Talk:Ford (disambiguation)

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Almost every link to this page refers to the Ford Motor Company. I don't look forward to trying to change all the links. I propose moving this page to something like Ford (stream) and changing the few pages that refer to this topic. Then this page can be made a redirect to Ford Motor Company. I know I created this page but I don't remember why. Would anyone oppose this move? Rmhermen 17:26, Jun 10, 2004 (UTC)

I feel that the failure by some editors to use "Ford Motor Company" shouldn't really be condoned by over-riding the use of Ford for the one purpose (especially as it a business name and an abbreviation so somewhat US-centric). Arguably though the current content should move and ford become the primary disambig page rather than the current follow-me routing. --VampWillow 21:14, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I'd like to see this moved to something like Ford (stream). I really don't like these dictionary definitions (Wikipedia is not a dictionary), but I don't think it needs to be deleted. --Nate Silva 23:49, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] WP:POINT

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Before you consider redirected this page to Ford disambiguation, please check the What links here and change the many, many pages that link to Ford Motor Company to the correct target. Please don't make Wikipedia harder to use by sending people to a page that they don't want to see. Rmhermen 14:32, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

You have also to think twice before redirecting a former President of the United States to a car company. Cities were not built where the roads are crossing a river at a car company, and I am unaware of city named OxMotor. If you consider the minority of links to be not to Ford Motor Company, fix them! I'll fix the rest with a bot. This page has to be listed as unresolved disambiguation problem and you should not showel that problem under the carpet. -- Goldie (tell me) 16:31, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I do fix them about twice a year. Please help. Rmhermen 17:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was don't move. —Nightstallion (?) 12:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Request to move this page was filed at WP:RM#26 May 2006:

[edit] Survey

  • Support as requester. Goldie (tell me) 17:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose this is a prima facie case of a primary topic. While there are many other meanings for the word Ford, these are addressed by the disambiguation page. The principle of least surprise suggests that if 99% of the time people are looking for the company, then the link should go to the company. older ≠ wiser 18:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Bkonrad's reasoning was the same reasoning I used when I set up the disambiguation. Rmhermen 18:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
    Citation from above: "I know I created this page but I don't remember why." Don't you think that by keeping the page redirected to the company you are making a self-fulfilling prophecy? Goldie (tell me) 21:51, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
    That was a comment placed on the Ford page before it was moved to Ford (disambiguation). Rmhermen 17:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. This is simply to remove the redirect to the Dab page. There is no reason not to do that. I'm not sure there is any data to support a claim that 99% of the useage is for the auto company. Vegaswikian 18:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - the car company is obviously the primary topic. john k 15:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - leave the diambig page the way it is, make Ford redirect to Ford Motor Company Karrmann 15:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose, the car is the primary topic by far. —BorgHunter (talk) 02:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose "Ford" should redirect to "Ford Motor Company" --Philip Baird Shearer 23:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

  • The meaning of Ford (crossing) is a name or part of the name of way too many places centuries before any man have founded a car company. Many more people are bearing the name Ford without being relatives to the company founder or otherwise related to the company. -- Goldie (tell me) 17:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I think a partial relief would be a section or a separate disambiguation page for the company with divisions and car models. The page as it is now does not list them, and a visitor following a link to the dab-page does not know where to direct it. That way the burden of disambiguation would be distributed. -- Goldie (tell me) 18:04, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I have also to point that actually rather small number of links are aimed towards the company but many of them are targeting particular models. Goldie (tell me) 11:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Ford (crossing) is not a particularly encyclopedic topic. It is a dictionary word. john k 15:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
  • For clarity -- this is not only about a simple move. A support vote is that the disambiguation page should reside at Ford. An oppose vote is that Ford should be a redirect to Ford Motor Company. If there is no consensus to move the disambiguation page to "Ford", then Ford should be a redirect to the company. older ≠ wiser 13:25, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I've moved your comment as it changes the topic. How should one vote if he/she opposes the move but prefers Ford to redirect to something else? Maybe you would prefer to ignore the opinions of VampWillow & Nate Silva (expressed above) because they do not support your POV. -- Goldie (tell me) 15:23, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
      • These questions are intrinsically linked. If this requested move does not have consensus support, do you agree that Ford by implication should not be a redirect to the disambiguation page? The comments of VampWillow & Nate Silva above have no direct bearing on the current survey as it occured almost two years ago and it would be presumptuous to attribute interpretations to them without further clarification. (BTW I see that you have already invited them to participate.) older ≠ wiser 17:34, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
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