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FoxTrot has had a peer review by Wikipedia editors which is now archived. It may contain ideas you can use to improve this article.

Maybe someone can put up the 2005-05-08 comic onto the page, since it's content is about wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.66.219.193 (talk • contribs).

It's there. See the popular culture section. - Mike | Talk 20:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I have copied and pasted the peer review also to the link directed to by the template - so both versions work. Hopefully, this will clear up a bit of the confusion. –- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 05:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Compliments to the chef, this is great! -- user:zanimum

I'm curious who 172.194.154.79 is...seems like some of the changes they made almost seem to be selling FoxTrot...maybe an editor at the syndicate...or, dare I say it, Bill Amend himself? who knows...

--JonMoore 19:02, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

More likely, 24.107.41.241 is AndrewDavis who is Bill Amend.

cryptic grin* Because I know something you don't :D

crud --JonMoore 19:09, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I saw that Paige's biology teacher was called Mr. Wu. I looked at an old FoxTrot comic and found he is named Dr. Ting, and I changed it. Is there an older one calling him Mr. Wu?

No he was never called Mr. Wu.

^He was called Dr. Wu in at least one strip before he was known as Dr. Ting.

I know what you know too. It is that you are Bill Amend's editor! That was for you Jon Moore.

If you came here looking for the morse code translation, it's "I will rule you all."

I think the morse code was "Someday I will rule you all." Wclark3 04:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Few Comments

Should we link the Warthog article to Paige Fox? Also, who is Dave. I have read every FoxTrot anthology and have read the comics almost everyday for the past four years, and I don't remeber a Dave. I don't even rember anyone besides Jason who writes computer programs, particulary .net programs. Also, I think Andy still is a newspaper columnist, despite what the article says. Mred64 21:21, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

No, it's probably not necessary to link Paige to Warthog. Such a minor mention in one little strip (albeit THE strip that mainstreamed Wikipedia, which made me jump for joy earlier when I read it) isn't enough to link the page itself to the page in question [1]. We can talk about it all we like on this talk page, however. --DXI 05:29, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I meant it as a joke. Although, do you know about Dave? I still don't remember hearing about him. And I thought Andy still was a newspaper columnist. If you can show me a comic that proves me wrong, I'll gladly go along with it. Mred64 23:54, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

Image:FoxTrot Paige.JPG

The main characters list seems a little uneven with just Paige's picture and no one else's. I realize that the picture in question was originally added for some humorous vandalism, but could it be possible to get similar pictures of the rest of the Fox family? --DXI 01:52, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

You could. However, I think that image of Paige is a link on the Foxtrot website. I can't remember if each family member has a picture. If you can somehow take those images and place them in Wikipedia, without violating copyright laws, then someone with the know-how can probably get an image of each character from the website. Would someone break copyright law if they were to directly take the images from the FoxTrot website? Also, could someone copy those images, if acceptable, from the website and paste them into Wikipedia? Mred64 22:57, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Maybe we should ask Bill Amend for permission. Obviously, he must frequent Wikipedia (hence the comic) and, frankly, the first thing I would look up if I were he, is this article (or Bill Amend). Logic dictates that Amend has seen this article, maybe even edited it (which could explain some of the cryptic comments above). Please Mr. Amend, let us use your drawings!--[[User:JonMoore|—Jo nMo ore 20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 02:59, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Even if he wanted to, he may not be able to give permission. The one we are using was uploaded under a "fair use" justification. That may be OK, but I don't know if using all of the pictures from that profile page would be fair use. Jonathunder 03:09, 2005 May 13 (UTC)

My only concern is how it looks compared to the rest of the main characters' profiles. It seems weird with only Paige there without the rest of them. I'd upload more images myself, but images really aren't my specialty on the 'pedia. Of course, it would be cool if Amend himself were to upload the pictures, as long as it doesn't create any conflict of interest with the rest of the article's content (hint hint, Bill, if you see this, haha). --DXI 22:04, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Since people are talking a lot, even if not about the subject I want to know, does anyone know about Andy and Dave? Did Dave exist in the comics? The article talks about someone called Dave. Second, the article gave me the feeling Andy isn't a newspaper columnist anymore. I thought she still wrote a column, and I haven't read anything in the comics to make me feel otherwise. Granted, she hasn't been seen writing for the paper in the comics for a while, but I think she still writes a column. Also, how can we get permission to use the other FoxTrot characters' pictures? Mred64 17:06, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

The topic at hand isn't Andy's career or a character named Dave, it's about what to do with the character pictures. Personally, I say we should remove Paige's picture if we decide against uploading any pictures of the rest of the family. --DXI 04:25, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Section in Article

I'm thinking of adding a new section to the article, along the lines of "Places in FoxTrot." It would discuss the various places the Fox family goes to, mainly in their vacations. There could be a section on Fun-Fun Mountain, Cactus Flats, Uncle Ralph's cabin, etc. Would this be appropriate, or since these places really don't come up again often in the comic, would it be better left out? Mred64 21:54, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

It would seem no one has any objections to me creating this section, so I'm going to start working on it sometime this week. If you feel this section is inappropriate, or would like to make a comment about it, please tell me. Mred64 22:55, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Anyone notice that the FoxTrot home is not mentioned as a "Places in FoxTrot." If that is where most of the comic happens, should it be mentioned?

Above comment by User:205.166.175.2 at 08:54, 29 June 2005

I think most people skipped it because, we don't know much about it. We know it is in a suburb, it has a basement, and it is at least two stories. The comic never adresses that much about the house. Rooms have different background colors even in the same strip. Spatial relations between rooms seem to depend on punchlines, as do decorations and knick knacks. I just don't think putting it in would do that much, because we can't definitively write much about it. Mred64 07:41, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Also, the beginning of the Fox Family section seems to provide a lot of information about where they live. If people think its wise, then perhaps that section should be moved under a Fox Family Home heading in "Places in FoxTrot." Mred64 07:52, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Featured Article

Does anyone else think that this article could be worthy of Featured Article status? I mean this article looks really, really good. It seems very wikified in that it links to many other articles, it is facutally accurate, and it has almost all the relevant information one could ask for. If anyone thinks so, maybe someone could put it up for nomination. Mred64 22:17, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

I think we should put it up for Peer Review first, and get a feel for it. --[[User:JonMoore|—Jo nMo ore 20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 22:40, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

OK then. I didn't really know what Wikipedia Peer Review was. Who thinks we should submit a request that it be peer reviewed? What should we stress that people specifically look at, etc? What should we say about the article? -- Mred64 15:02, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

The problem is that it doesn't use too much encylopedic language currently. "who unfortunately turned out to be a total dweeb" - doesn't seem that way. Should be corrected. I don't have the time now. -- Natalinasmpf 01:00, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think some of the wording is OK, because the example you gave is a quote, and some of the other things are paraphrased from the comic. But I'll look at it. Mred64 18:28, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

I suppose this article could be up to something. However, it does need bit of a cleanup. But for sure, this article has gone a long way since I last saw it, which was probably about 2005 or something. I would definetly nominate this if I knew how. -HuBmaN!!!! 14:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help!

I'm having a hard time finding answers to some of the questions asked in the peer review. I have tried to Goggle search whether FoxTrot has won any awards, and as far as I can tell, it hasn't. I have been unable to find out how many newspapers it is run in, or anything abouts its circulation. Can someone help me? Also, to answer the merchandising question, has anyone ever heard of bootleg or illegal FoxTrot merchandise?Mred64 04:48, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

I just added a merchandise section, but it could use some help. Mred64 05:00, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] More about Bill Amend

Some quick things I have to say about that last section. One, is it really necessary? I mean, it's just a copy-paste of part of the website's FAQ. Two, if it's about Bill Amend, shouldn't it go under his article? Mred64 03:59, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm being bold and getting rid of the FAQ. It's not encyclopedic, it's a copy of the website, and it just seems really out of place. Mred64 05:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

If anyone really wants the FAQ, I guess they could put reword the information from it and put in the article, but I would not recommend putting the entire FAQ back or even putting that information in. None of the other comic strip articles seem that way. Mred64 05:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes from FoxTrot and "More about Bill Amend"

Yes, I agree that the FAQ should be taken out... it just seemed out of place in the whole article. Also, I think personally that all quotes from FoxTrot should been taken out of the article - they should be transferred over to the WikiQuotes page for FoxTrot and not to the Wikipedia article.

Also, can anyone scan in pictures of all the characters? Also, I just added the whole list of the collections and anthologies (the pictures were from Amazon.com, thanks to them!) and it would also be great if someone who knows the range of the comic strip dates could enter that information into the WikiTable...

--Kungming2 01:03, 17 January 2006 (UTC)Kungming2

It's Katie O'Dell, not Kate. Kungming2 18:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

The pictures are a nice touch. Mred64 03:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Second stab at Peer Review?

Should we submit for a second peer review and see what's the response?

Kungming2 07:41, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I say yes. The article has now incorporated most of the changes from the last peer review that we could do. Mred64 03:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I was looking at the old peer review page and I've got most of it ready for a second submission. HOwever, I can't find the original request for peer review and it says that you are supposed to show where it is. Can someone find it? Mred64 22:47, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Russian Roullete edit

Somebody forgot to check their sources. In the Jason character subheading, it mentions that he plays TV channel russian roulette, a game in which Jason or Peter toggles the remote until the other asks the first to stop, and then watching that channel for thirty minutes. Somebody linked "TV Channel Russian Roulette" to Russian Roulette (game show), although the two are entirely unrelated.

[edit] Critique needed

I think that a section about criticism is needed. FoxTrot has been critiqued as boring, white, unfunny, and so forth. This belongs.

--Defenestrate

That's a good idea, but I've never heard that before. I don't know how well we could put that in without specific sources, because it may just come off as random views without them. Mred64 01:11, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

To clarify, some discussion about how FoxTrot compares to other cartoons, positively and negatively, would be useful. And you're right: boring, white, unfunny are words I would use, and I'm not sure where the sources are.

Defenestrate

Yeah, you're right - but it will be a big hassle trying to find comic strip reviewers. Also, One thing I noticed - it seems as if everybody wants to put in their favorite incident that happened in FoxTrot into this article - that makes for a bloated, kind-of boring, and very unencyclopedic article. We should not do as such.

-Kungming2 06:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree about the criticism section. But this is just my opinion, but I think Foxtrot is a lot better than most of the other comics in my paper. (cough)Marmaduke(/cough) 216.250.1.243 (public)

[edit] Need More Eyes

If we really want to try to put this up for Peer Review again, we have to find the original peer review request. Has anyone else tried to look for it? Who made the original request? Does anyone know what could have happened to it? I can't find it the archives. Mred64 02:40, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

For the record, the first PR is here: Wikipedia:Peer review/FoxTrot/Archive1. Powers 02:04, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not the first Peer Review we need (that was easy to find), it's the first Request for Peer Review. Mred64 01:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the article is bloated and boring.

[edit] Jason's GPA

I know this is a minute detail, but if we're going to mention it at all, we should be accurate. The current article reads that Jason has an A++++ average, but I can recall a strip in which Jason complains about getting an A+++ on his math test because with such a grade, he'll never keep up his "A+++++ average". Does anyone have a definitive answer for this? If it changes, than we probably shouldn't mention it at all. --Kahlfin 15:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think that we should refrain from putting an exact "A++++" score - it would just lead to confusion among different people who would swear that they had seen something in an archive that it was in fact something different, and so on. Just the fact that he has a really high (maybe impossibly-high) GPA and grades is enough - this is a small matter.

Kungming2 05:50, 29 March 2006 (UTC

[edit] Character List Controversy

I say that the character list should stay on the page. It's beneficial to the article. I mean, a FoxTrot article without any descriptions of the characters? It doesn't make any sense. --scotty 01:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I think that the character list is important to the subject, but not to the article. There is just too much information there on the main page. Additionally, the article is too large following Wikipedia's article size conventions. We could potentially leave the "Main" character section on this page and have a link to an article to the effect of "List of other FoxTrot characters." Any thoughts? ----Dana
IMO, we should shoted the main chracther bio, put the stuff we have in a new actrilce for each one
Hmmm.... I don't really know. On one hand, I think it's really nice that we have the characters in the main article so someone who actually wants to learn more about FoxTrot can view it along with the rest of the information - that's the system they still use on Calvin and Hobbes. However, I think that people in general add too much stuff and detail to the characters list that it loses relevance and becomes a mere listing of various events that character went through. My opinion is that the main list should be made into a new article, but that a small explanation of each character remain on the Main Page, along with a link to that character's section on the second page. What does everyone think?

Kungming2 02:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

- I concur with Kungming2. Powers 14:48, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with Kungming2 as well. Maybe we could put all the character pictures in that article too. Mred64 01:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Hey everyone, I am not involved in the FoxTrot article, but I am an active contributor of the Lost page, as well as many other. I suggest a format similar to many television show pages -- a list of the characters (so that information is included on the main page) and a separate article on the characters of FoxTrot. I definitely think the article is getting sort of long and a "Characters of FoxTrot" page is appropriate. Kungming's suggestion seems good! Danflave 03:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Kungming2, but I originally created a seperate article for Jason Fox on a seperate page with a link from the main article, but that was added to the FoxTrot article. I have no idea why, but it seems that we want to do something that's already been done and prevented. --redwhite 18:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC) 22:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

When did you make that a separate article? If you did it a long time ago, the article may not have been long enough to merit creating a separate article for Jason. Also, the new article that we are talking about would include all the main characters, not just Jason, so it would be longer and seem more relevant. Mred64 05:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I checked the page, and it appears the Jason Fox page was created on 15 January 2006, not by the user redwhite, but actually by another user named Scottishlad0932 [2]. I was the one who redirected it back to the main article, as its length at that time did not merit the creation of a seperate article, and that also none of the other characters had their own seperate articles. Furtheremore, the Jason Fox page was basically a repeat of the content on this main FoxTrot page. –- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 06:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

As the consensus appears to be for spinning off the Characters list, I will begin doing so within a few days. I will also spin off the table of books, just like the Calvin and Hobbes article. –- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 18:42, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you kungming. If you need any help, let me know. ---You're My Juli e t 15:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

The list of books have been spun off to List of FoxTrot books. I'm still going to do the Characters page, but it's maddenly complicated and I'll probably work on it in my sandbox first. –- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 18:31, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "An homage" versus "a homage."

There has been a constant edit war between having the line about the Calvin and Hobbes snowmen to be "an homage" or "a homage." Could we reach a consensus please? Why don't we go to the original comic and see how it is worded there. --You're My Juli e t 11:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I know I have the strip in one of the books I own but going through each strip (even if I just stick to winter strips) looking for it is not feasible. If we could narrow it down to a year, I could do it. Powers 14:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I think it's in one of the books in Foxtrotious Maximus, because I don't really remember this particular strip and that's the only set of books I don't have. --You're My Juli e t 02:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Good call. I found in I think early 2003 (they're not dated but it's the second winter after the 9/11 strips). It's "an homage". Powers 12:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Excellent! An example of how well Wikipedia can work. From now on, it's settled as "an homage," NOT "a homage." ---You're My Juli e t 14:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Doomulus prime

This is a real WoW item, checked thottbot. "Citation needed" tag removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 146.246.233.10 (talk • contribs) .

I think you misunderstand the purpose of that tag. It's not meant to say "someone thinks this is untrue"; it means "this fact needs a source". Saying you looked it up isn't good enough; that's not a verifiable reference. We need a real, reliable source. I've put the tag back. Powers 22:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure how citation works, so someone will need to do the nitty gritty for me, but here's various sites that cite. I'm so witty. http://www.thottbot.com/?i=53171 http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=22348 http://www.wowwiki.com/Doomulus_Prime

And the comic in question... http://www.pheardomo.com/forums/uploads/post-5-1138627678.gif Note that the Doomulus Prime in the comic and the Doomulus Prime in the game have different stats. Otherwise that'd be bad.

Amusingly, Jason finds it in the "Serpent Lord's Lair," when in the game you need to defeat a boss modeled after a Snake (known as "Snake Boss", amazingly enough) in order to get it.

-Ryanbomber 22:07, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please help add references

Hi, I'm adding references to the article. Please help if you can, using the compilation books as a source. Thank you! - Addaone 02:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Forking

At 61KB, this article desperately needs to be forked off. I started with List of minor FoxTrot characters, but that only brought it down to 58KB. How about having the family members be forked off into List of FoxTrot family members? All the popular culture stuff should be forked off into something else, too; I don't know what to call it. List of FoxTrot references? Things? Items? Hbdragon88 00:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Removing the family members would cut it down to 31KB. Hbdragon88 00:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I have spun off the family members but both that page and the remaining section could be better cleaned up. Eluchil404 01:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redrict?

Why does "FoxTort" redrict to to the disambiguation page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NFAN3 (talk • contribs) .

I'm not sure, indeed FoxTrot used to be the title of the page on the comic. I have switched the target. Eluchil404 01:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I have notified an admin and I am hoping to move the article back to FoxTrot soon. - Mike 18:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Now moved. - Mike 18:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hatnote

Should the article include a hatnote linking to Foxtrot (disambiguation)? I think such a link would be usefull to users for various reasons and should be included, but the page has been reverted back and forth between the various versions and so I thought a general discussion was called for to determine consensus. Eluchil404 22:53, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The answer is no. Please see Wikipedia:Disambiguation. (If you wish to change the guidelines, that is also the place to discuss it.) Dagnabit 23:11, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I think that you are misinterpreting the guideline, not that it needs to be changed. That's why I'm asking here what others think. I will abide by the locally determined consensus, but it will take several days (at least) to assess. Eluchil404 23:19, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

You are seeking to change the use of disambiguation notes -- not for disambiguation but for a case of a (not very likely) misspelling. You may discuss changing the guideline at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation. Dagnabit 11:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Huh? I thought a hatnote would be obvious in this case. How is "FoxTrot" not an obvious possible "misspelling" of Foxtrot or Fox trot? Powers ^T 19:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Just for the record, the hatnote was originally added by Meelar (talk • contribs) on August 10, 2004 diff. It has been removed by Dagnabit 3 times between September 30 and October 8. Eluchil404 23:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] under Scientific references

I found this "Both these elements add a layer of superfluous complexity to the strip, and juxtaposed with the odd circumstances in which they appear, give FoxTrot a uniquely surreal air." (!) new to wiki but not new to encyclopedia. the article should stick to the facts. Critique has no room or should only be done under a seperate heading by known experts(?). Let me know. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Armybrat (talk • contribs) .

Absolutely correct. Pop culture topics traditionally get a bit of a pass on such things, but this may be crossing the line. You could stick a {{fact}} tag on it, which will give an indication that the assertion needs to be cited. You could remove it entirely, making sure to specify why in your edit summary. Or you could bring it up here, as you've done, and wait for someone else to take care of it. =) Powers ^T 01:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No longer a daily strip

From a news release at amuniversal.com, 2006-12-05:

Bill Amend’s popular FoxTrot comic strip will go to a Sunday-only publication schedule as of Dec. 31, 2006, announced Universal Press Syndicate today. The last daily will be Saturday, Dec. 30. Reruns of dailies will be available for Web usage.

"After spending close to half of my life writing and drawing FoxTrot cartoons, I think it's time I got out of the house and tried some new things," said Amend. "I love cartooning and I absolutely want to continue doing the strip, just not at the current all-consuming pace. I've been blessed over the years with a terrific syndicate, patient newspaper clients, and more support from readers than I probably deserve, and I want to assure them all that while I'll be now a less-frequent participant on the comics pages, I'll continue to treat my visits as the special privilege they are."

— Loadmaster 19:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split again

Someone crated the List of FoxTrot family members, which had been reverted and moved back here. I'm splitting it off again. This article is 80KB and insaney long. Splitting it off brings this article down to 46KB. Not bad, still could be shorter, but I think this is a far better solution than to keep it all in this giant article. Hbdragon88 23:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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