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Contents 1 ProD warnings 2 Listing multiple pages on AfD 3 Madhouse hoax 4 You helped choose this week's WP:AID winner 5 Re-Jewlia 6 Bloo clones 7 Speedy deletion 8 Broken redirect 9 Mad Gangsters 10 2005 Belgian urban violence 11 Collingtree 12 Joel Smets 13 New to Wikipedia 14 Lafayette Towers Apartments 15 Detroit Buildings Wikiproject 16 User:Syphonbyte 17 Darrin McGillis 18 Hi 19 Triaria/De claris mulieribus‎ 20 Newpage Patroller 21 Marvtixx 22 WP Belgium 23 WikiProject Comics 24 Incorrect completion? 25 Re: Interstate 10 in Texas 26 Re: SecuriTeam deletion 27 Me as a "diva" 28 Trillion dollar economies deletion 29 Shinty 30 NN artist 31 Aleksander Zaks 32 Puerto Rican Women in the Military 33 Edgar Pierre Jacobs 34 vandalism 35 Sixth Party System 36 Thanks for your contributions 37 Talk:Bow tie 38 Closing of AfD 39 Talk:Provinces_of_regions_in_Belgium#WP:RM 40 My RfA thanks 41 King Ottokar's Sceptre 42 My RfA 43 SomeHuman 44 You Notice Straw Men, Too! 45 The 4400 Afd 46 Cosmic Command 47 Callcentric 48 Scott DeGraff 49 Hi, Fram 50 Koprivnica buildings 51 Aga Khan Hospital ProD warnings 52 Happy Hour (comic) 53 album category gallery 54 Peer review 55 Picture placement 56 Deletion of Holden Street, Fitzroy North, Melbourne 57 Watermelon (color) 58 Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can 59 Ido and Novial compared

[edit] ProD warnings

Thanks for your note about changes to the Nixon siblings articles. As I have just started them, there's certainly more to add. I would point to Edward Baker Lincoln as an example of a precedent for keeping articles on relatives of politicians. I am not a big proponent of Deletionism of any kind, especially when we have articles on similar minutiae, such as, say, Zorglub. Nixon's brothers' deaths affected his outlook and split the family in two for many years, so it seems they should be mentioned. I am an inclusionist, so we seem to have very different views on what could use an article. Obscure does not mean non-notable, so I encourage you to keep up your great work on Belgian comics. I feel it all has a place here. Jokestress 10:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

What the heck is a ProD warning? Your post to my page doesn't say anything about it and your tag doesn't work. Wjhonson 03:33, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

The Frantz Hunt Coe page has ALREADY been deleted ? What is going on here? Not even any discussion ? Wjhonson 20:14, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

This man appeared in the Blue Book of seattle for 10 years and Who's Who. He is certainly notable as a historical person. It's true he can't be googled but that's also true of millions of people who were famous in their own time. Wjhonson 20:27, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

He was THE MOST notable physician perhaps in the entire history of Seattle? HOW can that not be notable? Wjhonson 20:35, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Listing multiple pages on AfD

You may want to look at this page to see how you can lump all of the Nixon articles together for deletion rather than list each one. Ifnord 13:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Madhouse hoax

Great find! Holy shit - how did these twenty articles go undetected!? - CrazyRussian talk/email 14:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You helped choose this week's WP:AID winner

- Davodd 05:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re-Jewlia

Hi Fram, The article Jewlia is on social group of India. It has been written encyclopedic way. I got it in svenska wikipedia and thought to put on English wikipedia as well. I do not think there is any harm in it. It is going to increase a knowledge base. I searched Jewlia which I found on wiki- svenska and not on eng-wiki. I think it is not violating the policy of wikipedia in any way and hence should not be deleted. burdak 16:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bloo clones

Not to worry. I agree that the flood of new articles can indeed be daunting at times. I agree with you, by the way, that the Bloo clones article (I moved it to a shorter title) isn't worth keeping as a separate article. I've suggested it be merged back to the main article and if there are no reasonable objections in the next 24 hours I will be bold and merge it there, deleting the standalone article. For articles like this you could always use the prod process instead of AfD. Its less work for you and more appropriate where an article is clearly inappropriate but doesn't fit an existing CSD criteria. Best, mGwernol 14:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion

Regarding the article Ozark Games, which you tagged for speedy deletion with the reason "it is an article about a person, group of people, band, club, etc. that does not assert the importance or significance of the subject", I wanted you to know that I have removed the speedy deletion tag. This article does not qualify for speedy deletion because unfortunately, this doesn't apply to companies. If you still want the article to be deleted, please use the WP:PROD process. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 13:16, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Broken redirect

Hi. You recently created the article "Cardinal Campeius" with the text "#REDIRECT [[Cardinal Campeius]]". (You'd be surprised how often this happens!) I haven't been able to find the existing article that you were trying to link to. Can you please fix the redirect? Thanks. --Russ Blau (talk) 16:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I just look if the redirect I create turns out blue (i.e. no typos), but in this case that obviously wasn't enough. I redirected it to Henry VIII (play) now, as Cardinal Campeius is a character from that Shakespeare play. I"m cleaning up part of the Wikipedia:List of encyclopedia topics, which mostly means making redirects or disambiguation pages... Fram 19:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mad Gangsters

An accusation that wasn't accurate? Possibly insinuation sockpuppeteering on numerous occasions as well as assuming bad faith about (nearly) all users who weren't on your side of the argument. I thought we moved past this a long time ago, but obviously you must be following what I've been doing. As for the Mad Gangster controversy, the category was clearly not intended as a comprehensive list of everybody who is a Mad Gangster; it was in the same vein as numerous other Wikipedian categories. Technically I do qualify as being mad gangster, because I am a gang member, and the adjective "mad" implies skill or power in this context. syphonbyte _(t|c) 14:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

You were sockpuppeteering, as you had different accounts you used in the same discussion. You have since acknowledged that. I did not accuse you on "numerous" occasions though. And I rightly assumed bad faith on users that create absurd hoax articles and then continue to defend them in a group effort by making up stuff, even going as far as creating a project for them and creating external websites that defend them. How can you explain such thing in good faith? I do follow what you and your friends are doing, as I have seen that some of your edits here are in bad faith, and I prefer not to have those in an encyclopedia. I don't contest everything you or your friends do, I only reply when I feel it is necessary. I didn't think it was necessary to intrude in the CfD for mad gangsters when you were defending it against other editors, but when the same "gang" that had disrupted Wikipedia at the time of the Eiland/Polfbroekstraat/... farce joined ranks again, I thought it better to point that out to people who may not have been aware of that. Or was it just a coincidence that they all felt the need to vote on that CfD? Polfbroekstraat: first "serious" contribution in 26 days[1]. Charlesxavier: only contribution in over a month[2]. The Raven: first serious contribution in over a month[3]. This is not sockpuppeting, but it certainly is meatpuppeting (WP:MEAT), and makes it hard to assume good faith. Fram 16:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I have one other account, User:Gotem that I registered at some point when I'd forgotten my password. I don't recall ever using it in that discussion, and no other accounts belonged to me. I just wanted to point out that the account was mine to avoid confusion, and I purposely did not use it. As for the hoax articles, they were never intended to be hoaxes and were created under the assumption that the fallingrain data had been correct. We defended them in a group effort because we created them as a group, and I have never made an external web site to support information on Wikipedia. I had assumed that this had blown over by now, but I guess it hasn't. syphonbyte _(t|c) 17:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

The fallingrain data only gave a name, population, and location. They were incorrect, but apart from that, you (as a group) made up a whole lot of info on the places involved, which did not come from fallingrain or anywhere else, and were just hoaxes. But this had indeed blown over, until you started to use the same group of people to contest the deletion of something else you created. That is all I pointed out, as it was relevant. Fram 11:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I "used" nobody, and I told none of them about the CfD, except for Raven, because he had an interest given that he was in the category. The other articles were never intended to be incorrect, and I stand by that assertion. I don't see why you felt the need to continue following my actions on Wikipedia, as there is obviously no good reason, however I suggest you rethink your priorities if you feel that this is neccessary. syphonbyte _(t|c) 04:06, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

If you contacted noone but Raven, then I suppose the other three are following your actions on Wikipedia as well... As for the articles, they were hoaxes, whatever you say about them. Fram 12:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

And Raven was not in the category, he added himself after the CfD started. He added it July 31st [4], and the CfD is from July 30th. Oops... Fram 13:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

If they do follow my actions, then they're doing the exact same thing that you did, so there's no meatpuppeting and their opinions should be counted. I didn't make what I was trying to say clear; Raven was going to add himself to the category, however I did not want to do it for him so he had to login first. By the time he did, the CfD had already started. I don't really care about the other articles, a hoax is something that is intentionally false. A mistake is not a hoax. syphonbyte _(t|c) 00:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, just to clear things up, I never asked any of the other users from the Gotem AfDs to come vote at this CfD; Raven did. Unfortunately, I think that this is one of the reasons that Cyde has blocked me twice now (in violation of blocking policy). I've changed my mind because of these blocks; I might as well agree with deletion rather than risk being perma-blocked from Wiki along with the rest of my friends, which seems to be Cyde's ultimate goal. I'd also like to apologize if I've been incivil to you, I've never meant to do that, nor have I ever meant to include false information at Wikipedia. Hopefully this can help smooth things over somewhat. syphonbyte _(t|c) 07:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. It may well be that it was Raven who asked it, not you, I had no way to know that, and I think that you can understand that for me, you were acting as one group. I perhaps shuoldn't have assumed that it wass your doing, but it looked like that... The incivility was nothing extreme, so no problem there. As for the false info, if not your intention, then at least of some of your friends again. But let's leave that behind; I'll probably keep an eye on the contributions of you and the others, but I will not go around and meddle with everything you do. Good luck with Wikipedia, and hopefully next time we meet we are at the same side of a discussion. Fram 08:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2005 Belgian urban violence

Hi, I've nominated 2005 Belgian urban violence for deletion : Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2005 Belgian urban violence (second nomination). I thought you might be interested. --LucVerhelst 21:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Collingtree

I'm sorry for harsh wording: however I would maintain that the redirect was less useful than a redlink here - nobody ever refers to "Baroness X of Y" as "Y". Morwen - Talk 19:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joel Smets

Cheers for the : symbol move thingy, its only "Smets" over here (UK) but we're all illiterate when it come to foreign languages (especial in the MX community) ;) Pickle 07:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New to Wikipedia

Hello I am a new user to Wikipedia. I like to edit articles about towns in Belgium. Do you have any tips that will make my life easier on wikipedia???????????? EdYlC 18:31, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lafayette Towers Apartments

Thank you for helping me clean up the article and restructure it. You did a good job, and i appreciate the help and contributions. :) Raccoon Fox • Talk • Stalk 18:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Detroit Buildings Wikiproject

Should i start a Detroit Buildings Wikiproject? If so, would you be willing to join and assist me in it? Raccoon Fox • Talk • Stalk 03:30, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Syphonbyte

Looks like you finally got rid of him and caught all his sockpuppets. Or did you? There's one coming up for RfA soon, see if you can catch him. 80.58.205.33 20:31, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm suprised you are trying to keep Siphon indef blocked, you're not going to be able to keep an eye on him when he uses other accounts, if he gets unblocked then you will. Seems counterproductive, but just my $0.02

Nice try, new account. How bizarre that your very first post is about such a thing... Fram 13:09, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Darrin McGillis

The McGillis article contained a negative quote about Mr. McGillis. You removed it. I think it should remain. There are some who believe McGillis has gone off the deep end. Do you mind telling me what is objectionable about the quote? Is it too strong? Is the source cited untrustworthy? Regardless, thanks for your work in keeping Wikipedia up to par.--Snorklefish 14:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hello I am new to Wikipedia. How do I make an account?

[edit] Triaria/De claris mulieribus‎

Hi, I know it's not recommended to to have wadges of foreign language text masquerading as articles. I this case though, it's important as reference 7 in Triaria and a subpage seemed like the best solution to me. I've left a note on its talk page. Dlyons493 Talk 09:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I just responded on the talk page of the article. Basically, article subpages are not allowed (and is supposedly disabled), but this is not widely known probably. Fram 09:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I didn't realise that article subpages are not allowed. I'll revert it to the talk page. Dlyons493 Talk

[edit] Newpage Patroller

Hi Fram. I am very interested in the process of how to become a newpage patroller. How did you become one? Does it depend on your length of experience with WP, or number of contributions or edits, or is it a self nominated position? Any information would be helpful. Ardfern 19:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

It's a self nominated position. I came across the new pages by following the "Did You Know" on the main page, and noticed that loads of real crap, and numbers of borderline acceptable cases are created every hour (for all clarity; the Northern Ireland school articles are not "real crap" at all, but borderline cases, as the voting pattern indicates). I wondered if I could do anything against the worst cases, and discovered WP:SD. A few too harsh Speedy deletions, and some admin pointed me to WP:PROD and WP:AFD. Gradually, you get to know when to use what, and most cases are pretty straightforward. But it is something you do on your own, mostly: you are not appointed, you are not obliged to patrol, and you can draw your own conclusions about articles. It is best if you have some experience of course, and some knowledge of the basic policies, but I don't think that is a problem in your case.

I usually don't check the newest articles (there are other people doing that, I believe), but I go back 500, 1000 or 1500 pages (about half a day) and check those. It's amazing how many articles still need to be deleted or prodded after 12 hours on Wikipedia.

After I while, you also get to know other indications, like wikify, stub, fact, ... with which you can tag articles that should not be deleted but that are problematic in some way.

And then there is the copyvio: you get to recognize which lines are Wikipedia-written, and what seems to come from a magazine, a website, ... Those need to be weeded out as well.

But you read lots of articles on many different topics, and the thrill you get when you find some unnoticed hoax or so is great. It is a good job when you don't have the time or means to write an article, but still want to contribute. Don't expect much thanks from other editors though, it seems to go mostly unnoticed, while the creators of the disputed articles sometimes can be rather nasty (normally there are no problems, luckily). Fram 20:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marvtixx

Do me a big favor and leave my talk page alone --- I don't need to be constantly-reminded of a ridiculous warning by someone who just plain doesn't agree with me. If you have something constructive to say, do it on the discussion page for the article you're unhappy about; anything more is just a personal attack and highly immature. Marvtixx 06:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:No personal attacks to see what is and what isn't a personal attack. Please read Wikipedia:Vandalism (especially the section "Talk page vandalism") to see what is and what isn't accepted at user talk pages (removing legitimate warnings isn't: since your deleted article was at the time of writing a copyvio, as agreed on by the administrator that actually deleted the page, that warning was legitimate. I have no idea what the other warning was about, so I'll not comment on that one.) Finally, I urge you to read Wikipedia:Civility and try to be more civil in the future. Fram 06:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP Belgium

Thx for the background info. Maybe I'll work on it after my wikibreak. Would you be interested to join?--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 10:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Not for the moment, I'm too busy with the tasks I'm doing for the moment already. I'll not oppose a decent project of course, there is loads of work on Belgium-related articles. Good luck! Fram 11:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Comics

I'm really glad to see your participation in this WikiProject. We can always use insight on European comics because not all of us are very familiar with them. I've read some albums, but I don't know much about current European comics. I look forward to seeing more from you. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 18:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I've edited quite a lot on European comics yet, bringing stubs to the level of decent basic articles (still a long way from GA or FA of course). I try to participate a bit in the project as well, but I know next to nothingn about American superhero comics (I know a bit more about classics like Pogo, Peanuts or Calvin and Hobbes). I have noticed you around a lot, thanks for all the work you put into it! Fram 18:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for saying that. You don't need to know about American superhero comics. For every editor on Wikipedia with a good working knowledge of Euro comics, there are ten American nerds creating timelines for fictional superhero events. What we need is more of you. There's no reason we should such an overwhelming emphasis on American superhero comics. I read a lot of independent American comics as well, and I have read some European comics, but like I said above, I just don't know enough to feel comfortable adding information to those articles. (Confidentially, though, I don't really add much to the superhero comics articles; I just like to edit them, to shape and organize the information other editors add and to help other editors do what they do. Any time you want to perform a merge or need help with an article, list those things at WP:CMC/NB. You may feel like you are outside the inner circle of editors in the project, but you're wrong: You have friends at WP:CMC. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 19:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll remember it. And I agree that while we need the nerds for their dedication, we certainly need people to keep up some standards (for contents, layout, ...). If I can help you with anything, just let me know and I'll see what I can do! Fram 19:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect completion?

As you can see from this, the subpage was only transcluded from the afd of today (not of yesterday): adding the subpage to the afd of today was what DumbBOT did. A little investigation revealed the cause of the problem: a missing bracket in this edit. Since the subpage was actually only transcluded as of today, I'll remove the incomplete transclusion from the log of yesterday (Liberatore, 2006). 11:40, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! I was convinced I had done it correctly, but I have indeed forgotten an accolade when copying the afd3 template. I thought I had checked it, but I was obviously mlstaken. Good bot, here's a cookie :-) Fram 11:43, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Interstate 10 in Texas

Copying my response from the WP talk page: The article hasn't even existed for 24 hours yet. It takes time to develop. See Interstate 10 in California, Interstate 10 in Louisiana, and Interstate 10 in Florida for other examples. --Holderca1 11:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: SecuriTeam deletion

Hello Fram. I am in the middle of editing the SecuriTeam article. I removed some inappropriate words such as "successful" from the text, and started adding some more data on what they do, as well as some of the debate around if they should be allowed to do it.

I obviously more work to do, and would appreciate your input on how I can make it better fit as a wikipedia entry, much like some other similar security portals entries: (SecurityFocus, Milw0rm, Secunia, etc.

Can you help me on the page itself, as well? I would like to continue this "wikipedia talk" on Talk:SecuriTeam.

I removed the "for deletion" mark for now while we work.

[edit] Me as a "diva"

I'm sorry to hear that you still ruminate about our May conflict on Rubens. It was not my intention to make you feel unappreciated or uncomfortable. We dispute content, not personalities, right? I don't think your today's comment on the unrelated thread was particularly gracious, especially now as I try to call it quits and prepare to move to Citizendium. I sincerely hope there is no enmity between us. Please look after Rubens. The article has been edited mostly by anons, whose every edit is in violation of WP:MOS. Sorry to see the article drowned in meaningless red links. Good luck with your comics articles. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 14:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I normally wouldn't have brought it up, but I thought it ironic that the one prolific editor (I'm not talking about newbie vandals and otehr hoaxers) who made me feel unwelcome was saying that basically editors don't do that kind of thing. I tried to point out that it was something from the past and that you seem to have changed (that's why I didn't bring it up in your current RfArb, as it is indeed long in the past), but I just found it unfair towards the admins to somehow forget your past, and the fact that there are other editors who still do behave in such a way (it may not have been your intention, but the result was anyway that I felt very uncomfortable editing with you "near" at the time). I repeat, this is no complaint to your behaviour, just a correction (or a difference in opinion) to your post. I have seen nothing from you that is a problem recently, and I do appreciate the many constructive edits you make. Fram 14:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trillion dollar economies deletion

Hi, I am of Belgian origin too. I am really OK with your request to delete this article. I am just frustrated in the way I get bounced around between the Wikipedia:Requested Articles where I produce articles specifically answering these requests only to have such articles being considered for deletion upon arrival.

I propose that censors like yourself spend more energy censoring the list of Wikipedia:Requested Articles first. So, Wikipedians like myself don't waste time doing the research to produce such articles only to see them readily deleted.

If you look through the mentioned list you will see tons of article requests that are very narrow in scope and that if answered will be readily deleted by yourselves. Why not eliminate those ASAP so the rest of us don't go on wild goose chase.

What do you think?

Sincerely

Sympa 16:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't know the article came from there. I actually never look at the article requests, because most of them seem rather pointless anyway. Bt you are right, it must be frustrating to help someone with a request only to see your goodwill effort deleted. I don't have a good solution actually, I don't really have the time to check those pages as well, and new pages patrol is also understaffed, it seems (I look at "new pages" of half a day old, and they are still full of rubbish, even speedy deleteable articles and so on, as if no one has checked them until then). We need more people to do the boring stuff so that we don't hinder each other... Fram 19:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shinty

Hoi! I've merged all Shinty clubs in North America into one article, looking both at the phenomena of a significant cultural revivialist movement of great significance for both shinty and Gaelic culture, as well as the individual clubs on their merits. It still requires a bit of work but I am working to get it up to standard asap. Thank you for drawing it to my attentionSologoal 09:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem with one article for Shinty in North America, and if it becomes a success, more articles can always follow. Thanks for taking the ProD so positive! Fram 09:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NN artist

I love it when these people try so doggone hard to get on this site. The recent version looked like a plagiarized text dump. Key word: Looked. It be gone. Thanks for the heads-up! :)) - Lucky 6.9 22:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem! 04:51, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aleksander Zaks

If you google him in Russian, you get a boatload of good hits (duh!) - CrazyRussian talk/email 15:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I can't check if they are good hits, but it looks to me as if I still only get some 200 hits (123 distinct ones)[5]. Not really a boatload, I would say... Is there anything I'm doing wrong here? Anyway, if you feel that he is notable, feel free to remove the prod, a I trust your judgment on this. Fram 16:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Puerto Rican Women in the Military

I agree that a "In Memory" section would have been out of place however, the image placement is within Wiki policy since they are revelent to the article. There is no violation of policy. Therefore, I kindly ask you to refrained from a future revert. I don't expect you to respect these women but, I do expect some respect to the work that I do here in Wiki. Thank you , Tony the Marine 17:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you for your positive attitude and for the way you dealt with the situation. You have proven to me that you are a first class act. Keep up the good work. It has been a pleasure interacting with you. Cheers! Tony the Marine 18:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edgar Pierre Jacobs

I would like to know the logic of having the article on

Edgar Pierre Jacobs

re-written in the present tense. It's so bizarre that it is hardly readable,

[edit] vandalism

sorry bout that. It was one of my friend's trying to be funny on my account.

[edit] Sixth Party System

Sixth Party System disappeared. Can you shed any light how this occured? (If possible, please reply on my talk page.) Thank You. Joseph 19:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your contributions

[edit] Talk:Bow tie

Hi,

You may have an interest, since I saw your name in the history list of the Bow tie article: There's a separate article, List of bow tie wearers and an admin is suggesting deleting it. When I looked into the Bow tie page, I found there's already a list there. I don't have an opinion on which list should remain, but one really should go. I'd appreciate your advice on the Talk:Bow tie page, if you're interested and have the time.Noroton 00:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Closing of AfD

Thanks for that link, it was what I was looking for. I read it the other day and knew I was allowed to close all- or near-all keep discussions. I mistakenly felt that was a keep. Sorry, and no harm done. — Gary Kirk // talk! 11:49, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Provinces_of_regions_in_Belgium#WP:RM

• Talk:Provinces_of_regions_in_Belgium#WP:RM - Tobias Conradi (Talk) 03:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA thanks

Hi, Fram! Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of 75/0/1! I hope I can live up to the standards of adminship, and I will try my best to make Wikipedia a better place. Feel free to send me a message if you need any assistance. :)

--Coredesat 16:21, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] King Ottokar's Sceptre

Hi, I put the original infobox back in because it included links to the previous adventure (the Black Island) and the next one (the Crab with the Golden Claws). The other books did have links to the previous and next books but King Ottokar's Sceptre did not, which seemed odd. Could we keep this pattern of the infobox providing a link to the next and previous book in the series? It would be so much easier to navigate rather than having to go to the Tintin books, films, and media page all the time. Cheers, Marktreut

The new layout looks fine to me. Cheers, Marktreut

[edit] My RfA

[edit] SomeHuman

• [6] - thanks for notifying him. I should have done so. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 18:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You Notice Straw Men, Too!

Your comment in [4400 episode debate] made me smile. You're one of the first people I've seen catch a straw man in action on an AfD, Considering the number of times they pop up, it surprises me that I had to wait this long to see someone who knew what I was talking about. Kudos. Consequentially 05:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The 4400 Afd

Hi. Just wanted to say I strongly support your AfD reasoning for The 4400 episodes. I cannot see how the closing admin made his judgement to keep, and I have posted on his talk page asking for a clarification of his reasoning. If you want to take this AfD to WP:DRV, I will support you. Zunaid ^(T•C) Please rate me at Editor Review! 08:20, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I didn't understand the "keep" either, I would have expected at least a "no consensus". However, nothing stoips us from performing a merge anyway :-) I'm not sure if I'll take it to DRV, I'm thinking about it. Fram 08:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi mate. Yeah sorry about the Nizna Spisske article. I was testing to see how long it took before it was read - about 18 hours! It was a secruity test to see how long it takes before unblatant vandalism is read. I would have deleted it tomorrow if nobody had seen it but you have seen it so the test is ok. Otherwise you can obviously trust me 100% just see my 20, 000 + past edits on wikipedia. Shalu Monastery, Izso and William Garwood are tiny examples of what I have done and the quality articles I have created for example show that I am a quality wikipedian. I have checked Fatima Blush and all of the edits are 100% correct. In fact I think about every detail about her is covered from the film. In my view she is one of the sexiest bond girls ever but not the best looking. All the best and I will continue to behave!!!. All the best Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes absolutely this is why I did a test. At times the rate at which new articles are created is extremely quick sometimes 50 or so in 10 minutes and with such rapidity it is always difficult to regulate new articles. I always do my bit where I can be cutting out the rubbish, wikifying, tagging and categorizing when I am taking a break from adding new work - ideally the project needs an army of wikpiedians who look at every new entry and check its validity but of course this is not really possible. I will now continue with my work on SLovakia WITHOUT! any reference to the beautiful Shania Twain!! You do agree with me though that she is very very fit? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cosmic Command

Hi, just thought you should know I prod2'd Cosmic Command, but the guy says on the talk page that he's just going to recreate it if it gets deleted. Do you know how to get it protected from re-creation when it's deleted? The Kinslayer 16:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

A a contested prod, we should put it through AfD (I'll look at it soon). In the nomination, I can ask for it to be "salted" (i.e. protected) by the closing admin. Fram 19:20, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Callcentric

Fram I was reading the AfD on Callcentric and I wanted to say how good your comments were. I like the way you made your point whilst also trying to encourage those involved. --Mike 19:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanksd! I don't always do it this way, but I felt that this was an editor seriously trying to create a good article, while picking the wrong subject. I have no scruples in deleting spam and hoaxes and I don't mind if those editors don't like that, but in a case like this, I wouldn't want to turn away a potential good editor by deleting his first effort without an explanation. Fram 19:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scott DeGraff

Hello... Re article on Scott DeGraff, maybe I will just merge this article with the article N9NE Group no? - please advice! Thanks.Chickville 17:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi, Fram

I have really appreciated your discussion in the AfD of Freej cartoon. Just a note-- please don't assume or suggest bad faith on my part because of the amount of time I am currently concentrating in the AfD area. My contributions to those discussions have been valuable and I am entitled to participate just as any other user on Wikipedia. You and I interpret some of the policies differently and apply them differently, but that is not a reason to try to chase me out of the discussion. My interpretation and application of the policies is in line with various other Wikipedians who have been on the system for a very long time, and so are yours.

And, for the record, I have offered to help with articles up for AfD if the topic was both notable and in an area of knowledge where I can be of service. I am in the process of gathering source material on one article from Ireland that had a "no consensus" AfD, and I have made a commitment to improve it. If it takes much longer to get the source material from Ireland I will userfy the page to work on it for a longer period of time and then re-post it. My way of doing thing s is to spend a few weeks doing this, a few weeks doing that-- you're likely to see me disappear from AfD discussions in a few days and only see me in some other area for a few weeks, and so forth. There's nothing that I have done that should justify saying that I am less of a "real" Wikipeidian than yourself. We just disagree about certain issues, that's all. Please don't try to make something simple into something that it's not. Thanks! OfficeGirl 01:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, Fram, I wasn't even in the Biloo AfD discussion at all, as far as I can see. For the most part I stay out of notability discussions about comics because it's just not an area I know about, but it is clear that it is your area of expertise. I usually defer to people like you in determining which comics are worthy and which are not. But the one delete vote I saw in that discussion said that the comic's own website wasn't a valid source??? Now that's just wrong. I believe strongly in third party sources, but that doesn't mean that a primary source is no source at all. Since that discussion is still open, I'll try to lend a hand and remind that user of that. Hope your weekend is nice. OfficeGirl 15:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

PS- FANTASTIC job turning the Freej article around. Looks like you're going to turn that AfD into a unanimous SPEEDY KEEP. OfficeGirl 15:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Koprivnica buildings

Several articles about buildings in Koprivnica, e.g. Town’s Savings Bank Building, were created by Usercroatia around September 13-14. You tagged most of them for wikify, expand and context. As the articles have no context and consist of merely 1 or 2 sentences, expand and context are entirely appropriate tags. However, as part of WikiProject Wikify, I don't feel the wikify tag is required. The articles already have some wikilinks, and with such a short stub that has no context, a lead section is difficult or impossible. I have therefore removed the wikify tags, but wanted to leave you a short note to explain why since it involves quite a few articles. Windymilla 20:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem, and thanks for explaining. I am no member of the wikify project, so I have only limited understanding of what was intended, but I meant with the wikify tag that even with such one-liners, the least they can do is start with repeating the title in bold, e.g. "Building X is a 17th centruy church in Koprivnica" or something. No big deal, the articles need attention, and the expand and context tags will probably do the trick one day (or will at least show the unaware reader that we don't consider these articles to be satisfactory). 20:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair point about repeating the title in bold, which is a wikifying task I would always ensure was done. In this case, the titles are so inappropriate, e.g. "Jewish Sinagogue" (sic) or "Franciscan Monastery", meaning (but not saying) the specific ones in Koprivnica, I couldn't even face repeating them in bold :-) Windymilla 20:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Yep, they are fairly bad articles in general, although about things that could warrant a good article. I fear it will be a long time though before anyone comes along. Oh well, it could always be worse, like the much-edited but still hopeless List of Sultans of Sulu, tagged for cleanup since September 2005 and since edited over a hundred times... ;-) Fram 20:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aga Khan Hospital ProD warnings

Hi Fram - I appreciate your letting me know about the ProD warnings but I feel that they are unjustified. I understand that these institutions do not apear notable in the Western world - most people haven't heard of them. However, these are some of the oldest and most important institutions in the developing world. Take Kisumu as an example - how many hospitals exist to serve that community and region? How many of them were established in the 50's and managed to survive Kenyan independence, the political turmoil in the region and are able to offer the highest standards of medical care?

These are important institutions in the countries that they serve - regarded as the Mayo Clinics of their regions. They are also important points of service for tourists and ex-pats seeking high quality medical care. A record of their existnace and the service that they provide to their communities deserves to be noted in Wikipedia.

Aylahs 15:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Fram - Thanks for your reply. I understand what you mean about merging the hospitals into one page, but I do feel strongly that they deserve their own individual pages. The Aga Khan brand reflects the patron who established them, the referral and technical support network they particpate in, and is a mark of the quality of care that they provide. However, while they share the same branding, they each have their own distinct histories, specializations, management and clientele and are of significant importance to the diversity of communities and regions that they serve. I expect that these articles will evolve quite independently from one another and incorporate their own local languages and flavours, reflective of the individuality of the cultures, institutions and peoples. Aylahs 15:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for agreeing to remove the prod notices Fram - I appreciate your understanding. Keep up the great page patrol work! Aylahs 15:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Hour (comic)

I was very confused by your Prod notice on my talk page, as I had not written the text of that article. Therefore, I was surprised to see that I am listed as the creator of the article. It took me a few minutes to resolve my confusion, but this edit explains the situation. I had split up the information about two unrelated uses of the phrase "Happy Hour", placed them in separate articles, and turned the original article into a redirect page.

The information about the comic was originally entered by an anonymous IP, so placing a prod notice there probably won't do any good. Finally, given that I have no vested interest in that article whatsoever, I have no problem seeing that article become a line in the deletion log.  :-) – Swid ^{(talk | edits)} 15:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] album category gallery

Hi, I have a question about the policy with album covers and pics, if you could look at it. Cover Q. Thanks, Murgh 01:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review

A request for a peer review of New Universe has been made at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Peer review/New Universe. I'd appreciate your comments on the article, hopefully it will kickstart the comics project's peer review process. To comment, please add a new section (using ==== [[User:Your name|Your name]] ====) for your comments, in order to keep multiple responses legible. Steve block Talk 22:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture placement

Hi Fram, thank you for moving the pictures in the city articles. I didn't realize that these pictures were actually superimposed on the table of contents (my browser shows them one beside the other). I'll check to see if any more of those might occur... Should we have any concern about text being sandwiched between two pictures facing each other? LVan 15:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem. As for text between two pictures: normally this is to be avoided, but certainly with lengthy infoboxes and shorter articles it is sometimes hard not to get this effect. I have not corrected Ostend yet because I couldn't work out a good layout for all the pictures (perhaps and indication that we have too many pictures there?). Fram 16:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment on the Mechelen talk page. Would you care to verify Bruges 2006-12-06T22:27:53 version, whether the contents box appears still superimposed by the photograph in your browser? (I had modified that page before I realized the true nature of the problem, and possibly those edits solved it – though I doubt it). You may let me know or, if no-one moved the photograph by then in the current version, of course move it immediately. I assume it would in that bad case best be put between titles ==History== and ===Golden Age (12th to 15th century)=== (I can't find it right now, but I once read it is best not to put an [[Image|...]] immediately underneath the title of the section in which the image is to be shown beside the first paragraph, but rather on top of the section title [showing not just the text but also that title to the side of the image]), which you might then also verify in your browser. Finally, I wonder whether another syntax used in the Mechelen 2006-12-07T00:37:54 version causes a serious problem for your browser. There as well, its current version may then require moving the photograph out of the intro. Kind regards. — SomeHuman 8 Dec 2006 23:42 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Holden Street, Fitzroy North, Melbourne

I plan to expand this article significntly, please don't delete this article. I find that this is a very noticible street of Fitzroy North. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Adammw (talk • contribs) 23:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Watermelon (color)

I don't understand this deletion process. My article Watermelon (color) is so obscure and uncontroversial that it seems unlikely that anyone but myself and you would be interested in commenting on it. Keraunos 07:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can

[edit] Ido and Novial compared

This is a wiki. Articles tend to be built up over a period of time (that page is less than 24 hours old). I remember looking at the English Wikipedia back in 2002 when much of it could fairly have been described as crap. Has the Wikipedia patience worn out now that it has grown big? The article already contains parallel texts which provide some comparison - which is what the article is for. The idea is to expand it over time. Nov ialiste 17:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)