Talk:Flemish painting
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Seing there exists a Flemish School article and a Primitives one, there should be matter merging. Also, Dutch and Flemish seem sometimes distinct and sometimes mixed (according to the period referred to and/or the sensitivity of some).
The goal of this article is to be encyclopedical :
- 1) I stumble upon a painter and he is flemish. The links refer to "painter" and "flemish" but never both.
- 2) I need to compare flemish painters : what they have in common, social or economical conditions, background, techniques, and in what they differ.
- 3) From a "flemish painting" article, I can go back to - any painter - any museum - any historical data, &c.
...logging ... I didn't see that you could create a talk page being unlogged. There should be links to sites about the subject (painters, museums and so on). --DLL 14:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Out with it.
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If "Flemish painting" does not refer to a particular period or style, I think this article is useless and the information should be incorporated in the other articles. Piet 16:41, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rewrite or delete
In its current revision, this poorly written article adds nothing to already existing articles, as Piet rightly observes. It should be turned into a comprehensive article on the history of Flemish painting from Jan van Eyck to Luc Tuymans, or simply deleted. Karl Stas 10:29, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- After the Eighty Years' War, the Northern Netherlands became an independent republic (see Dutch Golden Age). Anyone in Dutch Golden Age painting does not belong under Flemish painting. From this period, Flanders belongs to the Southern Netherlands. So Rubens belongs here but not Rembrandt. Before the Eighty Years' Wars Flanders was not at all the same territory as the current Belgian region of Flanders, and the word Flemish was/is often used to denote painters who were not Flemish but who came to Flanders during their career. This makes it very difficult to give a meaningful sense to "Flemish painting". Moreover, categorizing people but their place of birth instead of the school they belong to is not very interesting anyway. In my (Flemish) eyes, "Flemish painting" can not be turned into a good article. Luc Tuymans and Jan Van Eyck may both be Flemish, but they were not from the same Flanders. Now that I think about it, the only reasonably thing seems to me to make a disambiguation page. Piet 12:05, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
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- I think it all depends on how broadly you define "Flemish". But I think we both agree that the article, as it currently stands, has no place in a serious encyclopaedia. I'm willing to go along with the disambiguation solution. Karl Stas 15:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Go on. I'm neither a painting, neither a history specialist. What I stated is that you have to get a point - a portal - from where to collect and compare. --DLL 20:58, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Okay, you have a point, there should be an article Flemish painting. But I think it only has to treat Early Renaissance, Renaissance and Baroque. After this Flanders becomes part of Belgium and the painters are no longer referred to as "Flemish" (afaik). List of Belgian painters could be split up with List of Flemish painters. You will find a big gap in the list of Belgian painters, correponding more or less to the 18th century, that's when Flanders reverted to barabarism :-) after the protestant elite fled to Holland and the port of Antwerp was locked by the Dutch. The gap makes it very easy to split the Belgian painters list. The exception is Giuseppe Grisoni but I'm not sure if he can be called a Flemish or Belgian painter. I think he belongs under Italy. Btw. we should have an Art History student here. But I guess we can start without him. There is also a related article Northern Renaissance where I have proposed an article Renaissance in the Low Countries be created. Maybe I should ask for some help from the community. Piet 08:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
