Talk:Fresh FM
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[edit] Possibly Ongoing Revert War
NPOV notice put up. Please see History for detailed information. - Mailer diablo 11:40, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Definitely not neutral, in particular the final two paragraphs. NPOV notice added again. Goog 12:26, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Have you listened to the station? Very possibly not. I have and it is a true statement.
It is clear from the history that this page doesn't really have a legitimate dispute going on. Rather, it is being repeatedly targeted by 202.45.121.254, a precocious troll. Also, NPOV doesn't mean we have to tolerate clearly inflammatory rubbish; I'm removing the last two paragraphs. -- FirstPrinciples 12:30, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
I am not a troll. I am providing Wikipedia with a truthful and neutral posint-of-view. I guess socially elitists band together, everywhere around the world. Well, I'm not tolerating *that*.
- Describing someone as an "elitist" is prima facie non-NPOV. -- FirstPrinciples 12:34, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
It can, and it is, NPOV. I am merely stating the facts.
- From NPOV: "The neutral point of view attempts to present ideas and facts in such a fashion that both supporters and opponents can agree... we can only seek a type of writing that is agreeable to essentially rational people who may differ on particular points." Your repeated and uncompromising edits prima facie breach this guideline. -- FirstPrinciples 12:42, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
I have encounted the people behind this station. They would not disagree with my entry. They are social elitists and they wear that badge with honour.
- Do we have any actual evidence that anyone other than our now-blocked friend has criticised the station for being elitist? If not, the last paragraph of the compromise version should probably come out. --195.11.216.59 12:59, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- I'm looking into it. It does seem a pretty unreasonable statement, but our friend was being rather tenacious, so I'm seeing if I can find criticism with Google. -- FirstPrinciples 13:11, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
- Nope, I can't find any criticism of the station along the lines of "elitism" or related words. The claim that "elitism" would be a "badge of honour" to them also seems unrealistic. Perhaps a 24-hour break will help the guy cool down, and then he can engage in some constructive, evidence-based edits. -- FirstPrinciples 13:25, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
I'm just logging off so don't have time now to do anything about it, but I should point out that the whole page is a copyvio from http://www.freshfm.com.au/page.php?pid=about, which might make the whole discussion moot! --195.11.216.59 13:38, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Damn, you're right. In response, I have slightly revised and re-written some of the page content but it probably could do with a more thorough going-over. -- FirstPrinciples 14:26, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
