Talk:FN P90 in popular culture
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I created this page because the the main P90 article was getting cluttered with obscure TV shows/books/anime where this gun made the briefest appearance. It contains information collated from various out-of-date edits. See the history page at P90 for a full list of authors. Tronno
- Is there a reason we need a list of all the times the P90 appears in fiction? I thought the paragraphs I wrote summarized things quite nicely, without degenerating into this sort of listcruft. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:47, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
- You're right. The thing is, the original Pop Culture section was also a short encyclopedic paragraph, and people kept tagging stuff to it until it grew into a huge list. You trimmed it back down, but then it started growing almost immediately. So I figured people need an outlet for this kind of thing - this page. The list format keeps it readable. However, if you want to revert, feel free. Tronno 20:00, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
- Hm. Well, I could redirect this back to the FN P90 article, then just patrol the pop culture section. There's no need to have unencyclopedic articles just to have an outlet for cruft. What do you think?- A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:09, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Sorry for causing so much trouble. :) Tronno 20:20, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
- No trouble at all, not at all. You did exactly the right thing as far as content forking goes; there was just an (amicably resolved) disagreement about whether we needed the content at all.
- I'm going to go ahead and redirect this to FN P90, then add a commented-out note to the pop culture section cautioning against making it a list. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:29, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Sorry for causing so much trouble. :) Tronno 20:20, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
- Hm. Well, I could redirect this back to the FN P90 article, then just patrol the pop culture section. There's no need to have unencyclopedic articles just to have an outlet for cruft. What do you think?- A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:09, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
- You're right. The thing is, the original Pop Culture section was also a short encyclopedic paragraph, and people kept tagging stuff to it until it grew into a huge list. You trimmed it back down, but then it started growing almost immediately. So I figured people need an outlet for this kind of thing - this page. The list format keeps it readable. However, if you want to revert, feel free. Tronno 20:00, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
As expected, the reverts at FN P90 have started up again. I'm de-redirecting this page to move the cruft away from the serious part of the article. This time, please do not revert or request AFD. Tronno (talk | contribs) 02:24, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps you already know and the following comments will be unneeded, but their were complaints on the origonal FN P90 article about a long media impact section that wasn't needed. Thus, this article was made. Chances are they don't want it cluttering up that article again. Perhaps this will shed some light on the situation, or perhaps I haven't been paying full attention to the discussion and I am simply revealing myself as the stupid noobie I am.
-Somewhat late to this debate but:-
Why is it deemed unimportant the impact this gun had on popular culture? People see it as an impressive weapon, it looks futuristic, I can't see much legitimate reason for deleting it. The weapon had a big impact on pop-culture's view of firearms, that's as much as much worth noting as putting up any pages relating to pop culture.
Also, I'm a Stargate fan, I have the Pilot and Seasons 1-8, I added the section that says 'Standard Firearm in Stargate SG-1 as of season 5 and of Atlantis', after watching both series. The P90 is used first in Stargate SG-1 in episode The First Ones (Season four, episode 8) but only because Colonel O'Neill orders using P90's specifically. Season Four episode Nine, Scorched Earth, SG-1 is equiped with MP5s again. SG-3 is seen with MP5s in the Episode Chain Reaction, an episode which happens mostly on Earth and hence without firearms for the greater part. In Double Jeopardy Other SG-1 carry two MP5s, one pistol and one USAS-12, but SG-1 carries P90s, the switch to P90s seems strange to me, as the first 7 plus two episodes are MP5 and the remainder are P90. I just thought it relevant to mention this as I thought it was Season 5 but it is actually Season 4, Episode 8, so if anyone wants to change it they can understand the logic behind saying S4 when that season opens using MP5s.
- Biscuit Knight 21st May 2006
MIB has been attempting to unilaterally kill this article as of late, citing it as "kruf". I don't entirely disagree with his assertion, but as someone who came to the page to make use of the information, his actions ticked me off. The page definitely needs cleaning, but it fulfills an information need. The rules that should apply to that cleaning, however, are unclear.
There are clearly references to minor scenes in movies or television, or manga, comic books, or anime that can probably be dispenced with. The later are three mediums with which I have no significant familiarity. I would suggest that its likely that these illustrative formats may depic the firearm in a fanciful, exagerated, or otherwise inauthentic way. I think if you're watching a TV show or movie, most of the time you can say with some certainty that a photographed firearm is actually that firearm. In an illustration, however, the image comes from the imagination of an artist, who may depict something that looks like a FN P90, but is really an amalgamation of some sort. I would say that if the illustration is clearly not photorealistic in style, and the text of the work does not specifically designate the weapon as a FN P90, then it isn't a FN P90, and it should go.
--Dwcsite 05:53, 17 September 2006 (UTC)