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[edit] Merhaba

Why smyrnan?Are you located in İzmir? Please watch template projects in wikiproject Turkey. Regards Must^TC 13:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I am from Izmir, though I live in Istanbul. Regards. Free smyrnan 17:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cooperation board launched

A new (and overdue) Greek and Turkish cooperation and notification board has been launched here. Stop by, have a look and sound off! Cheers! Baristarim 07:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks. Looks like it could be useful. Free smyrnan 09:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hey Symrnan! I think you're really cool. I know I sound like a little kid right now, but I really like it when I see someone defending the Ottoman Empire like you do. At lease someone understands... (besides me) -- WiiVolve 04:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Thx. I think both the good and the bad about the OE add up to a really fascinating topic. --Free smyrnan 06:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I really think that the Janissary article deserves these:

The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page.

The examples and perspective in this article or section may not represent a worldwide view of the subject. Please improve this article or discuss the issue on the talk page.

People should really try and stop making every "infidel" (in my point of view) appear like the bad guy all the time.

--WiiVolve 13:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople

Thanks, i am not that much aware of the millet system. but, i had the impression that administrative matters were under the juristriction of the local Ottoman officials, not of the church (e.g. the pashas) and also that legal affairs were under the responsibility of the kadis, cause as the respective article says: qadis traditionally have jurisdiction over all legal matters involving Muslims, and thus, in cases regarding matters between Muslims and Christians. if the Patriarchate had legal juristriction over cases involving strictly only Orthodox Christians, this has to be noted, don't u think? btw, u may be interested in looking at my edit here. any correction and input will be appreciated;-). Regards Hectorian 12:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, this was interesting indeed! The truth is that Tanzimat and events after 1830 are not thoroughly analysed by the greeks books (at least not those at school), perhaps cause there was already a greek state at that time. something i did not understand (not important though), is why the Patriarch is supposed to have said "and may it never come out again"? meaning that it was not good, or meaning that it is good, hoping that no future ferman will replace it? As for the text quoted, i have search myself a bit, and found out that legally, the Patriarch had some juristriction of the christian orthodox faithful, but administration...? I tend more to believe that the Patriarch (at least some of the Ecumenical Patriarchs) had a sort of influence on the sultan and the authorities, rather than he could in fact administer the christian population... There were local governors, appointed by the sultan (and sometimes, as Ali in Giannena, against him), so, how was the Patriarch in charge? I am much aware of places in modern Greece that used to have a degree of autonomy (with the exact meaning of the word) from the central government, during the Ottoman period (e.g. Mani, Souli, Sfakia, Pelion), and that these privilleges did not apply to the other regions. Special laws and provision, i cxan understand, but self-administration, i think it is something that the Christians did not have. Regards;-) Hectorian 10:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, i acknowledge that the Patriarch was involved in the administration of the Christians, though not in the modern sense of the word. but the readers will not understand it, i guess (as i wouldn't either if u had not explained to me and if i had not done some search). i am not going to dispute the sources, of course (since u have not used Kinross in the article, btw). perhaps in a future expand, or after the creation of a separate article on the 'Millet i Rum', the issue will be cleared up. Regards Hectorian 10:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military history

Hey s'up. I had only put in that dead link so that some one could create an article with that name.. That's like a small trick to provoke people into creating articles by pointing them out what is needed :) For the moment I think the link you gave can do the trick since it will be months before that article will be created probably, however it might be a good idea to re-replace it with the Military history of Turkey link again sometime in the future.. Cheers! Baristarim 14:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cantemir

Hi. I did not remove it: I just alphabetized the cat inclusions (I moved it a bit to the top). May I also suggest: when adding categories to articles, please write it as [[Category:People of the Ottoman Empire|Cantemir, Dimitrie]], and not just [[Category:People of the Ottoman Empire]]. Applying the former guideline includes articles in categories under the letter of their family name, as they should be (your version had Cantemir under D for "Dimitrie"). (This brings to mind another issue which you may not be aware of yet: names in brackets, unlike the names of the articles and categories, should never have diacritics - for some reason, wikipedia moves letters with diacritics to the bottom of categories, and you have names beginning with "Gz" coming up before names beginning with "Gă", unless you turn that "ă" into an "a" in the brackets; it does the same for lower case letters in the beginning of words, so make sure you capitalize the letter which arranges the article in the category). Many thanks and happy editing. Dahn 09:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Btw, do you happen to know Cantemir's name in Ottoman Turkish? The page could use it as a variant in the opening sentence. Dahn 14:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you. Dahn 17:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)