Talk:Frankish language

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I've removed this bit added by User:Rex Germanus:

Whether Dutch is or isn't the only direct descendant of a Frankish language, this doesn't belong on a disambiguation page because no one would ever say "Frankish" and mean "Dutch", just as one would never say "Latin" and mean "Italian". Certainly Dutch deserves mention in the Old Frankish language article, but not in the disambig.

As for Dutch being the only Frankish language, I'm no expert on Low Germanic language origins, but surely one of Limburgish, Luxembourgish, Frisian, or Plattsdeutsch is also Frankish? They have of course been influenced by High German dialects, but so has Dutch.

And, to be rather pedantic about it, there are at least two modern languages that are descendants of Frankish, since both Afrikaans are Modern Dutch are equally valid descendants of 17th century Dutch. (You can perhaps dispute that Afrikaans is a separate language, but Wikipedia says it is.) --Saforrest 16:28, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


Let me make this clear;

  • Limburgish - Not a language,but a Dutch dialect.Low Frankish though.
  • Luxembourgish - "language", but really a High German dialect.Not Frankish.
  • Frisian - Not a low Germanic language, not Frankish either
  • Plattsdeutsch - Not connected to Frankish

>>They have of course been influenced by High German dialects, but so has Dutch.<<

Dutch was not influenced by High German (dialects). That's why it's called Dutch and not German. Then on to this,

I would not dispute that Afrikaans is a separate language but it's link to Frankish is somewhat blurred it being a "semi-creol".As it has properties of many many other langauges, often outside the Germanic group.

Modern Dutch, is the Dutch spoken in the 17th century.So Afrikaans decends from modern Dutch. So not this pattern:

       |
       |
    17th CD 
      / \
     /   \ 
    /     \
   D       A

But:

       |
       |
    17th CD 
       | \
       |  \ 
       |   \
       D    A

Rex Germanus Tesi samanunga is edele unde scona 17:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Edits by User:Ulritz

Why has this user, after edit warring, made this edit[1]? Why has he removed valuable information and placed a link to a less specific article rather than the direct link in the previous version? Rex 23:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Frankish means the same as Franconian, no need to single out all the languages, this is a disamb page, keep it short and simple, and keep the info at the relevant pages. No more to it. Ulritz 23:36, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

This disamb page should point out everything it could mean.Which it did, now you merely create a link to a semi-disamb page and for what use?! Rex 23:42, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Frankish means Franconian in general. Feel free to create an appropriate redir/disamb at the Low Frankish page, but do not single it out here. Wed have to list all Franconian groups, which misses the point. Ulritz 23:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC) PS Redir works beautifuly.

[edit] Further false edits by Ulritz

Prove That all Franconian languages decend from Old Frankish first Ulritz, like I have proven that Dutch/Low Franconian does, then come back and lecture me about bad edits. Rex 10:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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