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[edit] Solo album?

Flee is not a "solo album" for Spencer. Michael Fogarty, for example, played a major role. I would suggest some rewording in this regard. --Monger 02:22, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

It's a solo album in the context of Fleetwood Mac, which I would suggest is how everyone looks at the musical career of Jeremy Spencer. Agreed, it's not solo in the true sense of the word, and I added something to the article to that effect. It was The Jeremy Spencer Band after all. I don't know much at all about Fogarty, so I can't really say much about his input or his other work. If anyone knows anything about him, it would be nice to see an article on him. Bretonbanquet 12:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I've edited the article to make it more clear that this was not a solo Spencer album. There is a stub article on Michael Fogarty here (currently very minimal): http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Michael_Fogarty --Monger 00:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Further note... calling it a solo album on the basis that it was released by "The Jeremy Spencer Band" is like calling albums by the band Marilyn Manson solo works. Spencer was playing music with Fogarty and the others who made this CD significantly before they became known as "The Jeremy Spencer Band". --Monger 22:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

So let's hear about it then. If you have information on what Spencer and Fogarty were doing prior to this album, and afterwards as well - put it in somewhere. It's not information that's widely known within the Fleetwood Mac fan community, so we'd be grateful for it. I wasn't even aware that Fogarty was a CoG member. As far as was known generally, this was just one of Spencer's many projects that produced a record. I am no expert on his CoG period, and can't add anything on it really. As I said before, almost everyone wanting to know about Spencer would come via Fleetwood Mac, hence my reference to his work as being 'solo' in the context of Fleetwood Mac. None of his work is solo if you look it at it in the terms you outlined.

Please appreciate that I am writing and editing from a Fleetwood Mac angle. My knowledge of Spencer is almost completely limited to his time with that band, and even then I am more concerned with Green, Kirwan and other members. The period of Spencer's life after Mac is a bit of a blur to us, and we are certainly not familiar with any of the darker side of what was going on. You are clearly more of an expert and I for one would be grateful for any expansion of this article, the "Jeremy Spencer and the Children" article, or the general Spencer article in this regard. Bretonbanquet 12:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Though as a teenager I briefly lived with Fogarty in Japan in the early 2000s, I don't personally know all that much about Spencer or Fogarty's early years with The Family/COG. In January 1990, the cult released an internal publication for teens, written by Spencer, titled "The Wicked World Behind the Scenes of Rock & Roll". In it he recounts some of his history up until that point, including details about the production of this and other albums. It is available here. The article is highly homophobic and antisemitic, among other things. It was one in a series of other "Traumatic Testimonies" released internally by the cult. Note that the article makes extensive use of the group's terminology and jargon. The Children of God lexicon on xFamily.org may be of some use when reading it. --Monger 01:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)