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[edit] Nightmare Series Dates
Many of the dates/events for the Nightmare series are not correct and are working from the fanfic timeline @ anightmareonelmstreet.net. There are too many unknown dates associated with this series, general date listings would work better - as it's inappropriate to just "make up" dates. Please site official sources for any dates listed. Ucantnot 00:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I have added the correct (known) Nigthmare dates with events. Also, I added approx dates and events, with reasoning listed under References.Ucantnot 03:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Timeline Decrepencies
I noticed one flaw in this timeline. It shows that the events of "Jason Goes to Hell" happened in 1994, and the events of "Freddy's Dead" happened in 1999 (which I guess makes sense, since the opening of "Freddy's Dead" established that this was happening a few years in the future). However, if this is the correct order in which these things happened, then how/why was Freddy's hand able to grab Jason's mask and take it down to Hell at the end of "Jason Goes to Hell"? Freddy would not have been in Hell at that point.
Jaclyn jaclyn3@adelphia.net 15:07, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Re: "Although credit is given to the writers of the film for their efforts, the two universes are presented in too different a manner from previous depictions."
in a certain timeline jason goes to hell events takes place in then near future of 1999/2000 just like freddy's death events wich makes sense.
[edit] Freddy's Birth
Freddy was NOT born in 1938. His birth year is 1942. In the movies, it's stated it was the 1940s when Amanda worked in the asylum, and was raped and impregnated with Freddy. (An episode of Freddy's Nightmares had Freddy going to his 20th high school reunion 'Class Of 1970'…which would make him even younger, but I'll conceede to the 1942 year) -- Dtowng 09:37, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Considering Freddy's birthdate has not been offically revealed, I would recommend an early 1940's listing. Ucantnot 00:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- I believe the FvJ novelization puts it at 1946. Thanos6 01:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I believe it does too, though the Nightmare 3 novel sights the "late 1930's". The FvJ novel isn't a good reference either, due to its errors (Freddy with a five bladed glove, Rob instead of Rod, etc). Until New Line gives an actual date, there shouldn't be one listed. Licensing tie-ins shouldn't be used - as New Line has rolled over them for their own story before. Ucantnot 02:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- I actually spoke with Stephen Hand on the F13Forums, and he says he can't believe he made the "five blades" mistake; that it's just a dumb error he made and that he was mortified when he heard about it. Thanos6 02:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I believe I read that thread. Stephen was just working from the shooting script of the film though and that date was added by him only. It’s not listed anywhere in the actual shooting script. You can read that here under Scripts. The novels are tricky due to some authors take liberties with the material, as with this case. Ucantnot 04:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and added a Circa date for Freddy's birth and discussed the issue in References. This will have to do until we are given an "official" birthdate.Ucantnot 03:54, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] A couple of things...
1) Doesn't Freddy's Dead have to take place before Jason Goes To Hell, to account for Freddy's glove grabbing Jason's mask down to hell?
2) 1999 can't be Freddy's Dead...Lori's mom, from FvJ, was killed 4 years before that movie. Lori, Will, and a bunch of other kids were there. But in Freddy's Dead, there are no kids. There has to be some time between FD and Lori's mom's death. Thanos6 03:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
michael russian:"explanation" 1) lori's mother gets killed a few months after "freddy's dead" a time period where the town quickly rebuilds( masking as a new town,cheap price sales,new people moving in)the whole protection operation for the new american-pie generation begins and ends in 2000.
trust me it seems even after the events of "freddy's dead' freddy returned anyways short of very weakely powered as a result of his confrontation with maggie,i speculate that the house 1428 elm street,is the source for it.
2) both monsters freddy and jason send to hell during 1999 in their personal movies freddy the first to take a trip into hell who can sometimes partly escape from there hence.his glove makes cameo but it took freddy 4 years to reach jason's dreams
- I'll just add, see the NOES Timeline @ http://nightmareonelmstreetfilms.com. Most fans do not consider the very end of Jason Goes To Hell canon - it's more of a shout out. Freddy couldn't reach into the real world to grab Jason's mask, considering FvJ confirms he's been stuck in limbo in his dream form. Ucantnot 06:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
michael rus: i can explain it: freddy on may examples capable to a even little bit further affect reality like leaving a messages to survivors while in "freddy's dead" he was so...powerful to the limit twisting reality. after he was send to hell losing most of his powers a hell-port was open freddy reached his hand and grabed jason's mask
- Also there's nothing to say Jason Goes To Hell didn't happen in 1999. Only Freddy's Dead is pushed in a certain time frame, the Friday site just lists it in 1994 - though there's nothing backing that (to my knowledge).User:ucantnot 02:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
no response pepole hello!?
[edit] Seperated?
Couldn't these timelines both get their own pages? The Nightmare series has 7 films and Friday the 13th 10, each having nothing to do with each other(except Freddy's hand perhaps). Only 1 crossover film links them together. Does this necessitate that both entire film timelines be combined? I think it make clear things up a little and make each timeline more readable. Thoughts? Case 23:44, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Speculation
All of the debate and speculation above illustrates rather clearly that the article is chock full of OR. Wryspy 04:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] A timeline in my way...
Well... This timeline is really strange, like this Friday, June 13th on 1979 lol Before I saw the timeline of both movies, I made a timeline for Friday the 13th, wich is different of what is show here... Then, after I see a chronology of Freddy in a site, I decide to make mine too... Just for the idea, here is it, without details (and without saying that I'm the only one with the truth lol) :
FRIDAY THE 13TH June 13 1946 : Jason Voorhees is born 1957 : Jason drowns in Crystal Lake 1958 : The first murders 1959-1962 : Fire, bad water in Crystal Lake then close 1979 : Steve Christy want to reopens the camp June 13, 1980 : The events of the 1st film. OK in Part 4, the tombstone is 1930-1979... but there is no Friday June 13th in 1979... I think that's more real to say that the tombstone was a mistake that to take 1979 as the year.. no? August 1980 : Alice is dead Summer 1983 : Chris' attack by Jason September, 1985 : Events of the 2nd movie, 5 years after the first events. Ok, it's a counselor training camp and not a real, so I think the month is not important, until it's in summer, near Friday the 13th of that year) September, 1985 : Near Friday the 13th,events of the 3rd movie, just after Part 2. September, 1985 : Near Friday the 13th,events of the 4th movie, just after Part 3. 1985-1990 : Crystal Lake change for Forest Green. October 13 1989 : Prologue of Part 7 : Death of Tina's father. OK, we see Jason in the water... well, it's more complicated that 1979 or 1980, but we can explain it with this fact that it's to more understand the place where the death of John Shepherd occurs.. what do you think of that? July 1990 : Near Friday the 13th, the events of Part 5. Tommy is 17 y.-o. (well he looks like this age and 5 years in hospital is ok I think). In the end, I think he really kills Pam and that's why he go back to the hospital. October 1995 : Near Friday the 13th, events of Part 6. Another 5 years and Tommy is in Forest Green (Crystal Lake). 1995-1998 : Forest Green is Crystal Lake again. March 1998 : Near Friday the 13th, events of Part 7, Tina looks like in her late teens age and it's 9 years ather the prologue that I date on 1989. April 6-8 2001 : A week before Friday the 13th, events of Part 8. July 2001 : Near the 2nd Friday the 13th day of that year, events of Jason Goes To Hell : just after the incident in Manhattan, the FBI are investigating on Jason, and there is the rest of the film.. June 2003 : Near Friday the 13th, events of Freddy vs. Jason : it's maybe near the end of the class and it's the birtdate of Jason, it's a good plan from Freddy to take him by emotion lol 2003-2008 : Jason is free and probably make some massacre. 2008-2010 : Governement capture Jason and try to kill him in many ways, in vain. 2010 : Prologue of Jason X. Probably near a Friday the 13th, in August 2010? August 13, 2455 : This date is a Friday the 13th, and maybe, after all, that it's the destiny of Jason to awake each Friday the 13th lol
then...!
A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET Here, I will only give timeline for the movies (less complicated), with less details that F-13. Part 1 : September 1984 Part 2 : September 1985 Part 3 : September 1987 Part 4 : September 1988 Part 5 : June 1989 Freddy's dead : September 1999 New Nightmare : --- Freddy vs Jason : June 2003
I hope you can think about it... But maybe I'm all wrong too lol
Dalijim, Oct. 21st, 2006
- You haven't cited reasons for picking these specific dates. Wryspy 20:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Well there is one thing that is not logical in this Timeline : since when June 13 of 1979 was a Friday? Just see it there : 1979 for the cited reason ... But it's possible in 1980, the year of the movie. Yeah, it's a "movie", but it's not Star Wars. It's supposed to be on Earth, in our time. I think so... Then, when you change the info from 1979 to 1980, there is other things that change in the timeline. DALIJIM (Oct. 21st, 2006)
[edit] Wait a minute
How can the events of Jason takes Manhattan and The Final Friday both take place in May 1994?When did Jason return to Crystal Lake from the Big Apple (and how did he manage to do it so quickly)?I think it's a chronological mistake.Dimts 14:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
