Talk:Freedom Socialist Party
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[edit] hi there
A comment, (apparantly the first) on the article socialist freedom party. Admittedly this is not any criticism of the article but just questions about it's topic.
I never heard of a freedom socialist party before and was struck down by it's self-contradiction. Sorry for coming off as rude. I should be more welcoming and less obnoxious, for sure. And welcome to Wikipedia.
double think
Socialism and freedom are an impossible combination of events and a prime example of double think.
I collected some definitions from http://dictionary.reference.com/ to show my point.
from [search socialism] 4 entries found for socialism.
so·cial·ism Audio pronunciation of "socialism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ssh-lzm) n.
- 1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
- 2. 'The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.'
socialism
n 1: a political theory advocating state ownership of industry 2: an economic system based on state ownership of capital [syn: socialist economy] [ant: capitalism]
[[1]] in InvestorWords
[[2]] socialism: in CancerWEB's On-line Medical Dictionary
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freedom
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6 entries found for freedom. free·dom Audio pronunciation of "freedom" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (frdm) n.
1. The condition of being free of restraints.
2. Liberty of the person from slavery, detention, or oppression.
3.
1. Political independence.
2. Exemption from the arbitrary exercise of authority in the performance of a specific action; civil liberty: freedom of assembly.
4. Exemption from an unpleasant or onerous condition: freedom from want.
5. The capacity to exercise choice; free will: We have the freedom to do as we please all afternoon.
6. Ease or facility of movement: loose sports clothing, giving the wearer freedom.
7. Frankness or boldness; lack of modesty or reserve: the new freedom in movies and novels.
8.
1. The right to unrestricted use; full access: was given the freedom of their research facilities.
2. The right of enjoying all of the privileges of membership or citizenship: the freedom of the city.
9. A right or the power to engage in certain actions without control or interference: “the seductive freedoms and excesses of the picaresque form” (John W. Aldridge).
[Middle English fredom, from Old English frodm : fro, free; see free + -dm, -dom.]
Synonyms: freedom, liberty, license These nouns refer to the power to act, speak, or think without externally imposed restraints. Freedom is the most general term: “In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free” (Abraham Lincoln). Liberty stresses the power of free choice: “liberty, perfect liberty, to think, feel, do just as one pleases” (William Hazlitt). License sometimes denotes deliberate deviation from normally applicable rules or practices to achieve a desired effect: poetic license. Frequently, though, it denotes undue freedom: “the intolerable license with which the newspapers break... the rules of decorum” (Edmund Burke).
Main Entry: free·dom Function: noun 1 : the quality or state of being free: as a : the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action b : liberation from slavery or restraint or from the power of another c : the quality or state of being exempt or released from something onerous 2 a : a political or civil right b : FRANCHISE 2
Source: Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
freedom
n 1: the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints
2: immunity from an obligation or duty [syn: exemption]
Thanks, Maggiethewolfstar 04:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- I really don't know what the above is intended to demonstrate. That the dictionary doesn't connect the terms? If you have a point here about a "self-contradiction", would you indicate what it is? Otherwise, all I can guess (and sorry if I am extrapolating incorrectly) is that you are so opposed to socialism that you consider it inherently inimical to freedom. If so, this is a political stance, not an argument, and to contradict your politics is not necessarily to contradict oneself. - Jmabel | Talk 03:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] UW resource
The UW collection linked here looks like a fascinating resource, but I don't offhand see any FSP posters in it. What is its relevance to this topic? - Jmabel | Talk 21:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I thought the same thing. I think, though, the connection is that the FSP was formed during the sixties and the political situation in Seattle at the time is relevant. The UW link was added to the Radical Women article, and there are some Radical Women flyers in it. Considering the closeness of the connection between Radical Women and FSP, I think maybe the UW link is reasonable. Doctormatt 23:03, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Jmabel, Thanks for your kind note and suggestion. I linked to this particular collection because in addition to the item titled "Better Fewer But Better" by the FSP, there seemed to be several other connections: Radical Women (as noted by Doctormatt), Clara Fraser, and SWP's activities in Seattle. In general, I thought some of these materials might provide some background on FSP's formation. --UWDI ced 23:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
- Could you please add to the description of the external link in the article, explaining what materials in the archive are relevant, and (if possible) directly linking these individual items? Because in two minutes with the link, I couldn't work out the relevance, and that's about all the time much anyone gives to casually following up a link. - Jmabel | Talk 21:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
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- I think you're correct. I will remove the link -- this resource can be discovered via other pages with more direct connections. Thanks for your help!--UWDI ced 20:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Front groups"
Someone removed the claims that two organizations affiliated with the FSP are widely considered front groups. I think the statement is accurate, but probably should not be there without citation. I'm not reverting at this time, but if someone has decently cited statements to the effect that UFAF and Radical Women have been considered front groups, I believe that would belong in the article. - Jmabel | Talk 03:13, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fact tag
I see that the following has a "fact" tag:
The United Front Against Fascism (UFAF)—founded by the FSP, but also including a broad coalition of the Left, the queer community, labor unionists, feminists, people of color, Jews, and civil libertarians—took the lead in mobilizing against neo-Nazis in the Pacific Northwest.
As a Seattleite, and not by any means an FSPer, I'd say it's on the mark, but may prove hard to document, especially if (reasonably enough) we don't consider the party's own paper a reliable source on the matter. The following three links from the University of Washington Daily may be somewhat helpful—[3] [4] [5]—but, really, if someone wants to get this solidly documented they are probably going to have to go back to stories before the Web era, so this won't likely be online anywhere. UFAF began in 1988 to protest/disrupt a neo-Nazi gathering Whidbey Island, commemorating the 1984 death of white supremacist Robert Matthews. More mainstream groups like the ADL were planning to just ignore them. The FSP decided that a bunch of neo-Nazis from around the U.S. converging virtually within a stone's throw of Seattle (and many of them passing through on the way there—I'll certainly never forget the four cleancut Aryan Youth types in armbands who wandered into my favorite U. District coffeehouse on their way to the gathering) should not be allowed to have their memorial in peace. I'd imagine that someone with access to Seattle papers from '88 could find a pretty decent story on this. And if someone has access to back issues of the Whidbey News Times or South Whidbey Record (I think they both go back that far) there might well be some good local reporting on this.
Alternatively, someone might want to contact the FSP and ask if they have outside sources we could cite on this. I imagine that they keep something like a clippings file. They seem to do a pretty deliberate job of maintaining archives on their own party history, I've seen the occasional rather good retrospective article in their party paper. - Jmabel | Talk 06:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Freeway Hall
I've added a picture of the former Freeway Hall, which was FSP headquarters in the 1970s and early 1980s. I'll try to get a picture sometime of New Freeway Hall (in Columbia City, Seattle, Washington). Does anyone know the exact dates when Freeway Hall was the HQ? - Jmabel | Talk 08:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
