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[edit] Talk below - below all other comments

[edit] Wikidata

I was wondering whether you noticed my message on your user page:

   
User talk:Fresheneesz
 I can provide a site like Wikipedia (based on mediawiki) for you to pursue this idea, if you're willing to do management and so on (I'll give you sysop, ftp and shell access). Just let me know on my talk page. I think, though, that Mathematical data should be accepted as well. --nkayesmith 08:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
   
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--nkayesmith 22:42, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Just confirming that you are watching my user page. --nkayesmith 01:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia does include unproven hypotheses where they are important (i.e. widely discussed in the literature). Cold fusion is an example. Theories propounded only by a very small number of people are not covered because we only have one side of the story - until the theory has been peer-reviewed and tested, we can't write about it in neutral terms. You can see what I mean at the Aetherometry AfD. In that case we werre the leading source of rebuttal to the crank theory on the Internet, we had a substantial and extremely well-researched article on the theory and its rebuttal, but in the end none of it had ever been peer-reviewed or published in a reputable journal, because the journals would not touch the theory itself, no peer-reviewer would pass it for publication. There is, I think, no significant dissent form the idea that promulgating one-man theories is not the job of an encyclopaedia, and is covered by WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NPOV, WP:NOR and WP:NOT (a soapbox).
As to publishing original data - I think that is also entering into the territory of original research. Encyclopaedias are tertiary sources, based on analysis of secondary sources and to a lesser extent primary sources. Raw data is a primary source. We need it to have been mulled over and analysed by subject experts, and for them to have established a view or series of views, before we can cover it in line with policy. If you want to change the policy, you will be changing the entire nature of the project, in a way which is likely to be strongly resisted. Other projects exist where primary sources are analysed directly, I found a science wiki a while back which does that although I can't remember the name of it. Wikisource also hosts public domain primary sources. So: not a bad idea, but not one for this project, I think. Guy 08:28, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely, JzG - I'm not talking about changing Wikipedia. Fresheneesz, did you see my message on my talk page? It has been a while... --nkayesmith 10:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Do you know of anyone who'd be interested? --nkayesmith 09:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removing personal attacks or other potential offenses

Hi, I just noticed that you didn't like when Radiant replaced someones inflammatory comment after someone else removed it. I just wanted to add my say in, because this has been an issue before on talk pages i've been on. While personal attacks are to be avoided, I find that removing them increases the problem rather than abating it. Especially when people are discussing the problem at hand, things get very confusing when comments that one person talks about magically disappear. Outsiders wonder whos lying, or if they're lying, or what the hell's going on.

So for me, removing any comment is bad, and should simply never happen. Insensitive comments like "shut the fuck up" are history of someones character, and help others judge how to respond to that user. Anyways, that just my opinion - I always replace comments that I notice have been deleted. Fresheneesz 01:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Fresheneesz,
Thanks for your comments. I really do appreciate them. I don't agree that personal attacks should left on Wikipedia talk pages, as they are still visible in the edit history. A personal attack like "shut the fuck up" isn't going to help defuse the situation, nor does it offer any sort of positive alternative: for me, it's really just a form of vandalism. And a comment that contains little except personal attacks just has no reason to be made in the first place. You certainly raise valid points about people wondering what was said, etc. I will definitely consider what you say, as my editing should reflect the consensus of the community. Anyway, thanks for nice note on my talk page. Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester 01:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Wikipedia exists to write Great Articles not great policy

Hello Fresheneesz :-) You have two traits that should be great assets to Wikipedia, Boldness and Enthusiasm. IMO, currently you are using them in ways that are disruptive and hurt Wikipedia. Insisting on high intensity debates about our established ways of doing things does not help Wikipedia make great articles. Debating policy in the mistaken attempt to force policy changes does not make great articles. Using uncivil language and making personal attacks and threats towards other editors does not help make great articles. Please refocus your time here on endeavors that make great articles. Contact me on my talk page to discuss ways you can use your Boldness and Enthusiasm to make great articles. Take care, FloNight 21:04, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:NPA

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. - specifically, your remarks against Doc Glasgow are inappropriate. >Radiant< 23:59, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

My comments were 100% appropriate Radiant. His removal and mutilation of my post on a talk page is vandalism, and I won't stand for it. Your campaign against good faith edits is not something I will stand for either. Fresheneesz 00:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
It is ironic that in response to a warning about personal attacks, you make more personal attacks. You should familiarize yourself with WP:NPA, WP:CIV and WP:ETIQ before continuing your edits. >Radiant< 00:35, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Fresheneesz please rethink your manner of communicating your thoughts to other users. I really do not want to put it this strongly but must so you have a clear understanding of how you are not following policy against incivility and personal attacks. Consider this a warning and if you make another personal attack or highly uncivil remark you will be blocked from editing. These remarks are not acceptable. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]. --FloNight 00:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
You obviously don't understand what a personal attack is. Heres some examples:
"you are so stupid, you shouldn't even be on wikipedia"
"how does such an arrogant ass become an administrator?"
"Kiss my ass, bitch"
"You are a vandal"
"You are a troll"
"I will vandalize your user page if you don't stay away from me"
Please notice that none of the comments of mine you cited fit the form of any of the above examples. My comments are not personal attacks according to the page no personal attacks. When I say something like "your edit is vandalism" thats not a personal attack. If I say "you are a vandal" or "this person here is a vandal" then it is.
Please stop harassing me. Fresheneesz 00:57, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Fresheneesz My warning made it clear that your remarks are not acceptable. Wikilawyering about which remark is a personal attack versus a highly uncivil remark is not the way to go. Instead engage in calm friendly discussion and you will not have a problem. If you can not do that then you need to take a break and come back when you can. Again, I'm not looking to block you but see your remarks become consistently civil. --FloNight 01:31, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I do notice that your comments are civil, and I appreciate that. Please also note that my comments are equally civil. I'm not wikilawyering, but I am telling you that I disagree with you that my comments are personal attacks, and I gave examples and a citation to back me up. I am trying very hard to be civil, but I feel like i'm being attacked. Fresheneesz 01:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for being civil. :-) Civil is good! This really isn't that hard to understand but you've gotten yourself in war mode. When several experienced users tell you that your remarks are a problem you should listen. It would be a good idea to stop making edits related to policy for now and stop commenting on other users. You are not going to accomplish anything good and put yourself at risk for lots of trouble, okay. FloNight 02:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Note on top of Arbitration

I've noticed that you've been adding a hat note on top of the Arbitration article. This is not the best course of action, since we really don't need to advertise our committee on that page, plus I don't think people go to the Arbitration article looking for our ArbCom. Please take a look at WP:ASR for more details. —this is messedrocker (talk) 00:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About the case..

I just glanced at the arbcom case you requested. I haven't formed full opinions yet on some of these matters, but, I have a couple immediate observations: 1) you talk about undue weight and POV pushing, but those concerns apply to article space, not project space. Any editor can and should make their opinions heard, in project space, when those opinions concern what they think is best for the project. This is exactly what article(sorry typo) project space is for. 2) I'd guess this case is unlikely to be accepted. If you really feel you must persue dispute resolution, I'd suggest an RFC before on RFAr on this issue. Friday (talk) 05:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please do not spam user talk pages advertising an arbcom case

The header says it all. If you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing. Have a good day -- Tawker 07:09, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what ads he put up, but the one he put on my talk page wasn't spam, but I'm actually a little involved. Where do you draw the line between spam and notification? (I'm not saying he hasn't crossed that line)-- Chris chat edits essays 14:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd be interested to know if anyone actually complained. I've been watching this story unfold for some time, and was already aware a RfC was in the offing. Stephen B Streater 18:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't remove anything. In short, mass posting of a message on user talk pages without an opt-in is considered spam (at least around these parts) - often people get ticked off and hence, it's policy (it's somewhere on the books) - No worries, I just thought I'd give you the heads up -- Tawker 18:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

In short a page where people say "I want to recieve messages regarding xyz" - people have to add themselves to a list -- Tawker 18:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Pretty much, you don't. If they're interested enough to comment they'll do it themselves. If one advertises it to other users it can be seen as encouraging support one way or another and in terms of consensus building it's not a good thing - thats pretty much why we don't advertise stuff. -- Tawker 21:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moved Talk archive

I've moved your archive to a subpage of your talk page, so that it's a part of your user talk page instead of the mythical User:Fresheneesz(archive)'s. -- Chris chat edits essays 13:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Fresheneesz 18:20, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clerk

Hello Fresheneesz :-) Want to let you know that I work as a clerk for the arbitration committee. Since I made comments on AN/I and your talk page as an administrator I will not be doing any clerking for the RFAr that you started. Any editing that I do (if any) on this case will be the same as a regular administrator. Take care, FloNight 16:25, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notability is subjective?

If you read Uncle G's essay User:Uncle_G/On_notability, you'll see something that might answer part of your concern. We don't judge notability for ourselves- that would be "original research" and would be too subjective. We go by what legitimate sources are saying. (Dunno if this helps at all, but it makes sense to me :-) Friday (talk) 23:33, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notability is a useful term

Notability is a useful term in limiting minor points that can add bias; in limiting marginally verifiable claims that seem verified but because they are so minor it may be no one bothered to correct them; and in restraining Wikipedia's invasion of privacy which is both a legal and moral issue. WAS 4.250 00:14, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grudges against users

It recentlly appeared on WP:PAIN that Radiant felt he was being harassed and attacked by you. I would just like to suggest that instead of holding a grudge against him and talking to other editors about what you don't like about him, that you try a user conduct RFC instead, as holding a grudge is unproductive. Thank you. Cowman109Talk 00:34, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello Fresheneesz :-) I have a suggestion that might help smooth things over a bit between yourself and some other users. It would help a great deal if you focus on content instead of the editor when you make comments on talk pages. Commenting on the editor "puts people on the defensive, closing their minds to other ideas and preventing a consensus from forming" If you look through your edits I think that you will notice that you have a habit of making remarks about Radiant. It is considered uncivil to lace your remarks with a judgmental tone and point out another user's faults during a content discussion on a talk page. Please stop doing this ASAP. Take care, FloNight 01:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ArbCom case

I am of the opinion, and I should put a note like this on my talk page, that people should not come to me trying to get attention, I would have found the case if it was discussed on the relevant talk page, in good time, or if I was actually involved. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I don't really have time for the matter. Cheers, Ansell 10:34, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Straw poll

Hi! Your straw poll seems to have attracted a lot of interest. What have you learned so far? Stephen B Streater 19:35, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why your ArbCom response to Radiant! was moved

The text at the top of the page clearly states "This is not a page for discussion, and Arbitrators or Clerks may summarily remove or refactor discussion without comment." That's why it was moved by somebody else the first time and why I moved it the second time. Follow da Rulez. It helps. --Richard 22:34, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-notability

I've kept away from Wikipedia:Non-notability while it developed, but the straw poll has got me interested. Now I have looked at, it seems to answer some of my concerns by being more reasonable than it has been billed. I will check it in detail when I get the chance. My major concern is that there is a critical mass of editors required to ensure that articles stay good, and this is one of the functions served by the notability idea.

Whereas WP:NOTABILITY is a record of current practice and the policy reasons behind it, Wikipedia:Non-notability seems to be more like constructive advice on how to make use of information in existing non-notable articles. Is this partly right? Stephen B Streater 22:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Non-Notability

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Non-Notability. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Non-Notability/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Non-Notability/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, -- Drini 22:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] dot convention

Please check Dot Convention on Mutual_inductance.png It appears to be incorrect.

[edit] Proposed enforcment

It is the way that the remedy is enforced. Most common way is by blocking a user. I suggest that you read some other arbitration cases. This might help you better understand how to form findings of fact, remedies, etc. FloNight 20:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration procedure

I noticed that you added a proposed remedy to the "Proposed Decision" page in the "non-notability" arbitration. That was a procedural error, because only the arbitrators themselves are allowed to make proposals on that page. I am not connected with the arbitration, but to try to avoid this becoming an issue (I am sure the procedure is confusing), I have removed the proposal before someone got upset by your having put it in that location. However, if you think your suggestion should be considered by the arbitrators, you can post the exact same thing on the "Workshop" page for the arbitration, which anyone (including parties to the case) can edit and the arbitrators can read. I hope this is helpful (and note that I am not endorsing your proposal). Newyorkbrad 05:41, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Patience

Hey, I think you should take Geogre's advice on the arbitration page, and just relax. I think the evidence is strongly in your favor on many points, but if you are too aggressive there you could sway the board against you. I've even seen you use foul language on the talk page - what are you thinking man?!! I do understand that those comments are a result of your extreme frustration at the way this thing has played out, but you can't let that cause you to act in a way that, frankly, only serves to give credibility to their claims about you! Let the process play out, let others present their evidence (several have already presented evidence to support you), and whatever happens, happens. ATren 21:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

I just wanted to thank you for being so resilient and not leaving Wikipedia. I think it's ridiculous how admins constantly harassed you about WP:NNOT, and then when you broke down, said you were incivl and should be blocked for a year. I think that bullshit shouldn't be taken anywhere; admins are not a cabal, and I'm glad that we're in RFAr, where the arbitrators will hopefully sort out Radiant!'s one-sided bullshit from the fact that he wouldn't stop provoking you until you mess up. -- Chris chat edits essays 12:04, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] irrational number

I'm glad someone quickly reverted your edit. You're quite confused. The definition you wrote is NOT taken to be the definition by any mathematician, but it's a surprisingly persistent meme; I don't know why. Michael Hardy 21:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I think part of what you're missing is this: rational number is NOT defined as a number whose decimal expansion, or expansion in some other base, terminates or repeats. That's what I was calling a persistent meme that is not taught in math courses. Michael Hardy 22:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Well if the reals shouldn't be defined like that, that page needs some sort of rearrangment, cause the page sure seems to imply that its the definition. And btw, i'm *not* missing that rational numbers aren't terminating or repeating decimals. I know that, and never said they were.. so.. i don't get why you're coming to that conclusion.. Fresheneesz 23:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, actually they are, but that's not generally taken to be the definition, and for good reasons. But if you're not missing that point, then why did you write that in the edit that I criticized? Michael Hardy 19:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sign bit image

Hi, I just wanted to inform you that I've listed your image Image:Signed bit.PNG for deletion, as the same information is already included in the article two's complement as a table. Hope this is OK. Happy editings, –Mysid(t) 13:55, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] High Impedance

Strictly speaking, high impedance is just an impedance. But in the engineering world, it's used in a lot of different ways. We often say a signal is hi-z, referring not to the actual electric signal, but to a particular pin on an IC, or other connection. For instance, you might say, "XHOLD is a hi-z signal". In this case, XHOLD is actually just a pin on a DSP, but the meaning is understood.

Thanks for taking the time to discuss it with me, and making the article better. I did make one change to your edit: the comment about tri-state as an input to a digital circuit being undefined. The effect of a tri-state on a circuit is perfectly well defined; it does nothing. That's basically they're entire purpose. I guess what you probably meant was that if you have an input signal which expects a high or low, then the behavior will be undefined if you give it hi-z instead. And I guess that's sort of what you said, but I think it needs to be stated more clearly. When I first read it, I got the impression that you were implying that a hi-z anywhere in the circuit would mess it up.

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[edit] 9/11 Denier

It seems you are a 9/11 denier. I would propose that gullible simpletons should not be allowed anywhere near an online encyclopedia. unsigned comment from User:86.131.160.121

[edit] Charles Burlingame article nominated for deletion

Hi. FYI, another editor has nominated the Charles Burlingame article you creaated for deletion. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Burlingame. Personally, I think it's a keep. I though you should know. --A. B. 21:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Wikipedia Notability "Guideline" under significant pressure - please help

I and some others have surprisingly managed to open (widely) the topic of whether the Wikipedia Notability Guideline, the Deletionists' Best Friend, is a valid Wikipedia Guideline at all, on grounds of lack of consensus, lack of objectivity, conflict with Policy, and ramapant abuse in the article deletion processes. This is probably the last chance to have any major impact on this supposed Guideline (it was just a random essay this summer, but turned into a Guideline on shaky grounds while I was on an extended wikibreak...) I'm not you to make trouble, or even support my version of what's wrong with Wikipedia:Notability; just express your concerns rationally. The hot spot is Wikipedia talk:Notability. I know you've been heavily involved in the overall debate (and wish I'd known what was going on this late summer / early fall what with the "failed" marker on NNOT, NN being mis-promoted to guideline, the arbitration (which I intend to weigh in on), etc. Feel free to drop me a Talk page line if I'm ever needed to weigh in on that topic (and wait until you see the gaping holes I've been blowing in pro-WP:NN arguments before deciding >;-) — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 09:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Electron configuration

Hi! I think I've identified you correctly as the person who marked electron configuration with a "context" flag (way back in May '06). I'm new to Wikipedia, and not entirely familiar with established procedure. Anyway, I just updated the lead paragraphs in that article and thought I'd let you know. Or should I just delete the "context" flag myself?

Thanks! DavidCBryant 15:42, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Come ye back!

I've spent literally hundreds of hours on trying to cope with information "entropy" people and the de facto 'owner' of the Entropy article since the first of July. It all appeared to be futile because of their obdurate exclusion of any published info other than their ideas until recently. Now, at last, a skilled professor in physical chemistry Bduke has returned to the Entropy article and may restore some order and sense to what is now a gargantuan creature. Could you please glance at it, lurk, and contribute to the Talk:Entropy discussions? I recall that your viewpoint was rational (!) and helpful :-) Thanks! FrankLambert 18:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Physical constants

Hello again, Fresheneesz!

Say, it's been a long time, but last December you left a couple of unanswered questions on the physical constants discussion page. I just wrote up a fairly long answer ... you can view it over here if you're still interested.

Have a great day! DavidCBryant 17:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] XPLANE deletion review

Fresheneesz, Would you mind weighing in on the deletion review for XPLANE at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2006 November 24? Your comments/opinions are much appreciated.Dgray xplane 15:53, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Non-Notability

This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.

Fresheneesz may be placed on probation if he continues to disrupt policy pages. Such action shall be by a successful motion at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Motions_in_prior_cases by any member of the Arbitration Committee after complaints received from one or more users.

For the Arbitration Committee --Srikeit 03:46, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

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