Talk:Fourteen Words

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The Fourteen Words are a Neo-Nazi slogan which was coined by improsoned The Order member, David Lane. They state "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children." It is often used as a recruiting tool at places like gun shows and is commonly used as a greeting by fellow Neo-Nazis to affirm ones affiliation with White Pride. It is also often spraypainted or used to deface property in order to mark "turf" in prisons and other urban areas so it is also considered a gang symbol.

Changed from neo-nazi to white nationalist. If someone say 'Future for black childern' is he a black neo-nazi ? AlV 09:23, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't know but I think you're a white neo-nazi or at least a nazi sympathizer.

No, I think he's just enforcing the NPoV. I too hate these people, but the correct term for these racist freaks should be used.

agreed. In normal discourse I'd call them nazis, but for an academic article white nationalist or supremacist should be used. The Ungovernable Force 05:28, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Black Entertainment Television, Black Panthers, Black Pride, Global Black Forum website, One Hundred Black Men in Law Enforcement organization, Historically Black Towns and Universities, Black History Month etc. Black nazis?

Oh, poor whites being discriminated against. "Boo hoo, we aren't allowed to talk about race but the blacks can. It's just not fair. Waaah." C'mon, there's a big difference between an oppressed group showing pride in the face of discrimination and a dominant group attempting to portray themselves as victims who need to fight to "secure [an] existence" when they already have authority and power over the other groups. Especially when the people in the latter group often use their supposed oppression as an excuse to further oppress minorities. The Ungovernable Force 04:24, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

The Unthinking Force: Discrimination is discrimination in any format, racism is racism in any format. As far as I'm concerned the "blacks talking about race" can be heard on any contemporary rap album from these so called "artists". How many times have they used the word nigger or other such terms? More importantly, would you say that such albums or even the earlier writings of Malcolm X are anything but unabashed racism? Racism comes in many forms and it affects everyone. I strongly suggest you disassociate yourself from this article, you show a startling inability to stay NPOV for such a sensitive topic.

[edit] Anarchist 14 words?

The Anarchist Fourteen Words is an Anti-nationalist phrase used by Anti-fascists. The slogan was coined by Tony Blackplait, a member of Vennaskond. It states: We must secure the existence of Earth people and a future for all children. It is often used as a greeting to affirm one's affiliation with Anarchism, and is a parody of the 'Fourteen Words' attributed to White Power. Um, I'm an anarchist and I've never heard this, and I sure have never used it as a greeting to affirm my anarchist beliefs. Is there a source for this? I do think it is funny, and I think this is a clever way to insert a pro-anarchist message in a neo-nazi page, but it should be sourced because I'm doubtful of the validity of this. The Ungovernable Force 05:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I can't find any trace of their usage on the Internet. -Will Beback 06:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, the guy who coined it was apparently Estonian, so perhaps it's an Estonian phrase translated into English for this article. But I think that's a stretch, as it would be strange to make an Estonian pun on an English phrase and end up with the same number of words in both translations. Google searches for ""Tõnu Trubetsky", "Tonu Trubetsky" and "Tony Blackplait" combined with "fourteen words" turn up zilch. I've removed it for the moment, erring on the side of verifiability, and I'll ask the guy who put it in (RobotF [1]) where he heard it. You'd've thought anything used by anarchists would turn up at least once on Google. --Malthusian (talk) 09:18, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

The Anarchist 14 Words are in his book "The Anarchists".--Munn 11:35, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I've referenced the paragraph. --Malthusian (talk) 12:22, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stub?

Since we have the phrase's definition, its inventor, its origin and two examples of use, is this really still a stub? --Malthusian (talk) 09:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Now that we've got the Anarchist section back in, referenced, I'm removing the stub template. I'm not overly familiar with stub usage but it does seem that we've expanded this beyond that point. --Malthusian (talk) 12:22, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ADL

Why is ADL link here? They are not an authority on anything. They are just promoting racial interests of their own group.

Worse, it's completely biased. They don't seem like a credible, factual, information giver anyway. Their website reads like a tabloid.