruth Herring, Mike Read.
29/1/82 - Clare Francis - Tristran Jones, Robert Palmer, The Outer Limits, Roger Royle, Des Wilson, Elspeth Grey.
5/2/82 - Laurie Taylor - Trevor Griffiths, Nell Dunn, Juice on the Loose, Ron Kavana, French and Saunders, Ray Gosling, Beryl Bainbridge.
12/2/82 - Frank Delaney - Sian Phillips, Anthony Burgess, Paul Theroux, Robert McCrum, Gillie McPherson.
19/2/82 - Germaine Greer - Mary Whitehouse, David Sullivan, Noel Dilly, Viviene Ventura, Graham Chapman, The Stranglers.
26/2/82 - Brian Glover - Peter Marsh, Molly Parkin, Elaine Loudon, Frank Keating, Oasis (No not them!!)
5/3/82 - Frank Delaney - Penny Junor, Nigel Nicolson, Hugh Montgomery-Massinbird, J.T.Edson, Victoria Glendinning, Gillie McPherson.
12/3/82 - Michael Wood - Tariq Ali, Richard Clutterbuck, Christopher Hill, Tom Nairn.
19/3/82 - Diana Quick - Jane Gibson, Merry Conway, Jay Gearye, Victoria Wood, The Great Soprendo, Bill Campbell, Jacko Fossett, Colin Harper, Sarah Mortimer.
26/3/82 - Alexander Chancellor - Jeffrey Bernard, Taki, Carlos Bonell, Jo Grimond, April Ashley, Harriet Waugh.
2/4/82 - Jane Walmsley - Buzz, Julian Barnes, Jocelyn Stevens, David Puttnam, Colin Welland, David Soul, John McVicar, Gareth Hunt, Jeremy Nichols, Terry Walsh, Allen Whalley.
