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[edit] Niles and Daphne

Mention marriage of Niles and Daphne? --user:Daniel C. Boyer

That is soooooooooooooooooo much of a spoiler! Niles' unrequited lust for Daph was one of the main sources of comedy for the first 8 series or so. IN fact, changing the status quo was a VERY bold move, few sitcoms would have dared. Worth mentioning for that, put SEVERAL paragraphs after the warning, please! -- Tarquin 19:55 Oct 6, 2002 (UTC)

Is the fact that Niles and Daphne eventually start a relationship really a secret anymore?

PS: Niles did not have "unrequited lust for Daph". He had sexually desired her, but loved her more. Furthermore, "unrequited" suggests Daphne was not deserving of such devotion.

You're right I suppose, it's common knowledge.
It suggests nothing of the sort.
Adjective: unrequited
1. Not returned in kind Vague Rant 10:26, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)
I removed all direct references to the last episode and large plot spoilers. In my opinion, we should not take for granted that certain information is known. I also believe that this is a reference page to the series, not a summary of the show's happenings, and therefore it is not appropriate for such information to be given. Cissi (Cissi 11:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC))

[edit] dedication

I took the note back in, that "the last show is dedicated to David Angell". Hope its ok - if someone is 100% sure that it should be deleted - take it out again. I thought it belongs there since it's an often statet fact. Also there is a strange wording in the sentence about Niles' son: "in honor of the late David Angell". Since my english is not perfect I haven't changed it, can someone check if this is a typo? Or is it common to say "late" when a dead person is meant?--Thomas 16:03, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

That's right, "late" can be used to describe one who has passed away (sometimes only if they have recently passed away--depends whose dictionary you read). Vague Rant 10:26, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)

The full phrase was originally "Lately Deceased". Saxophobia 22:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More Successful than Cheers

I'm concerned about this sentence appearing early on in the article. There's no corroboration for it, and it doesn't sound very NPOV (more like something a Frasier fan might say in an argument with a Cheers fan).

It's certainly interesting if true. Can we find something to back it up (viewing figures, quotes from critics, details of TV awards won?), reword it, and move it somewhere into the main article? PaulHammond 13:57, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)

Well, Frasier won more Emmy Awards than Cheers, in fact, it has, as of this writing, won more Emmy awards than any other show on television EVER. It sold for a higher dollar figure into syndication than Cheers, so by two criteria, one could say, with proof, that Frasier is more successful than Cheers.


This opinion is considered by many, and worthy of addition in some form. (possibly including the fact that it is an opinion)

82.40.75.55 22:08, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Successful has no overall definition. If the statement is to be added, it should merely be based on criteria such as the above, emmy wins. An opinion, even those held by many, is not NPOV unless a source (such as a poll) is cited. TheHYPO 04:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks for confirmation

82.40.75.55 20:47, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "It became even more successful than its parent show, a television first."

This quote is pretty provably untrue, that it was the first spinoff to outshine its original show. Besides each of the four Star Trek spinoffs being notably longer than the original, Family Matters ran 215 episodes from 1989 to 1997, which was a spinoff of Perfect Strangers, which ran for 150 episodes from 1986 to 1993. By the raw numbers in both cases there were shows that were longer lived than their parents, long before Frasier. I guess it could hinge on how you define "successful", but in terms of quantifiable facts it's a pretty easy to disprove claim. --Wingsandsword 06:45, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Run time

Run time - 30 minutes

That 30 minutes will be inclusive of commercials, since the programme is certainly not that long on non-commercial TV channels (where it lasts something more like ± 25 minutes). For the sake of accuracy, should we not be indicating the real length of programmes, exclusive of advertising breaks before, during, or after? -- Picapica 20:39, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

I have edited it. The average run time was 22 minutes, but there are a few noted exceptions; the first episode, which was around 1.5-2 minutes longer than a standard episode, and "Three Dates and a Break up", which was a special 44 miunte episode. There were also a few hour long specials, which for the life of me I cannot remeber what they were.--Chardonnay 19:31, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I was woundering what type of comedy is used? Is it dry comedy?

Very much so.--Chardonnay 19:31, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DVD article?

Anyone object to a Frasier DVDs article, as per The Simpsons DVDs? - Wezzo 20:31, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

This would be a great idea I think.

82.40.75.55 19:47, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Improper Italics

I noticed that the names of the people who played the characters are italicised, which by conventional rules and standards of grammar, should not be so. I'd be bold and change them myself but am pressed for time. 4.225.23.235 06:36, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Lifetime Syndication

Unless I'm completely mistaken, it would be impossible for a show to begin a syndication run on February 29th, 2006. I was unable to find the actual start date of syndication. If anyone does find a more feasible date, please make sure to include it in this article.

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The answer to your question is March 6. Click the following link for more information pertaining to the syndication => http://www.sitcomsonline.com/blog/2006/01/lifetime-edits-march-schedule-before.html

[edit] Region 2

Can anyone tell me if and, if so, when I can buy seasons 5 through to 11 on REGION 2 encoding (ie. Europe)?

82.40.75.55 10:48, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

You can't they haven't been released yet, there are supposed to be plans to release season 5 in region 2 by the end of 2006


Paramount have unfortunately delayed releasing Season 5 on region 2 until early 2007 :-(.

82.40.75.55 22:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


Although Paramount have not issued a release date for any region 2 DVD box sets, Season 5 is expected to appear in the 2007 catalogue of Paramount releases. This is what I have been told in a private correspondence with someone from Paramount Home Entertainment (UK), the company responsible for region 2 releases.

Brandybordeaux 13:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

AN APPEAL FOR SOURCES

The section stating that there will be no future reason 2 releases cites no sources at all. Could someone please confirm if this is the case.

82.40.75.55 20:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I have put a source from the internet stating a possible release date of region 2 (07/12/06), but I am not stating this as definate.

82.40.75.55 21:16, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

having obtaineed a further source from the BBFC, it can be assumed that Season 5 shall soon be released, and I have updated this page to reflect this update.

82.40.75.55 19:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirection?

Can anyone explain why a search for "Chopper Dave" redirects to Frasier? Tentonbricks 17:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

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Chopper Dave was a member of the KACL radio team in the show. He presented the traffic reports from a helicopter.

[edit] Need help making episode lists

I need help finding out how to make episode lists to go at the side of pages such as the one used in Friends episode pages. I know at the top of the page there is a tag, but yeah... new to this. Little help?

greggykins 23:06, 08 June 2006 (GMT)

Replied on your user talk page. Icey 20:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Frasier Crane Day

During the credits of the Frasier Crane Day episode, where Frasier and Niles are trying to get to the Space Needle, it shows Kelsey Grammer during the real Frasier Crane Day in Seattle. It says that it took place on September 11, 1999. Is it celebrated annually, and if it is, did they change the day? 71.31.157.230 01:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

It happened once. To celebrate Frasier reaching one hundred episodes.

[edit] John M character on Cheers

While technically accurate to describe his character as a pianist -- because he did play the piano. It is misleading.

His role was an advertising man. In fact, he was the worst ad man in the firm, and was only assigned to Cheers because Rebecca had a laughably low budget. Recall that the only song he played was the tune of "Old McDonald"

Fair enough, though your version is somewhat POV. I'll try to strike a middle ground. Staxringold talkcontribs 04:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Not to beat a dead horse on an outstanding entry, but I believe it would be even more accurate to describe his character as a jingle writer. user:Mikedover

[edit] Shakespeare?

"Frasier perhaps owes its biggest debt to the comedies of Shakespeare, whose misheard eavesdroppings, character misrepresentations, punning, and exquisite timing live in every aspect of the show."

To me it feels like this is not neutral point of view and, without a source citing that the writers actual attribute this to Shakespeare, is mearly one wiki-writer's personal opinion. I would delete it... Those qualitys are probably present in every sitcom since the beginning of television... TheHYPO 06:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I fully agree. Whilst it should be noted that Frasier uses this much more than other sitcoms, it is not the only one to do this, so should not be inserted in this guise

82.40.75.55 19:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Daphne's accent

I have to query this, having lived in Northern England all my life, it is distinctly a Boltonian accent, or at a push a distinct North Western English accent. I know as far as Americans and most other nationals are aware Northern accents are all much of a muchness. Its quite distinct to me, my mum's family are from Bolton, so I used to visit them at least once a week, so I can notice it. Just my two cents, your opinions please (and I know its a pedants point :)) DannyM 19:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

That isnt a Bolton accent. Im from Bolton, and I can understand how you may think it sounds similar, but her accent is more of a North Yorkshire accent, but still definately not Manchester. Sadly no actors on the show have accurately had a Manchester accent (her ex and brothers are Cockney, her brother Nigel seems to be an American Cockney/Ozzy Osbourne mix but not much English at all, let alone Mancunian! The closest seems to be her mother, who has an accent fluctuating between southern and Northern, but at least legitimately English! TR_Wolf
I live in Scotland, and find all the northern accents similar, but also completly different!

Americans wouldn't be able to tell the difference, and I feel Daphne's accent is really unique.

82.40.75.55 20:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, but I wouldn't call it a Southern English accent, I think it's just an average Northern accent, I would say Gertrude (Daphne's mum) has a southern accent and her brothers seem to have Cockney accent. DannyM 20:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Halloween Episodes

In one year of Frasier, a holloween episode, the kids in Frasier building all were scared of Dr.Frasier Crane, because they thought he ate the brains of kids. One of the young boys, amongst the terrified children, reappeard the next year, in another Halloween episode, now living in Niles building, as the little boy getting revenge against Daphne's mother. Coincidence???? Or Error????.... It sure looks like the same little boy to me. Although, I do have to say, that for a show that ran as long as it did, it has very little continuity errors. Which is to be commended.

By the way, besides Fraiser, Donny, Dapne's ex-fiance, also appeared on Star Trek TNG, the episode, "Toy Man", or something to that nature.

[edit] The '97 Bordeaux

I just put a "citation needed" on the part that says During the first two seasons of Frasier, the writers famously attempted to fit the series' only punch line, 'the '97 Bordeaux', as many times as possible in one scene of dialogue. The record stands at 400 repetitions in just 3 minutes during a scene where Niles argues with a homeless man over the contents of his paperbag-concealed liquor..

I find no occurence at all of the word "Bordeaux" within the first two seasons by searching the transcripts [1] with my browser, and nothing like "the '97 Bordeaux" at all according to a google search of the site [2]. Could this simply be a hoax? Gee, I really have too much time on my hands. // E23 22:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Frasier began in 1993. What year would the '97 Bordeaux refer to? 1897? I'm no wine expert, but that feels like a far too old wine to be legitimate. TheHYPO 03:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I've removed this statement as it seem to be a hoax. // E23 10:41, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revisions

Corrected the authors of the title song. Corrected the reference to Kirstie Alley. I know what went down. I was there. Colorados' Amendment 2 was anti gay so why not call it that. Other stuff that needs correcting I didn't get around to: Aaron Eckhardt was not in the finale. Never heard Laverne and Shirley were filmed on Stage 25. One of the creators here. Thanks to all who help out with this site.

[edit] Storyline / Running gags

The running gags section seemed a bit superfluous and general, so I took the liberty of deleting it. In order that the information that was in this section still be provided in the article, I revamped the 'storyline' section so that it was more of an overall summary. I also tried to incorporate the more significant running gags / themes into this section and deleted the 'running gags' section.--Joseph Q Publique 07:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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