Talk:Francisco Gil-White

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This article was nominated for deletion on 26/7/2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

Contents 1 Jared Israel's claim that he fired Gil-White from TENC 2 Jared Israel comments 3 Notability 4 Deletion discussion ends in decision to keep

[edit] Jared Israel's claim that he fired Gil-White from TENC

After an email correspondance with Prof. Gil-White himself about this claim, I recieved the following response:

Dear Ryan,

In reply to your question concerning somebody's claim on my wiki page that I was fired by Jared Israel from Emperor's Clothes, this is false. I was never fired by Jared Israel because I was nevery in his employ. There was never a contract that made Jared Israel my employer. My work for Emperor's Clothes was volunteer work. Jared Israel and I had some differences and I quit. Moreover, since I was supporting Jared Israel and Emperor's Clothes financially, at the time, if anything it was I who employed Jared Israel. I have the email that I sent him, in which I quit, if Wikipedia needs to see it. But the whole thing seems rather irrelevant to me, and I doubt that every personal dispute a person has with another person needs to be on Wikipedia.

Best,

Francisco Gil-White

I have therefore removed all mention of such a firing, and I think it is best if the particular claims about Steven wise and the shoah, etc. be kept on the blog discussion pages they are on, as they don't seem too relevant to this biographical page.

As a further note, please keep all major edits on the discussion page before changing the bio. Ryan4^Talk 13:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jared Israel comments

Francisco Gil-White was deputy (i.e., assistant) editor at Emperor's Clothes (TENC) for two years. The 'firing' business is a straw man. I didn't fire Gil-White; I cancelled his posting privileges on TENC and removed his writing from the server because I found he had become demagogic, that he misrepresented his sources and that, while claiming he was more pro-Jewish than the Jews, his arguments sometimes mirrored those of Israel-baiters and antisemites. This was not a personal, in the sense of petty, dispute, but involved the core principles of TENC. Since setting up his own web site, Gil-White has unfortunately gone downhill. While claiming that he is continuing the work of TENC, he routinely violates scholarly ethics. He now not only misrepresents his data, but outright falsifies it. For example, in one text he took 9 words out of context from a thousand word 1938 article by Rabbi Stephen Wise, an article calling on Britain to provide sanctuary for the German Jews, and used this fragment as evidence that - in Gil-White's words - Rabbi Wise "got his wish" when the Holocaust took place. I traced Gil-White's falsified quotation to the actual article by Wise; I have posted my detective work here and Rabbi Wise's actual article here. I have checked other Gil-White documentation, and found that he frequently falsifies evidence, for example: misrepresenting the dates of quoted material; using ellipses in order to alter or reverse the thrust of quoted material; withholding vital information provided by his sources - and withholding important information about his sources - which information would contradict or undermine his arguments; and more.

Notably, it is four months since I publicly proved that Gil-White lied about what Rabbi Wise wrote but his libelous text remains unaltered on the Internet.

Jared Israel Exato 09:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I have deleted the external link you added per Wikipedia:External links guideline policies. Please do not add external links that are hosted on a site that you own or maintain. Cmart 22:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

As written, this bio makes little claim to the subject's notability. Searching on Google I see some disputes, but those aren't mentioned here. Either this article should be expanded to include the reasons for the subject's notability, or it should be nominated for deletion. -Will Beback 20:31, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I'm not at all convinced that he meets the standard of notability set out in Wikipedia:Notability (academics). -- ChrisO 20:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Speaking as a Briton, I'd say that he's one of the few U.S. academics that people over here might have heard of, even if he is usually referred to as "that guy who got fired by the University of Pensyllvania". 85.210.206.175 16:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Where do you hear about him? I checked the Guardian and the BBC, and neither had any record of him. -Will Beback 01:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion discussion ends in decision to keep

Furthermore, now that a first section describing his theories and why he is notable has been added, it seems like we can remove the "article nominated for deletion banner" at the top, yes? 24.188.92.147 21:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)