Talk:France-Hayhurst family
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[edit] Notability
Below is the content of a discussion between Salinae and Nishkid64 concerning notability of the France-Hayhurst family following a speedy deletion, which resulted in the page being reinstated.
You have deleted my article on the France Hayhurst family. I cannot find any reference to the deletion request in any AfD. Could you please clarify the reason why the article was deleted? Salinae 09:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- I deleted the article under CSD A7 as I believed it was not a very notable family. I still do think the family itself is not notable in a more general respect, but if you disagree, I would appreciate if you could provide me with some references as to why the family is notable. Thanks. Nishkid64 17:16, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- The France-Hayhurst's were one of the major landowning families in mid-Cheshire from the late 18th century until the middle of the twentieth century (see for example http://archive.thisischeshire.co.uk/2003/7/9/168776.html and http://www2.valeroyal.gov.uk/internet/vr.nsf/0/C3845BE12FD7B0B28025715E004B3D13/$file/bostock.pdf, which were linked to in the original article). In the mid-nineteenth century the France-Hayhurst's were responsible for the redevelopment of Bostock Green (a model village like Bournville or Port Sunlight, although on a smaller scale). Again, this information was included in the original stub article. The France-Hayhurst's were so intertwined with the history of the area that it is extremly difficult to write a comprehensive history of the area without refering to them (for example vicar of St. Michael and All Angels, Middlewich, dedication of Middlewich cenotaph, foundation stones of many local schools and civic buildings). Salinae 22:09, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- Given the above will you please un-delete the article. If you disagree will you please let me know why the France-Hayhursts were not notable? Salinae 23:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- The article on the family did have references but I don't see how they are notable outside of Cheshire. I mean...if you just google "France-Hayhurst" you only get 350 hits, which doesn't really seem to justify the family's notability. Nishkid64 23:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- The notability outside of Cheshire is irrelevant, under Wikipedia:Notability (people) allows for "Major local political figures who receive (or received) significant press coverage", and also "100 year test (future speculation) -- In 100 years time will anyone without a direct connection to the individual find the article useful?". In addition to the significant quantity of newspaper articles written about the France-Hayhursts (the most recent in 2003) I can point to at least two books published within the past 30 years which discuss members of the France-Hayhurst family who had died 100 years previously. Also your 'google test' doesn't work, since (1) the internet is relatively poor with information pre-1990, and (2) the family gave their name to significant numbers of local structures, but under the name "Hayhurst" (which has 517,000 hits). Please un-delete the article. If, for technical reasons, you cannot undelete the article, then let me know and I will re-create it. Salinae 00:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- The article on the family did have references but I don't see how they are notable outside of Cheshire. I mean...if you just google "France-Hayhurst" you only get 350 hits, which doesn't really seem to justify the family's notability. Nishkid64 23:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- Given the above will you please un-delete the article. If you disagree will you please let me know why the France-Hayhursts were not notable? Salinae 23:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- The France-Hayhurst's were one of the major landowning families in mid-Cheshire from the late 18th century until the middle of the twentieth century (see for example http://archive.thisischeshire.co.uk/2003/7/9/168776.html and http://www2.valeroyal.gov.uk/internet/vr.nsf/0/C3845BE12FD7B0B28025715E004B3D13/$file/bostock.pdf, which were linked to in the original article). In the mid-nineteenth century the France-Hayhurst's were responsible for the redevelopment of Bostock Green (a model village like Bournville or Port Sunlight, although on a smaller scale). Again, this information was included in the original stub article. The France-Hayhurst's were so intertwined with the history of the area that it is extremly difficult to write a comprehensive history of the area without refering to them (for example vicar of St. Michael and All Angels, Middlewich, dedication of Middlewich cenotaph, foundation stones of many local schools and civic buildings). Salinae 22:09, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
