Talk:Franchi SPAS-12

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1 Removed pop culture section
2 US gunlaws vs. other countries
3 points of contention for this article:
4 Images
5 Photo

[edit] Removed pop culture section

I've deleted most of the pop culture section. The reason is that people were starting to use it as a dump to throw in all their favorite and obscure movies/games/books/anime/manga where the SPAS is visible for like, one frame. The same thing can be seen happening to FN P90, and I regret to admit that I'm partially responsible. Tronno 18:43, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

The firearms pop culture impact is a important aspect of the firearm's existence. Its not our job to restrict people access to this information. Ve3 15:59, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

This is not a question of censorship. It's just that long lists of games and movies are unencyclopedic - merely saying that they exist is sufficient. I discussed this issue with with the admin A Man in Black and he agrees. See Talk:FN P90 in popular culture for an explanation. Tronno 20:50, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Deleting content and links to other pages does indeed restrict access to the information. Removing a whole aspect of a firearms existence- censoring, is not our job, nor is it a service to the people who are interested in it. Ve3 21:01, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I suggest a compromise. Link from instances of pop culture to the gun article, but not vice versa. That way, the information is targeted at interested parties, clutter is still removed, and there will be no "censoring". Agreed? Tronno 22:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] US gunlaws vs. other countries

Is it relevant to write in nearly every gunarticle what US gunlaws say about that particular weapon. I can get licence nearly everykind of weapon if I want to (if I had money to buy them) so US gunlaw isn't really the issue in most of the world. --81.197.218.62 17:22, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

US gun laws are relevant in two ways: 1. the US civilian gun market dwarfs that of most other countries, and when it is mentioned in an article it should not come as a surprise. More importantly, 2. the official meaning of the SPAS acronym was formulated solely with the US market in mind (shotguns are illegal in the US, except those that are found to be "particularly suitable for sporting purposes" - that's why the S stands for "sporting"). In this case, US gun laws are a big issue indeed. If you can write content about foreign laws and their unique relevance to the SPAS-12, go ahead. Otherwise, I feel your edits are unnecessarily splitting the article. Tronno (talk | contribs) 16:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] points of contention for this article:

First, the discussion about "sporting purpose" for shotguns seems to presuppose that "sporting purpose" in and of itself is a well defined legal definition for some specific type of weapon when in actually this term is very much an ambiguous one - much like the oft used "assualt weapon".

Second, The article's description about its marketing in the US suggests that Franchi tried to side step US regulations by renaming it for "sporting purposes" to my knowledge this is not the case since the "destructive device" reclassifications only occurred in 1994. In fact aside from the unique heat shield the SPAS-12's function is identical to other shotguns. It is also misleading to say that its ban is due to classification as a "military shotgun" since this is a term which again has no agreed upon definition. this is the reason the SPAS-12 has been referred to specifically by name in so-called "assault weapon" legislation rather than fall into a specific classification.

The SPAS-12 can be said to have been banned for cosmetic purposes only as a "scary-looking" weapon rather than due to any destructive advantage it might be thought to possess. --Zenophite1 18:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

SIGH. Does anybody have a picture of the SPAS-12 that won't be deleted by the tight-arse policy lovers? Articles without pictures are somehow incomplete. Gamer Junkie 04:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)